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martin123  
#21 Posted : Thursday, May 12, 2022 7:34:53 PM(UTC)
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I guess my main gripe with a 20 year old evaluation is the expectation from management. As soon as political season hits and I'm spending some extra time in the office they pull this bull crap and try to say my evaluated office time is 1 hour 50 minutes so they "don't understand" why I need help. So then I have to play their same game and tell them my evaluated large parcels is 8 and I have 56 today. Like duh I spend half as much time in the office compared to then but make it up on street time delivering packages. So it would be nice to have an updated evaluation.
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#22 Posted : Friday, May 13, 2022 12:47:49 AM(UTC)
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Is this going to result in all routes getting an evaluation? Ours haven't been evaluated in about 20 years.

And maybe I'm not understanding the using scanner data for street evaluations thing, but wouldn't that make it even easier to abuse the system? Just pretend you have a piece of mail for all those time consuming houses, sit at the CBUs for a little longer, etc.


If you read the article at www.Nalc.org , this technique was tested by carriers and had overwhelming favorable results.

It also eliminates the wasteful spending of a manager riding behind you doing a 99, 99’s will be digital now.

Are you really going to pretend you have a piece of paper for 7 random weeks during the year to extend your route?
I think not!


In my years as a CCA I have seen so many games played by carriers you wouldn't believe. I've legit walked with someone who knew where they should be at every minute of the day and ways to lengthen their time if they were ahead. But hey if this new system catches those types and the runners, I'm all for it.

But back to my original question, will every route get evaluated now? The article mentioned something about it being rolled out and each zone will get their routes evaluated by a specific time. Or is this just the new way evaluations are done and my office is just stuck with 20 year old evaluations still?


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#23 Posted : Friday, May 13, 2022 6:17:22 AM(UTC)
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I guess my main gripe with a 20 year old evaluation is the expectation from management. As soon as political season hits and I'm spending some extra time in the office they pull this bull crap and try to say my evaluated office time is 1 hour 50 minutes so they "don't understand" why I need help. So then I have to play their same game and tell them my evaluated large parcels is 8 and I have 56 today. Like duh I spend half as much time in the office compared to then but make it up on street time delivering packages. So it would be nice to have an updated evaluation.


I don't see how a new evaluation would help you with this issue.

Don't argue your estimate. Inform your supervisor to approve nor deny the OT/aux help. If denied, bring the mail back.

After doing that 3-4 times they might change their minds on your estimate.
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#24 Posted : Friday, May 13, 2022 1:31:04 PM(UTC)
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I guess my main gripe with a 20 year old evaluation is the expectation from management. As soon as political season hits and I'm spending some extra time in the office they pull this bull crap and try to say my evaluated office time is 1 hour 50 minutes so they "don't understand" why I need help. So then I have to play their same game and tell them my evaluated large parcels is 8 and I have 56 today. Like duh I spend half as much time in the office compared to then but make it up on street time delivering packages. So it would be nice to have an updated evaluation.


I don't see how a new evaluation would help you with this issue.

Don't argue your estimate. Inform your supervisor to approve nor deny the OT/aux help. If denied, bring the mail back.

After doing that 3-4 times they might change their minds on your estimate.


I mean, yeah, but I still don't see how having an ancient evaluation is acceptable. Everything from the volumes to the walk speed, etc are from a very different era and from the previous regular when they were much younger. It's just an excuse to further bully the CCAs when they can't meet the unrealistic street time of 6 hours 10 minutes. Only at USPS is outdated nonsense like this allowed. I mean I understand the route literally has not changed since DPS became a thing, but would it kill them to do an evaluation every 5 years or so? Or when a new regular takes over?
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#25 Posted : Friday, May 13, 2022 2:38:42 PM(UTC)
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I guess my main gripe with a 20 year old evaluation is the expectation from management. As soon as political season hits and I'm spending some extra time in the office they pull this bull crap and try to say my evaluated office time is 1 hour 50 minutes so they "don't understand" why I need help. So then I have to play their same game and tell them my evaluated large parcels is 8 and I have 56 today. Like duh I spend half as much time in the office compared to then but make it up on street time delivering packages. So it would be nice to have an updated evaluation.


