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Barry OToole  
#1 Posted : Saturday, May 22, 2010 10:51:08 PM(UTC)
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I just completed the airport assessment and was told I would need a copy of my Naturalization Certificate. Since I was Naturalized in or around 1954, I have no idea where this form is or if I ever had a copy of it.
 
In doing some web searching, it would seem like the records are in the Federal Court Archives in Nebraska but the cost is $380 (ironicaly paid to DHS) and the wait time is 6 months. Since this is way over the 21 days I have, does anyone know where else this number or the copy of the certificate may be obtained from?
 
I have a US Passport, I spent 7 years in the military with a secret clearance and have a birth certificate issued by the State of Ohio, apparently after I was naturalized, but I don't have any reference to the actual naturaliztion process paperwork.
 
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
Thanks
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#2 Posted : Saturday, May 22, 2010 11:48:59 PM(UTC)

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How do you have a birth certificate issued by the state of Ohio when you are a naturalized citizen?  Where were you born?
Barry OToole  
#3 Posted : Sunday, May 23, 2010 12:44:36 AM(UTC)
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Apparently, once my adoption from Ireland was completed, the policy of the State of Ohio at that time was to issue a new birth certificate under my new name. It shows my correct Irish birthdate and lists Ireland as my place of birth. I know it sounds odd to me also.
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Ok I see, yeah that sounds kind of odd Ohio would do that.  Unfortunately, you will probably need to file form N-565 with USCIS for $380.  Your file is probably buried somewhere at the National Records Center in Missouri.  And it would be very helpful if you knew what your alien registration number was because they may have a hard time finding the records without it.
I really don't understand why they're asking for it when you already have a b/c and passport.
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#5 Posted : Sunday, May 23, 2010 2:26:46 AM(UTC)

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I would ask if a passport would suffice- when I worked for the VA we always accepted that as a substitute for a naturalization certificate.
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#6 Posted : Sunday, May 23, 2010 2:28:12 AM(UTC)

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Hudson51

What you are saying does not make any sense at all, or maybe you just don't have all the info.  Your US Passport is just as good as your NC.  Nevertheless, to replace your Certificate, go here:

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=a910cac09aa5d010VgnVCM10000048f3d6a1RCRD&vgnextchannel=db029c7755cb9010VgnVCM10000045f3d6a1RCRD

I have friends who were Naturalized and presented their US passport and was NEVER required to present the Certificate also.  Something in your situation just does not compute!

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#7 Posted : Sunday, May 23, 2010 2:34:51 AM(UTC)

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There is also a link on that page on expedition:
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=16a6b1be1ce85210VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=db029c7755cb9010VgnVCM10000045f3d6a1RCRD

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#8 Posted : Sunday, May 23, 2010 6:59:46 AM(UTC)

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WolfPack wrote:
Hudson51

What you are saying does not make any sense at all, or maybe you just don't have all the info.  Your US Passport is just as good as your NC.  Nevertheless, to replace your Certificate, go here:

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=a910cac09aa5d010VgnVCM10000048f3d6a1RCRD&vgnextchannel=db029c7755cb9010VgnVCM10000045f3d6a1RCRD

I have friends who were Naturalized and presented their US passport and was NEVER required to present the Certificate also.  Something in your situation just does not compute!
 
Perhap but they still want his NC.  I provided a copy of my passport and my NC when I got hired.  I wasn't going to stand there and argue with HR on what they want/need, that's how people get a bad start and burn bridges.
 
Just give them what they want.
Barry OToole  
#9 Posted : Sunday, May 23, 2010 7:15:42 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for all the guidance. What I said is the case and since both of my adoptive parents are long since gone, I have no way to find out why it is the way it is. I guess I'll just have to bite the bullet on this and send them the $380 and get it epedited. Hopefully it will get here before the 21 days runs out.
 
Thanks again.Big smile
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Some people are not naturalized if they derive US citizenship from their parents, adoptive or biological.   So they would not even have a certificate of naturalization.  A US passport should be all you need as proof of citizenship. This shouldn't be the first time HR has dealt with this.  I would explain it to them and see if they insist that you need to go through this expensive process which may not even have a certificate as an end result.
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Barry OToole  
#11 Posted : Sunday, May 23, 2010 1:20:22 PM(UTC)
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I just sent HR an e-mail and laid everything out for them. I'll post their response.
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#12 Posted : Sunday, May 23, 2010 6:39:48 PM(UTC)

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I think Hudson51 is on to something.  I believe that due to Hudson51 obtaining citizenship by derivation (due to adoption as a minor), the form he should request is a Certificate of Citizenship, not a Certificate of Naturalization.  Since a tight time deadline is involved, assistance from the offices of his senators and representative is called for at this time.
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CASDGuy  
#13 Posted : Monday, May 24, 2010 8:49:25 AM(UTC)

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You guys are too quick with contacting senators etc.......
 
All you gotta do is contact CIS and they will assist you.  I contact them for assistance and received immediate response with the information I needed. 
 
You are only suppose to contact your senators etc.... if you are having problems with the agencies.
buckeyeguy2010  
#14 Posted : Wednesday, May 26, 2010 6:33:06 PM(UTC)

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CASDGuy: I only suggested use of Congressional assistance because Hudson51 was facing a time deadline.  Glad to hear that CIS is good at responding quickly to requests for assistance.  If that is true, then CIS is about the only part of Homeland Security, besides USCG, that I have heard about that is able to respond quickly to requests for assistance.
(NOTE: From what I recall, the old INS (CIS has assumed only part of the functions previously performed by INS), was NOT good at responding quickly to requests for assistance.)
 
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Marilyn  
#15 Posted : Sunday, June 27, 2010 12:27:30 AM(UTC)
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It is possible and very probable that your family submitted proof of your "derived" citizenhip to Dept of State to obtain your US Passport when you were adopted in Ohio.    "Legacy" INS would not know of your status unless form N-600 was ever submitted in order for the INS to be fully aware of your status.  A "citizenship certificate",,,,not a "naturalized certificate" would have been issued by INS (or now  USCIS) if the N-600 was ever submitted.  Derived citizenship is something that just "happens" to an individual when an event happens. In this case, you probably automatically became a US citizen at the adoption, but other things would have also have had to happen i.e. you were already a resident alien, etc...you were adopted by age 16, your parents were US citizens before you turned 18, but that is probably what happened.  The additional step to get you an official certificate was probably never submitted because the public does not always realize that Dept. of State and Dept of Justice (now DHS) computer data systems does not alert the other agency that a passport or a citizenship certificate was issued.  The individual has to know to take the additional steps. This happens very often.  In a nutshell, don't be surprised when you request a copy of your citizenship certificate just to be told that one was never initially issued. 
Barry OToole  
#16 Posted : Sunday, June 27, 2010 6:36:36 AM(UTC)
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Long story ending shortened, I got a copy of the original court petition and it had the numbers I needed written on it. It cost me $7.25 and I got it in 4 days from the National Archives in Omaha. Thanks to all for the helpful advice and suggestions.Big smile
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