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bearlakeguy  
#21 Posted : Wednesday, January 25, 2012 8:47:39 PM(UTC)

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Searching,

Thank you for your concern.

It appears I should have been offered a choice of retirement systems over 10 years ago, either CSRS which would have been CSRS Offset, or FERS with a CSRS component.  This is my understanding based on what has happened so far and the FERCCA stuff I have read.  I have not been told anything yet, even when I ask.

Complicated?  It appears.  It looks like my personnel, payroll and TSP records will all have to be audited.  I will likely owe money no matter which way I choose once offered.  I would have to pay matching TSP back if I choose CSRS, I think, could be as much as $30,000.  But to buy my CSRS time and make it a part of my overall service time would likely cost another $26,000.  The last figure is what OPM told me.  The TSP figure is my own guess work.  However, there is no official notification on anything yet.

I've read internet horror stories where best case scenarios take months to sort out.  Worse case scenarios where the retiring agency goes hostile towards the retiree, drags it's feet, lies about records, etc.  The good news is the local personnel office that retired me will not be handling my case.  It was sent to my agencies Washington DC level office where I trust there is more competence.

What bothers me is over the past 10 years I accumulated records where I came right out and formally asked what retirement system I should be in, records where my service time was computed and certified, and records where I got retirement estimates.  All of these records provided my agency with the opportunity to discover I was in the wrong retirement system and correct it as early as 10 years ago.  And it wasn't the same cretin that overlooked this each time, it was a series of them.  The person that did my retirement work admitted when she computed my retirement time she just looked at what the previous person did. 

I could have been saved thousands of dollars in interest and payback money if my agency had discovered this when the OPM mandated records review and corrections years ago.

Thanks for giving me an opportunity to vent.


Rich Nocis  
#22 Posted : Wednesday, January 25, 2012 11:20:28 PM(UTC)
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Rich Nocis  
#23 Posted : Wednesday, January 25, 2012 11:22:36 PM(UTC)
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1) Date of retirement: 12/31/2011
2) Weeks to receive A/L: 2
3) Weeks to receive Buyout $ if applicable: 3 half of $25K after tax $7.8K
4) Weeks to receive interem and %%% of pay: Pending
5) Months to complete: Pending.  Currently @ 1 month and no movement from OPM
6) OPM processing by D.C. or Boyers, PA:?
7) FERS or CSRS:  FERS


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#24 Posted : Thursday, January 26, 2012 12:45:15 AM(UTC)

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**** Updated to include months to finalize ****

1) Date of retirement: 11/3/2011

2) Weeks to receive A/L: just slightly less than 6 weeks (12/13/11)

3) Weeks to receive Buyout $ if applicable: N/A

4) Weeks to receive interem and %%% of pay: just slightly less than 6 weeks (12/13/11)   (82%)

5) Months to complete: Jan 31--89 days-- just under 3 months

6) OPM processing by D.C. or Boyers, PA: Unknown

7) FERS or CSRS: CSRS DC22012-02-08 07:25:45
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#25 Posted : Thursday, January 26, 2012 1:21:34 AM(UTC)

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bearlakeguy, what a nightmare. You must be so frustrated. I wish you luck.
Don't you wish we could charge OPM interest on the money they take so long paying us when the process stalls?
bearlakeguy  
#26 Posted : Thursday, January 26, 2012 1:42:36 AM(UTC)

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Searching, thanks for your good wishes.

Regarding interest.  When I first discovered I fit into FERCCA, I read as much as I could about it.  I did not study it in detail, and my recollection may not be correct, but I think I can ask OPM for a waiver of some of the interest.  I think with the evidence of my past efforts described above, I can give a compelling argument that the last several years worth of interest should be waived.  It also appears that if my retiring agency shows deceit or ineptness and I have to hire a lawyer, that will also be paid for.

The next move is up to the retiring agency.  Once they make offers I will study in detail FERCCA and compare what they say to the rules, then pepper them with questions.   If they drag their feet, I will see if one of my congress critters can be motivated into helping out.  If they get hostile, I will complain to both a congressman and OPM, if that fails then it's lawyer time.  Due to the tens of thousands of dollars at stake here, it's worth hiring a lawyer, even if I wind up footing the bill.


