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roger.d  
#21 Posted : Saturday, October 30, 2021 6:36:15 PM(UTC)
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If the vaccine worked then you have nothing to worry about. Many religious beliefs are against the use of aborted babies being injected into them and/or being tested on for this vaccine. In 2017 there was a great article (cited results) on how over 1/3 of all FDA approved vaccines being taken off the market for dangerous effects. If you feel comfortable with only 66% success rate then please get your vaccine that clearly is not working if you are afraid of someone that hasn't received it.


In my opinion, if the vaccine worked, OTHERS have noting to worry about. If you are vaccinated, why are you worrying? But, as been observed, the vaccine has not prevented people from catching or spreading covid19. This "vaccine" is no better than the vaccine for the seasonal flu. It is no where near the vaccine for MMR.

The facts, which "main stream" media is failing to report, is that the average healthy person has little to fear from covid19. If you are elderly and/or other health conditions, you are more susceptible to becoming very ill and/or dyeing from covid19.
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#22 Posted : Monday, November 1, 2021 3:23:48 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: CptKirk Go to Quoted Post
If the vaccine worked then you have nothing to worry about. Many religious beliefs are against the use of aborted babies being injected into them and/or being tested on for this vaccine. In 2017 there was a great article (cited results) on how over 1/3 of all FDA approved vaccines being taken off the market for dangerous effects. If you feel comfortable with only 66% success rate then please get your vaccine that clearly is not working if you are afraid of someone that hasn't received it.


In my opinion, if the vaccine worked, OTHERS have noting to worry about. If you are vaccinated, why are you worrying? But, as been observed, the vaccine has not prevented people from catching or spreading covid19. This "vaccine" is no better than the vaccine for the seasonal flu. It is no where near the vaccine for MMR.

The facts, which "main stream" media is failing to report, is that the average healthy person has little to fear from covid19. If you are elderly and/or other health conditions, you are more susceptible to becoming very ill and/or dyeing from covid19.
Actually, thanks to the extreme levels of anti-vaxxers out there, we have no clue of the overall efficacy compared to MMR, etc as the earlier vaccines had high take-up rates and so slowed transmission and mutations of the diseases they were designed to fight.

You quote an "article of 2017" but fail to provide the publisher, a link or anything to allow others to validate your claim. The vaccine has shown decreased impacts on catching covid for those vaccinated vs those not (pretty much 99+% of deaths right now are from those not vaccinated). And there are those who cannot be vaccinated due to their medical conditions that preclude getting any vaccines.

As for your "healthy person" claim...you may be a considered a healthy person right up until you are not. Jim Fixx, the guru of the jogging craze, died from a heart attack at 52 while running. He was considered healthy...right until he died. And so on for many others. Add in the sheer number of people who do not regularly see a doctor (whether due to cost, ability to get an appointment, etc), and you have a whole lot of people who think they are fine until they discover they aren't (usually when they end up in the ER for something).

So...if you are willing to cull the herd of a large percentage of people to allow for a level of antibodies to be built via getting the disease and overwhelming the hospitals as a result, then the vaccine is the best bet. And, IMO, if it is available, much like active addicts being denied transplants until they stop using (this also applies to smokers waiting for lung transplants), as a vaccine is available, if it is possible to get one, and you refuse, then I believe hospitals should triage you to the bottom of the list vs taking up a spot someone else could use.

But then again, I can be heartless when it comes to those who would happily see society burn to the ground if they think it will keep them in power.

You should have voted Cthulu...the greatest of all Evils
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#23 Posted : Thursday, November 11, 2021 10:28:57 AM(UTC)
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DoD guidelines state you are suspended immediately for 14 days without pay... Illegals coming across the border are treated better than hard working Americans.


Seems a little dramatic to me. 14 days of no pay from one of the few reasonably secure jobs left in America is hardly being treated worse than illegals coming across the border. Drama seldom plays in your favor. You chose not to get a shot, knowing the consequences. Your choice, your consequences, unless you have a wad of money to fight it out in court.
And I mean a WAD of money - like WAY more than a couple weeks without pay.

All that said, I would NEVER resign. The minute you do that, you give up on your own rights. If you stick around and they fire you, get some proof of why if you can. At some point in the future, you MAY have some path to reinstatement or other legal recourse. Frankly, it would surprise me if it ever gets to firing you, assuming you are willing to comply with alternative methods for helping ensure a safe federal workspace, like regular testing, etc.

If you do decide to take your fight to EEOC, I'd stifle the "illegals at the border" at the border talk. I know that to many people, "illegals" are different than legal immigrants, but to many others, it might look like racism. Why open that can of worms when it really has nothing to do with your refusal to get the shots anyway? It's just a personal opinion that you can't prove, and it's immaterial to any legitimate claim or complaint you may have. To an impartial third party, that sort of statement looks needlessly combative, which means it probably won't help you in the long run.

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texasvet54  
#24 Posted : Tuesday, November 16, 2021 7:38:27 PM(UTC)

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NEVER RESIGN!!!!

Do you remember that every time that feds are furloughed, they end up with a nice vacation and then getting Back Pay?

I was an "essential employee" so I didn't get the "vacation with Back Pay" that furloughed employees received.

If you quit and the Supreme Court rules that Brandon's mandate is illegal and they terminate you, you may be reinstated with back pay. Who knows?

But again, I would never, ever resign.

And, God Bless you and I admire you for standing up for your convictions and not getting a shot that may have serious effects, up to and including death.

Please read the CDC Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System website:

https://www.cdc.gov/coro...ource%3Da-app1%26hl%3Den


BTW, I've not had any Covid shot and I'm in my 60's and in good health. I had Covid 12 months ago and I got through it just fine with little problem. I was recently tested for covid antibodies and I still have them.

So much for Saint Fauci continually saying that natural immunity isn't better than a shot.

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#25 Posted : Wednesday, November 17, 2021 6:57:08 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texasvet54 Go to Quoted Post
NEVER RESIGN!!!!

Do you remember that every time that feds are furloughed, they end up with a nice vacation and then getting Back Pay?

I was an "essential employee" so I didn't get the "vacation with Back Pay" that furloughed employees received.

If you quit and the Supreme Court rules that Brandon's mandate is illegal and they terminate you, you may be reinstated with back pay. Who knows?

But again, I would never, ever resign.

And, God Bless you and I admire you for standing up for your convictions and not getting a shot that may have serious effects, up to and including death.

Please read the CDC Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System website:

https://www.cdc.gov/coro...ource%3Da-app1%26hl%3Den


BTW, I've not had any Covid shot and I'm in my 60's and in good health. I had Covid 12 months ago and I got through it just fine with little problem. I was recently tested for covid antibodies and I still have them.

So much for Saint Fauci continually saying that natural immunity isn't better than a shot.

texasvet
Except for the fact that Covid has killed significantly over 600K in the US alone, sure...go catch Covid and hope you survive with no long term effects. Or...get a shot that decreases the chance of catching it, and even if you do, decreases the chance of anything major (like death) occurring.

I mean I survived combat zones with no issue, so obviously (using your logic) they are perfectly safe to be in.

You should have voted Cthulu...the greatest of all Evils
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