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boothman  
#1 Posted : Thursday, June 30, 2022 7:38:25 PM(UTC)
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We have some regular city carriers not on the OT list and one that is WAL. But all 3 work OT on their route only. When I mentioned it the ones not on list at all say what is mgt. going to do as they are short staffed. Am I missing something or shouldn't those 2 not get any OT and be cut off after 8 hrs. Shouldn't others on the list have to max out if these 2 work any OT? They're playing both sides it seems.
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#2 Posted : Friday, July 1, 2022 4:51:11 AM(UTC)

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The non ODL carriers can work OT on their own route if it keeps the ODL carriers from going into penalty OT.
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#3 Posted : Friday, July 1, 2022 6:14:33 PM(UTC)
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OP...Read The letter carrier paragraph in the JCAM
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#4 Posted : Friday, July 1, 2022 6:15:40 PM(UTC)
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If the FTRs are on Work Assignment they can work OT on their own route. Where did you get the idea that you are entitled to the OT of a W/A carrier?

If they are on the 8 Hour only list, then yes, the odl or ccas are supposed to work any overtime on that route.

Its as simple as that
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#5 Posted : Saturday, July 2, 2022 3:38:11 AM(UTC)

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Originally Posted by: NewYorker Go to Quoted Post
If the FTRs are on Work Assignment they can work OT on their own route. Where did you get the idea that you are entitled to the OT of a W/A carrier?

If they are on the 8 Hour only list, then yes, the odl or ccas are supposed to work any overtime on that route.

Its as simple as that


It's not as simple as that, as I posted if it keeps the ODL carriers from going into penalty OT the non ODL carriers can work the OT.
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#6 Posted : Saturday, July 2, 2022 6:33:06 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: HoosierDaddy Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: NewYorker Go to Quoted Post
If the FTRs are on Work Assignment they can work OT on their own route. Where did you get the idea that you are entitled to the OT of a W/A carrier?

If they are on the 8 Hour only list, then yes, the odl or ccas are supposed to work any overtime on that route.

Its as simple as that


It's not as simple as that, as I posted if it keeps the ODL carriers from going into penalty OT the non ODL carriers can work the OT.


Actually it is as simple as that. It doesn't matter if it's OT or Penalty OT. Any regular on the Work assignment list is entitled to the OT on their own route over every other carrier with 2 exceptions

1. In some offices the T6 of that route is entitled to that OT based on local and/or past practice.
2. Any full time regular carrier that needs works to get 8 hours

Unless it's someone's 5th consecutive day of OT, or there is SL/AL being used, I haven't seen management take time off a work assignment carrier in over 12 years I've been at the post office.
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#7 Posted : Saturday, July 2, 2022 6:39:06 AM(UTC)
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The steward should be requesting the clock rings for the OTDL and CCAs to see if they were near 10 hours. And where they were physically to see if it meets the "carrier paragraph" clause in the contract.

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#8 Posted : Saturday, July 2, 2022 6:59:54 AM(UTC)
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The non ODL carriers can work OT on their own route if it keeps the ODL carriers from going into penalty OT.


What about the CCA and ptf? Have they reached the 10 hours? I thought you are the genius on Article 8.
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#9 Posted : Saturday, July 2, 2022 8:05:21 AM(UTC)

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Originally Posted by: Clutch Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: HoosierDaddy Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: NewYorker Go to Quoted Post
If the FTRs are on Work Assignment they can work OT on their own route. Where did you get the idea that you are entitled to the OT of a W/A carrier?

If they are on the 8 Hour only list, then yes, the odl or ccas are supposed to work any overtime on that route.

Its as simple as that


It's not as simple as that, as I posted if it keeps the ODL carriers from going into penalty OT the non ODL carriers can work the OT.


Actually it is as simple as that. It doesn't matter if it's OT or Penalty OT. Any regular on the Work assignment list is entitled to the OT on their own route over every other carrier with 2 exceptions

1. In some offices the T6 of that route is entitled to that OT based on local and/or past practice.
2. Any full time regular carrier that needs works to get 8 hours

Unless it's someone's 5th consecutive day of OT, or there is SL/AL being used, I haven't seen management take time off a work assignment carrier in over 12 years I've been at the post office.


NewYorker posted "If they are on the 8 Hour only list, then yes, the odl or ccas are supposed to work any overtime on that route."