I don't see how a new evaluation would help you with this issue.

Don't argue your estimate. Inform your supervisor to approve nor deny the OT/aux help. If denied, bring the mail back.

After doing that 3-4 times they might change their minds on your estimate.


I mean, yeah, but I still don't see how having an ancient evaluation is acceptable. Everything from the volumes to the walk speed, etc are from a very different era and from the previous regular when they were much younger. It's just an excuse to further bully the CCAs when they can't meet the unrealistic street time of 6 hours 10 minutes. Only at USPS is outdated nonsense like this allowed. I mean I understand the route literally has not changed since DPS became a thing, but would it kill them to do an evaluation every 5 years or so? Or when a new regular takes over?


Let's be honest, is the route an 8 hour day, on a normal volume day, for the average carrier?

If it is, it doesn't need an inspection.

CCA should not be held to the same standard as the FTR for the route. If they are being bullied, that is extremely unfortunate.

To avoid the bulling, coach them to say they will be done in 8. Then, send a message on the scanner at 1 or 2PM that they need "x" additional time. When management calls them, do not answer the phone. Make all communication on the scanner.

It's time to show your management who runs the show in your office.


I bid an overburdened route. I was nice for a while. Then became progressively obtuse. Until I had a 271g. After the adjustment was made, I give a little when I have it. Management now thanks me for my hard work. Which is the same work as when I took the route over.

Dick management over when they are being a dick.

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#26 Posted : Friday, May 13, 2022 8:58:31 PM(UTC)
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We already have gps tracker creating a map each day. Actually this only raises serious questions. For example, Thursday in I had four large parcels. I loaded my truck and placed the four large parcels on top of everything and drove them off first. A 99 would know that but the computer will not. How do we handle that.
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#27 Posted : Saturday, May 14, 2022 3:53:51 AM(UTC)
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We already have gps tracker creating a map each day. Actually this only raises serious questions. For example, Thursday in I had four large parcels. I loaded my truck and placed the four large parcels on top of everything and drove them off first. A 99 would know that but the computer will not. How do we handle that.


I know a couple of carriers that make daily notes.

ETA. This includes DPS,parcel numbers and any abnormal happenings.

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#28 Posted : Saturday, May 14, 2022 5:32:05 AM(UTC)
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We already have gps tracker creating a map each day. Actually this only raises serious questions. For example, Thursday in I had four large parcels. I loaded my truck and placed the four large parcels on top of everything and drove them off first. A 99 would know that but the computer will not. How do we handle that.


I have been told by my local president that the computer (or real people looking at your GPS) does account for this correctly
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#29 Posted : Saturday, May 14, 2022 5:52:09 AM(UTC)

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One problem is that we have a couple of routes with poor cell coverage so they are always asking why samples are not being scanned when the awnser comes back that the scanner was not talking to the GPS and thus didn't alert anyone to scan that letters at that address.
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#30 Posted : Sunday, May 15, 2022 4:50:04 AM(UTC)
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Let's be honest, is the route an 8 hour day, on a normal volume day, for the average carrier?

If it is, it doesn't need an inspection.

CCA should not be held to the same standard as the FTR for the route. If they are being bullied, that is extremely unfortunate.

To avoid the bulling, coach them to say they will be done in 8. Then, send a message on the scanner at 1 or 2PM that they need "x" additional time. When management calls them, do not answer the phone. Make all communication on the scanner.

It's time to show your management who runs the show in your office.


I bid an overburdened route. I was nice for a while. Then became progressively obtuse. Until I had a 271g. After the adjustment was made, I give a little when I have it. Management now thanks me for my hard work. Which is the same work as when I took the route over.

