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PBCook  
#1 Posted : Friday, May 19, 2017 7:27:10 AM(UTC)
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https://www.washingtonpo.../?utm_term=.9d205a29ed61

From the Washington Post today, the highlights:

Increase Federal Employee Retirement System (FERS) contributions from workers by 1 percentage point each year until they equal the government’s contribution. This would take five to six years and would result in increased out-of-pocket payments of about 6 percent over that period.

Out-of-pocket payments by federal law enforcement officers would increase by the same amount, but would not equal the greater contributions from law enforcement agencies.

Base future retirement benefits on the average of the high five years of salary instead of the current high three

Eliminate cost of living adjustments (COLA) for current and future FERS employees

Cut the COLA for Civil Service Retirement System (CSRS) employees by 0.5 percent from what the formula would allowed

Eliminate supplement payments for FERS employees who retire beginning in 2018. The supplement approximates the value of Social Security benefits for those who retire before age 62.

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#2 Posted : Friday, May 19, 2017 8:59:58 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PBCook Go to Quoted Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/05/18/trumps-budget-calls-for-hits-on-federal-employee-retirement-programs/?utm_term=.9d205a29ed61

From the Washington Post today, the highlights:

Increase Federal Employee Retirement System (FERS) contributions from workers by 1 percentage point each year until they equal the government’s contribution. This would take five to six years and would result in increased out-of-pocket payments of about 6 percent over that period.

Out-of-pocket payments by federal law enforcement officers would increase by the same amount, but would not equal the greater contributions from law enforcement agencies.

Base future retirement benefits on the average of the high five years of salary instead of the current high three

Eliminate cost of living adjustments (COLA) for current and future FERS employees

Cut the COLA for Civil Service Retirement System (CSRS) employees by 0.5 percent from what the formula would allowed

Eliminate supplement payments for FERS employees who retire beginning in 2018. The supplement approximates the value of Social Security benefits for those who retire before age 62.


yup, screw the federal worker so no one will want to work for the feds anymore and they will contract out everyones job.



sad!
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#3 Posted : Friday, May 19, 2017 9:06:03 AM(UTC)
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We knew it was coming... and many of you guys on this board voted for that clown...
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#4 Posted : Friday, May 19, 2017 9:39:56 AM(UTC)

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Tier 1 current 0.8% to 6.8%?
Tier 2 current 4.4% to 10.4%?

Is that what I am reading? Or is it to a specific percent.
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#5 Posted : Friday, May 19, 2017 9:57:36 AM(UTC)
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If you live in a community that has, or is close to a Congressional members office, I encourage you to go to the office and state your opposition to this if it make it past the proposal stage. I did that with the last increase. And reminded the staffers that this was NOT a Postal issue. They were also going to be taking that 4% pay cut. Their jaws dropped when they realized that it covered ALL FERS employees. Which they are.

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#6 Posted : Friday, May 19, 2017 10:02:53 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dafishman Go to Quoted Post
Tier 1 current 0.8% to 6.8%?
Tier 2 current 4.4% to 10.4%?

Is that what I am reading? Or is it to a specific percent.

I'm not a postal employee but this showed up in the 'recent activity' section and caught my eye.

I found an article that lists agency contributions for the various tiers of FERS employees. If you look at that article, you'll see that for new employees who pay 4.4%, the agency's share is less than for those hired when it was only 0.8%. So the government's share today varies.

But what I don't get is that if they INCREASE the rate that the employee contributes, then they should DECREASE the government contribution or else you will more or less double the total contribution...?

So will they bring the government rate down? And will all employees end up making the same contribution? Too soon to tell.

By the way those rates were updated in a 2015 memo from OPM. So even though employee contributions have not changed, the amounts that agencies have to kick in has been going up.

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#7 Posted : Friday, May 19, 2017 11:34:15 AM(UTC)
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The military-industrial

complex must be paid for.

Wanna bet congresses benefits,

etc. won't be touched ?

<g>

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Question authority.
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#8 Posted : Friday, May 19, 2017 11:36:31 AM(UTC)
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Seriously, at a 10.4% contribution rate (if accurate), we'd be far better off not having a FERS annuity at all, especially if you put most of that into TSP instead. It's not even a great deal at 4.4%.