Eric Griffin  
#27 Posted : Thursday, January 26, 2012 2:31:19 AM(UTC)
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My wife applied for FERS retirement in early Nov 2010 with a requested retirement date of 31 Jan 2011.  She had not worked for the US Gov for five years.  Her old agency, DoDEA, would not help and said her packet should be mailed directly to OPM which she did.  She rec'd a CSA number in Feb 2011 and nothing positive since then...including no interim pay.  The last three email queries have been answered with,"...your file has been transferred to another division", with no amplifying information.  Ideally she would like to start receiving retirement checks.  Barring that, she would like to know an accurate status of her application.  What recourse does she have?
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#28 Posted : Thursday, January 26, 2012 3:34:20 AM(UTC)
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Griff wrote:
My wife applied for FERS retirement in early Nov 2010 with a requested retirement date of 31 Jan 2011.  She had not worked for the US Gov for five years.  Her old agency, DoDEA, would not help and said her packet should be mailed directly to OPM which she did.  She rec'd a CSA number in Feb 2011 and nothing positive since then...including no interim pay.  The last three email queries have been answered with,"...your file has been transferred to another division", with no amplifying information.  Ideally she would like to start receiving retirement checks.  Barring that, she would like to know an accurate status of her application.  What recourse does she have?


Based on the below link to the Stars and Stripes, you may try contacting the DoD Inspector General.

http://www.stripes.com/military-life/education/dod-to-launch-new-investigations-into-abuses-of-power-in-dodea-1.158618
bearlakeguy  
#29 Posted : Thursday, January 26, 2012 3:34:22 AM(UTC)

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Griff,

Regarding the correspondence and waiting, how you have been treated has similarities to my situation.

You will only know for sure when the OPM starts to properly communicate.

I also got the email stating my file had been sent to another division.  With me, my case started in Boyers, PA.  I presume that's where your wife's file was sent first.  Once the error was discovered, I got that same email.  The difference is someone from that "other division" contacted me and informed me they were doing records searches.  That other division is located in Wash DC.  Several weeks after that I was contacted again with some details, just enough to really confuse me.
Now this may give some insight as to what might be going on, but like I said, you have to wait for the OPM to give facts.

Keep on the OPM, keep filing inquiries with them.  In your next inquiry, specifically ask for contact information pertaining to that other department.  It's likely been assigned to a specific person who has his own phone number and a direct email address.  Specifically ask for that information.  If they do not give it, I suggest contacting a member of your congressional delegation.

There's just no excuse for keeping someone in the dark that long.


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#30 Posted : Thursday, January 26, 2012 8:37:02 AM(UTC)

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Griff, Have you folks tried calling the OPM toll free retirement line 1-888-767-6738 ? Of course from Hawaii you have a 6 hour time difference to the east coast and would need to party on until 1:30 am to reach them when they open at 7:30 eastern. Nevertheless, the Service Reps can be pushed to tell her if her file has been assigned to someone for processing, the name of the person and their phone number, and what office (Division and Branch) they work in. If there is a processor handling that file you could also ask for the name of the processor's supervisor and their phone number. 

I agree with Bearlakeguy's post. There is a long, sad history which you can find on this website and its various threads about how futile it is to try and contact the processor by phone, or rely on promises of the Service Reps to escalate your case. But with those names you may be able to start e-mailing agency higher ups to get some action. My file was stuck on a pile in DC for 6 months last year until my Congressman's inquiry got it assigned to someone--so try your Congressman or Senator if there is no response to your call or e-mails. Another possibility, which I did not try, but which was publicized in the papers here as another way to get action is to send an e-mail to ombudsman@opm.gov   Good luck.

Eric Griffin  
#31 Posted : Thursday, January 26, 2012 9:21:56 AM(UTC)
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Tiger, thanks for the note.  Yes, we've tried calling - futile.  I like the tip about the ombudsman, thank you.  As my wife goes through this, I'm taking copious notes.  I'm scheduled to retire 31 Dec this year.Smile

getting close  
#32 Posted : Thursday, January 26, 2012 9:43:06 AM(UTC)

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I posted this elsewhere but it may be of interest here.