Dick management over when they are being a dick.


Trust me, I have learned the art of dicking management over when they are being intentionally dumb, and they still haven't learned sometimes. I have no problem doing that. Being a brand new CCA who is just trying to keep their job and please management despite us telling them to work at a normal pace and they can't be held to the same standard as the regular? Not so easy.

As far as my route is concerned, I honestly would not say it's an 8 hour route for the average carrier on a normal volume day. I feel like I work at a normal pace and I don't run or skip breaks, but judging by the size of other routes I've done over the years in other offices and seeing countless CCAs doing my route, I'd honestly say my route is about an hour over for the average carrier. Should I have to slow down and work dishonestly to accommodate the average carrier?

So I guess my point is CCAs are just trying to survive and they don't understand all this stuff. They are trying to listen to their boss instead of 10 opinions from 10 different carriers, and even though 7 hours Street time is still not quite enough for the average carrier on my route, it's a way more realistic goal than 6 hours 10 minutes. So I hope with this new technology it should be easy to get new evaluations on routes that haven't had one in forever.
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#31 Posted : Sunday, May 15, 2022 6:05:23 AM(UTC)
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Let's be honest, is the route an 8 hour day, on a normal volume day, for the average carrier?

If it is, it doesn't need an inspection.

CCA should not be held to the same standard as the FTR for the route. If they are being bullied, that is extremely unfortunate.

To avoid the bulling, coach them to say they will be done in 8. Then, send a message on the scanner at 1 or 2PM that they need "x" additional time. When management calls them, do not answer the phone. Make all communication on the scanner.

It's time to show your management who runs the show in your office.


I bid an overburdened route. I was nice for a while. Then became progressively obtuse. Until I had a 271g. After the adjustment was made, I give a little when I have it. Management now thanks me for my hard work. Which is the same work as when I took the route over.

Dick management over when they are being a dick.


Trust me, I have learned the art of dicking management over when they are being intentionally dumb, and they still haven't learned sometimes. I have no problem doing that. Being a brand new CCA who is just trying to keep their job and please management despite us telling them to work at a normal pace and they can't be held to the same standard as the regular? Not so easy.

As far as my route is concerned, I honestly would not say it's an 8 hour route for the average carrier on a normal volume day. I feel like I work at a normal pace and I don't run or skip breaks, but judging by the size of other routes I've done over the years in other offices and seeing countless CCAs doing my route, I'd honestly say my route is about an hour over for the average carrier. Should I have to slow down and work dishonestly to accommodate the average carrier?

So I guess my point is CCAs are just trying to survive and they don't understand all this stuff. They are trying to listen to their boss instead of 10 opinions from 10 different carriers, and even though 7 hours Street time is still not quite enough for the average carrier on my route, it's a way more realistic goal than 6 hours 10 minutes. So I hope with this new technology it should be easy to get new evaluations on routes that haven't had one in forever.


Am I reading correctly, your route is an 8 hour day, on average, for you?

IF so, no one can be held to that standard. Even your T6.

And when you have full coverage/political mail, you can only do what you can do. In the time that it takes to do it. Having a new route evaluation will not change a thing.
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#32 Posted : Sunday, May 15, 2022 7:02:41 PM(UTC)
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Am I reading correctly, your route is an 8 hour day, on average, for you?

IF so, no one can be held to that standard. Even your T6.

And when you have full coverage/political mail, you can only do what you can do. In the time that it takes to do it. Having a new route evaluation will not change a thing.


I think at this point we simply have differing opinions. I can't stand things being disorganized, outdated, or just plain wrong. Heck my case labels are almost 2 years old and even though they are more than sufficient for anyone to case the route, having a few business names wrong and a couple new addresses being written in bugs me (and yes, it's as simple as management ordering new ones and I've about given up on that happening since I've pestered them for a year). Maybe I should wait til political season where I'm sure to be over half an hour or more 3 days a week for 6 consecutive weeks and request a route inspection just to have an updated evaluation.
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#33 Posted : Sunday, May 15, 2022 7:46:25 PM(UTC)

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Am I reading correctly, your route is an 8 hour day, on average, for you?