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#9 Posted : Friday, May 19, 2017 1:11:59 PM(UTC)
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If these cuts are effective 10/01/2017 then I am out of here on 09/30/2017. It's not clear whether the elimination of the FERS COLA will apply to current retirees or not. I will certainly be talking to my Congress person.
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#10 Posted : Friday, May 19, 2017 3:07:33 PM(UTC)
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It's just a proposal so I wouldn't worry too much. Personally I would rather have a higher TSP match more then anything else. I was able to amass 6 figures in my 401k in 7 years based on the company matching $2 for every $1 up to 6%. Don't get me wrong, a pension is nice but if I had to choose I would take the TSP as it puts the balll in your court and you can really add up. Obviously the two coupled together is the best solution. Will have to take a wait and see approach.
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#11 Posted : Friday, May 19, 2017 4:51:47 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: craigrh13 Go to Quoted Post
It's just a proposal so I wouldn't worry too much. Personally I would rather have a higher TSP match more then anything else. I was able to amass 6 figures in my 401k in 7 years based on the company matching $2 for every $1 up to 6%. Don't get me wrong, a pension is nice but if I had to choose I would take the TSP as it puts the balll in your court and you can really add up. Obviously the two coupled together is the best solution. Will have to take a wait and see approach.


I agree, it is just a proposal. I doubt it will all pass. The one thing that probably will pass is the high five instead of high three average. The part that is surprising is that there was no suggestion to lower the government contribution to the TSP, maybe making employees contribute more to FERS is the tradeoff.

I don't pretend to know how they reason.

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#12 Posted : Friday, May 19, 2017 5:20:44 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: craigrh13 Go to Quoted Post
It's just a proposal so I wouldn't worry too much. Personally I would rather have a higher TSP match more then anything else. I was able to amass 6 figures in my 401k in 7 years based on the company matching $2 for every $1 up to 6%. Don't get me wrong, a pension is nice but if I had to choose I would take the TSP as it puts the balll in your court and you can really add up. Obviously the two coupled together is the best solution. Will have to take a wait and see approach.


I would like to know how to sign up for the $2 for $1 matching.

It is my understanding that there is a 1% automatic contribution. Then 1/1 for the first $3. Then .50 for $4 and $5. If you contribute 5%, you receive 5% from the USPS.

As a Level 1, Step O carrier, 6% would be $3591. Agency match would be $7138 for a total of $10774!

In contrast, 5% equals $2992, Agency match of $2992 for a total of $5986.

If I missed the notice on the $2/1 deal, I hope it is automatically happening!


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#13 Posted : Friday, May 19, 2017 5:56:28 PM(UTC)
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If this did get approved/passed would it cause a bunch of eligible carriers to retire?

One can hope......
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#14 Posted : Friday, May 19, 2017 6:10:27 PM(UTC)
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Craig, explain this $2 for $1 match. Is that a previous company (not FERS)? If so (and he did say 401k) then everyone needs to put their tongue back in their mouth.

Also, if the feds (will) require a higher employee contribution to FERS, that's likely due to a lesser expected rate of return. So, contributions would have to be higher. CALPERS has already acknowledged this, but their expected rate of return is still way too high. If you live in California, expect even higher taxes to governments to fund pensions.

If congress really wants to "fix" pensions, they should just do away with FERS for new hires, and allow an almost unlimited match to employee TSP contributions, with a cap of maybe 25%. And start with an automatic TSP contribution of 5% a year, which is a bit above what they confiscate from (most) employees now.
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#15 Posted : Sunday, May 21, 2017 6:19:13 AM(UTC)

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Originally Posted by: Skorcher Go to Quoted Post
If these cuts are effective 10/01/2017 then I am out of here on 09/30/2017. It's not clear whether the elimination of the FERS COLA will apply to current retirees or not. I will certainly be talking to my Congress person.



What a coincidence.

September 30th is one of those "best dates to retire"!

http://www.myfederalreti...-FERS-2016-2017-2018.cfm

When this came out I started really crunching the numbers.

I'm working for almost free.

Plus a couple of other things in my life and I think it's time to say adios to the Post Office.

I just now got off the phone with one of my buddies and in whose opinion I value. Smart dude...retired from the Post Office and can pinch a penny until Lincoln screams and I'll go over my numbers ONE MORE TIME.

But DAMN!

The numbers I get make it a no-brainer.

Time to go.

"Fear, not clemency, restrains the wicked."


"Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth." Mike Tyson
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#16 Posted : Sunday, May 21, 2017 6:34:45 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: 122intheshade Go to Quoted Post
Also, if the feds (will) require a higher employee contribution to FERS, that's likely due to a lesser expected rate of return. So, contributions would have to be higher. CALPERS has already acknowledged this, but their expected rate of return is still way too high. If you live in California, expect even higher taxes to governments to fund pensions.



That is what I am guessing is happening as well. Unfortunately, a lot of people do not realize how costly pensions have become. When they were created, people were expected to draw for maybe 5 to 10 years. Now, with modern medicine, you have people retiring at 55-60 after 35-40 years of service, and drawing for another 35 to 40 years. (I think some auto workers started at 18 or 19, retired at 50, and then draw for another 40 years)

I'm not saying retirees or any of you are doing anything unethical or immoral at all.

Increasing the FERS contribution from employees would help raise capital that can be invested in bonds, stocks, and other investment vehicles so that money can be grown (power of compound interest and time) to ensure solvency.
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#17 Posted : Sunday, May 21, 2017 6:46:02 AM(UTC)

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Time for some interpretation please.

"Eliminate supplement payments for FERS employees who retire beginning in 2018. The supplement approximates the value of Social Security benefits for those who retire before age 62."

So if I retire Sept. 30 my effective retirement date is Oct. 1st. That's technically fiscal year 2018.

So to avoid any misinterpretation I'd have to retire in August and have an effective retirement date of Sept. 1st.

Does that sound right?
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#18 Posted : Sunday, May 21, 2017 8:39:36 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Skorcher Go to Quoted Post
If these cuts are effective 10/01/2017 then I am out of here on 09/30/2017. It's not clear whether the elimination of the FERS COLA will apply to current retirees or not. I will certainly be talking to my Congress person.



What a coincidence.

September 30th is one of those "best dates to retire"!

http://www.myfederalreti...-FERS-2016-2017-2018.cfm

When this came out I started really crunching the numbers.

I'm working for almost free.

Plus a couple of other things in my life and I think it's time to say adios to the Post Office.

I just now got off the phone with one of my buddies and in whose opinion I value. Smart dude...retired from the Post Office and can pinch a penny until Lincoln screams and I'll go over my numbers ONE MORE TIME.

But DAMN!

The numbers I get make it a no-brainer.

Time to go.



If someone is at their MRA and can retire without loosing part of their pension, they really need to look hard at retiring.

MRA w/30 years of service, no reduction in the pension plus SS makeup until age 62.

Age 60 w/20 years of service, no reduction in the pension plus SS makeup until age 62.

Every year before age 62 with less than 20 years of service, 5% reduction for each year below 62.

Once you can retire, you are probably only making $5-9/hr more than your pension. Add on what you can draw out of your TSP and IRA's, you are likely in the hole.

Lesson for the younger crowd, pass up on the new car every 3-4 years. Make it a good used car every 12-15 years. Cars only go down in value.

Pass on the newest cell phones. Don't pay banks interest. Every time you get a raise (step or contractual) raise your TSP/IRA contribution until you are setting aside 15-20% of your income.

Have fun now, but make sure you can quit working when you want to.
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New car? My truck is old enough to vote...1998. I haven't had a truck payment in 13 years.

Phone? Galaxy Note 4...does everything...and MORE...that I need.

Save...save...save.

And I've still pissed away money I shouldn't have.

Still have to enjoy the journey of life along the way.

Looks like this door is closing and I'll be leaving.

San Diego was only meant to be a pit stop. I stopped here in March of 1981 for a two week visit. Four years later I was working at the Post Office because of a promise I made to my Mom during a phone call one weekend. She made me promise I'd apply at the Post Office and six weeks later I was a casual clerk.

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#20 Posted : Sunday, May 21, 2017 11:51:02 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: GordonG Go to Quoted Post
Time for some interpretation please.

"Eliminate supplement payments for FERS employees who retire beginning in 2018. The supplement approximates the value of Social Security benefits for those who retire before age 62."

So if I retire Sept. 30 my effective retirement date is Oct. 1st. That's technically fiscal year 2018.

So to avoid any misinterpretation I'd have to retire in August and have an effective retirement date of Sept. 1st.

Does that sound right?


So, yes it is correct that if you work even 1 day (FERS) into a month your retirement starts on the first day of the next month.(that's why it's suggested to retire at the end of the month so you go the least amount of time (with no paycheck) before you start getting your annuity)

The problem is that the devil may be in the details. What we're reading says "employees who retire in 2018" but is that the calendar year or the fiscal year?
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