Inspired by Raoul, I waded through the 40 (yikes, 40!) pages of the May 31/June 1-3 Retirees thread. Results were:

Retired May 31 -- KlangKunst (status unknown; only one post); Leon44 (status unknown; last post Oct. 30); bulletinboard (status unknown but OPM supposedly working on finalization on Nov. 22)

Retired June 1 -- ridgerunner (finalized Oct. 26)

Retired June 3 -- getting close (finalized November 23); PJohnson (finalized Sept. 26); bbcinc (finalized on or about Oct. 5); Audrey (received blue book on Nov. 1 so likely finalized in late Oct.)

So it seems it's mostly in the 5-6 month range.     

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#33 Posted : Thursday, January 26, 2012 9:39:05 PM(UTC)

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Add one more. whome4836 also retired on June 3, and he received his bluebook yesterday.
Lynn Sadowski  
#34 Posted : Friday, January 27, 2012 12:50:44 AM(UTC)
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I have been retired since March 31, 2011and I am still on interim. I spoke with a rep this morning (I got up extra early to make the call) and was told that I should be finalized within the next couple of weeks. I am not holding my breath.
beveej  
#35 Posted : Friday, January 27, 2012 1:52:33 AM(UTC)

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1) Date of retirement: 01-02-2012
2) Weeks to receive A/L: 2 (included on last paycheck)
3) Weeks to receive Buyout $ if applicable: N/A
4) Weeks to receive interim and %%% of pay: 1st interim scheduled for Feb 1st at about 80% of expected net.
5) Months to complete: Pending
6) OPM processing by D.C. or Boyers, PA: Boyers
7) FERS or CSRS: CSRS

So far so good Smile
Cheeseman  
#36 Posted : Saturday, January 28, 2012 1:54:49 AM(UTC)
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1) Date of retirement:  12/31/2011
2) Weeks to receive A/L:  3  (01/23/12)
3) Weeks to receive Buyout $ if applicable:  N/A
4) Weeks to receive interem and %%% of pay:  Received CSA # on 01/27/12 letter dated  01/20/12; waiting for first interim payment
5) Months to complete:  Pending
6) OPM processing by D.C. or Boyers, PA:  Boyers
7) FERS or CSRS  FERS



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pax2all  
#37 Posted : Saturday, January 28, 2012 2:56:58 AM(UTC)

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1) Date of retirement:  9/30/2011
2) Weeks to receive A/L:  6  (11/14/11)
3) Weeks to receive Buyout $ if applicable: N/A
4) Weeks to receive interem and %%% of pay:  4 weeks (11/1/11)  Received CSA # on 10/27/11
5) Months to complete: Pending
6) OPM processing by D.C. or Boyers, PA:  Do not know as received CSA # from Boyers, password from Macon, GA
7) FERS or CSRS  CSRS
Spartaned  
#38 Posted : Saturday, January 28, 2012 5:17:03 AM(UTC)

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1) Date of retirement:  12/3/11
 
2) Weeks to receive A/L:  5  (1/10/12)
3) Weeks to receive Buyout $ if applicable: N/A
4) Weeks to receive interem and %%% of pay: 4 weeks (1/3/12) 67%
     Received CSA # on 12/15/11
5) Months to complete:  1.5 months, Finalized 1/16/12
6) OPM processing by D.C. or Boyers, PA: D.C.
7) FERS or CSRS CSRS
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DC2  
#39 Posted : Saturday, January 28, 2012 5:55:25 AM(UTC)

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Spartaned wrote:

Date of retirement:  12/3/11
Months to complete:  1.5 months, Finalized 1/16/12


Wow! That is awesome.
Spartaned  
#40 Posted : Saturday, January 28, 2012 6:26:05 AM(UTC)

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Yeah, I was expecting 3-6 months like everybody else. I only worked for one agency (DOI-FWS) my whole career so maybe that made a difference. All went smoothly for me..
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