IF so, no one can be held to that standard. Even your T6.

And when you have full coverage/political mail, you can only do what you can do. In the time that it takes to do it. Having a new route evaluation will not change a thing.


I think at this point we simply have differing opinions. I can't stand things being disorganized, outdated, or just plain wrong. Heck my case labels are almost 2 years old and even though they are more than sufficient for anyone to case the route, having a few business names wrong and a couple new addresses being written in bugs me (and yes, it's as simple as management ordering new ones and I've about given up on that happening since I've pestered them for a year). Maybe I should wait til political season where I'm sure to be over half an hour or more 3 days a week for 6 consecutive weeks and request a route inspection just to have an updated evaluation.

Management's responsibility is to give you time to complete your edit book and put up the labels when they return from AMS. Not to do it for you.
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#34 Posted : Monday, May 16, 2022 3:46:33 AM(UTC)
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Am I reading correctly, your route is an 8 hour day, on average, for you?

IF so, no one can be held to that standard. Even your T6.

And when you have full coverage/political mail, you can only do what you can do. In the time that it takes to do it. Having a new route evaluation will not change a thing.


I think at this point we simply have differing opinions. I can't stand things being disorganized, outdated, or just plain wrong. Heck my case labels are almost 2 years old and even though they are more than sufficient for anyone to case the route, having a few business names wrong and a couple new addresses being written in bugs me (and yes, it's as simple as management ordering new ones and I've about given up on that happening since I've pestered them for a year). Maybe I should wait til political season where I'm sure to be over half an hour or more 3 days a week for 6 consecutive weeks and request a route inspection just to have an updated evaluation.

Management's responsibility is to give you time to complete your edit book and put up the labels when they return from AMS. Not to do it for you.


Did I say anything about management doing it for me? I said it's their responsibility to order the labels. I can't put up new labels if I don't have them. I also submitted changes to my edit book back in January and they returned it to me a few weeks ago without making a single change. So I updated it again and still have not gotten a new edit sheet or case labels. At some point you just give up pestering them daily.
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#35 Posted : Monday, May 16, 2022 6:55:02 AM(UTC)
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Am I reading correctly, your route is an 8 hour day, on average, for you?

IF so, no one can be held to that standard. Even your T6.

And when you have full coverage/political mail, you can only do what you can do. In the time that it takes to do it. Having a new route evaluation will not change a thing.


I think at this point we simply have differing opinions. I can't stand things being disorganized, outdated, or just plain wrong. Heck my case labels are almost 2 years old and even though they are more than sufficient for anyone to case the route, having a few business names wrong and a couple new addresses being written in bugs me (and yes, it's as simple as management ordering new ones and I've about given up on that happening since I've pestered them for a year). Maybe I should wait til political season where I'm sure to be over half an hour or more 3 days a week for 6 consecutive weeks and request a route inspection just to have an updated evaluation.

Management's responsibility is to give you time to complete your edit book and put up the labels when they return from AMS. Not to do it for you.


Did I say anything about management doing it for me? I said it's their responsibility to order the labels. I can't put up new labels if I don't have them. I also submitted changes to my edit book back in January and they returned it to me a few weeks ago without making a single change. So I updated it again and still have not gotten a new edit sheet or case labels. At some point you just give up pestering them daily.


It would be helpful if you told us what was wrong all at once. Instead of a little here and a little there. Them some more later.


Old labels are not a deficiency. If the line of travel is is correct.

Hand written items I believe is not acceptable per the manual. M31 or m41.

IMO, there is no need for names on the labels. But that's me.

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If you don't have a steward, speak with your NBA. Ask to have a steward from another office call you to help you get things corrected.
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