That is incorrect, so it is not as simple as that.

As Just Rob suggested to the OP Read The letter carrier paragraph in the JCAM if you don't know the answer.
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#10 Posted : Saturday, July 2, 2022 8:11:42 AM(UTC)

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Originally Posted by: HoosierDaddy Go to Quoted Post
The non ODL carriers can work OT on their own route if it keeps the ODL carriers from going into penalty OT.


What about the CCA and ptf? Have they reached the 10 hours? I thought you are the genius on Article 8.


No one asked about the CCA's and PTF's.

Maybe you should follow Just Rods advice.

You might actually learn something.
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#11 Posted : Saturday, July 2, 2022 1:23:12 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NewYorker Go to Quoted Post
If the FTRs are on Work Assignment they can work OT on their own route. Where did you get the idea that you are entitled to the OT of a W/A carrier?

If they are on the 8 Hour only list, then yes, the odl or ccas are supposed to work any overtime on that route.

Its as simple as that


READ what I wrote. I said the ones NOT ON OT LIST AT ALL which means NOT on WAL. THAT'S where I get the idea.
It's as simple as that.

Just Cause  
#12 Posted : Saturday, July 2, 2022 3:22:20 PM(UTC)
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Implementing Memorandum on Letter Carrier Paragraph. A
memorandum of understanding signed December 20, 1988 (M-00884)
further explained the requirement to seek to use auxiliary
before requiring letter carriers not on the ODL or Work Assignment List
to work overtime on their own route on a regularly scheduled day.
CCAs are considered as auxiliary assistance. Accordingly, management
must seek to use CCAs at either the straight-time or regular
overtime rate prior to requiring letter carriers not on the ODL or Work
Assignment List to work overtime on their own route on a regularly
scheduled day.
Management must seek to use all of the following to provide auxiliary
assistance:
• PTFs at the straight-time or regular overtime rate
• CCAs at the straight-time or regular overtime rate
• available full-time regular employees such as unassigned or reserve
regulars at the straight-time rate
• full-time carriers from the ODL at the regular overtime rate


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#13 Posted : Saturday, July 2, 2022 3:26:31 PM(UTC)
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There is an exception that managements still have the rights to mandatory overtime.

However, the memo states that management does not have to use ODL
carriers to provide auxiliary assistance if such an assignment would
mean that the ODL carriers would be working penalty overtime. In that
limited situation—if no auxiliary assistance is available without going
into penalty overtime—management can require full-time regular carriers
not on the ODL to work overtime on their own routes on a regularly
scheduled day. Remember that this limited exception applies only when
a full-time non-ODL letter carrier is required to work overtime on his/
her own assignment on a regularly scheduled day.
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#14 Posted : Saturday, July 2, 2022 3:28:16 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Just Cause Go to Quoted Post
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The non ODL carriers can work OT on their own route if it keeps the ODL carriers from going into penalty OT.


What about the CCA and ptf? Have they reached the 10 hours? I thought you are the genius on Article 8.


No one asked about the CCA's and PTF's.

Maybe you should follow Just Rods advice.

You might actually learn something.


No one asked about ODL's.
Maybe you should follow Just Rods advice.
You might actually learn something.
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#15 Posted : Saturday, July 2, 2022 4:05:24 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: boothman Go to Quoted Post
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If the FTRs are on Work Assignment they can work OT on their own route. Where did you get the idea that you are entitled to the OT of a W/A carrier?

If they are on the 8 Hour only list, then yes, the odl or ccas are supposed to work any overtime on that route.

Its as simple as that


READ what I wrote. I said the ones NOT ON OT LIST AT ALL which means NOT on WAL. THAT'S where I get the idea.
It's as simple as that.



so these carriers are on the 8hr list then? are the OT carriers all working at least 10 hrs?
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#16 Posted : Saturday, July 2, 2022 4:38:43 PM(UTC)
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No one asked about ODL's.
Maybe you should follow Just Rods advice.
You might actually learn something.
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Just Cause  
#17 Posted : Saturday, July 2, 2022 5:54:55 PM(UTC)
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#18 Posted : Saturday, July 2, 2022 8:01:22 PM(UTC)
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#19 Posted : Sunday, July 3, 2022 5:47:48 AM(UTC)

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