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#81 Posted : Tuesday, May 30, 2017 8:31:57 AM(UTC)
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Question for anybody. How soon after final CPC visit did you receive FJO? If you already had a clearance?
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#82 Posted : Tuesday, May 30, 2017 9:50:54 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: clamy Go to Quoted Post
Question for anybody. How soon after final CPC visit did you receive FJO? If you already had a clearance?


Take a look at the "BI, Adjudicaton, FO" thread.
It's looking like no one is getting an FJO until about 3 months or more after CPC.
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#83 Posted : Wednesday, May 31, 2017 1:16:43 PM(UTC)
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Having a clearance doesn't help you unless you already work at the agency and it's currently in-scope. Everybody else has to wait a while.
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#84 Posted : Thursday, October 12, 2017 3:25:57 AM(UTC)
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WOOOOOweee it's THURSDAY. Channeling my inner Chevy. Time for some resurrection. Let's get some HUMINTers/CI off this board. #FJOThursday

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#85 Posted : Thursday, October 12, 2017 3:45:28 AM(UTC)
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WOOOOOweee it's THURSDAY. Channeling my inner Chevy. Time for some resurrection. Let's get some HUMINTers/CI off this board. #FJOThursday


Hahahaha 😂😂🤣🤣


Let's GOOOOOO
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#86 Posted : Thursday, October 12, 2017 7:04:10 AM(UTC)
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WOOOOOweee it's THURSDAY. Channeling my inner Chevy. Time for some resurrection. Let's get some HUMINTers/CI off this board. #FJOThursday


We should all be channeling our inner Chevy!

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#87 Posted : Thursday, October 12, 2017 8:06:51 AM(UTC)
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It would be especially useful for us Mission Management people.


Yeah but folks here are talking HUMINT.
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#88 Posted : Thursday, October 12, 2017 9:10:19 AM(UTC)
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It would be especially useful for us Mission Management people.


Yeah but folks here are talking HUMINT.


That's why I said "We...all." For all career fields.

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#89 Posted : Thursday, October 12, 2017 9:19:20 AM(UTC)
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It would be especially useful for us Mission Management people.


Yeah but folks here are talking HUMINT.


That's why I said "We all." For all career fields.


K.
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#90 Posted : Thursday, October 12, 2017 10:09:23 AM(UTC)
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What's the difference between HUMINT and Analyst? Aren't they basically the same thing?
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#91 Posted : Thursday, October 12, 2017 3:51:21 PM(UTC)
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Of the many professions those jobs can be compared to, journalism is the closest to what HUMINT actually does whereas analysts are the newscasters.

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#92 Posted : Thursday, October 12, 2017 5:28:13 PM(UTC)
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Of the many professions those jobs can be compared to, journalism is the closest to what HUMINT actually does whereas analysts are the newscasters.


So it's more of a reason/collection position and analyst just present the information?
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#93 Posted : Thursday, October 12, 2017 5:32:24 PM(UTC)
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Of the many professions those jobs can be compared to, journalism is the closest to what HUMINT actually does whereas analysts are the newscasters.


So it's more of a reason/collection position and analyst just present the information?


HumInt collects it, Analysts put it together and verify it to tell a truthful story
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#94 Posted : Thursday, October 12, 2017 5:50:57 PM(UTC)
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Of the many professions those jobs can be compared to, journalism is the closest to what HUMINT actually does whereas analysts are the newscasters.


So it's more of a reason/collection position and analyst just present the information?


Here are descriptions of different DIA career fields from the DIA website, including HUMINT and Analysis:

http://www.dia.mil/Careers/Mission-Areas/
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#95 Posted : Friday, October 13, 2017 4:16:54 AM(UTC)
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What's the difference between HUMINT and Analyst? Aren't they basically the same thing?

How DARE you...


Who dafuq is that guy?
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#96 Posted : Friday, October 13, 2017 2:27:18 PM(UTC)
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Of the many professions those jobs can be compared to, journalism is the closest to what HUMINT actually does whereas analysts are the newscasters.


So it's more of a reason/collection position and analyst just present the information?


Kinda sorta. Basically, HUMINT officers run around setting up meetings with people and talking to them, then go back to their desk and write a report about what was talked about. Other HUMINT officers don't collect but manage collection requirements and liaise with analysts. Analyst officers collate that raw information in conjunction with information from a variety of other sources and produce intelligence for policymakers and operational decision makers. Generally speaking, HUMINT works in the DO and analysts work in the DI. Your specific duties are entirely dependent on your billet in either (i.e. a HUMINTer who collects in war zones every day won't have the same job as a HUMINTer who manages targeting information back in Washington, an analyst who works in the field out of an embassy won't have the same job as an analyst who briefs the SECDEF daily).

It gets even more muddled in the CI world. All CI officers (investigators, operators, collectors, analysts, technical/functional) work in the DO because CI is an inherently operational field. A policymaker who is told by a CI analyst that Country X is engaging in double agent ops against Country Y won't care because there isn't really anything he can do from a policy standpoint about that. A CI collector or investigator will definitely care though, because it may affect our HUMINT ops down the line.

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#97 Posted : Friday, October 13, 2017 6:42:41 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TMHTE Go to Quoted Post
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Of the many professions those jobs can be compared to, journalism is the closest to what HUMINT actually does whereas analysts are the newscasters.


So it's more of a reason/collection position and analyst just present the information?


Kinda sorta. Basically, HUMINT officers run around setting up meetings with people and talking to them, then go back to their desk and write a report about what was talked about. Other HUMINT officers don't collect but manage collection requirements and liaise with analysts. Analyst officers collate that raw information in conjunction with information from a variety of other sources and produce intelligence for policymakers and operational decision makers. Generally speaking, HUMINT works in the DO and analysts work in the DI. Your specific duties are entirely dependent on your billet in either (i.e. a HUMINTer who collects in war zones every day won't have the same job as a HUMINTer who manages targeting information back in Washington, an analyst who works in the field out of an embassy won't have the same job as an analyst who briefs the SECDEF daily).

It gets even more muddled in the CI world. All CI officers (investigators, operators, collectors, analysts, technical/functional) work in the DO because CI is an inherently operational field. A policymaker who is told by a CI analyst that Country X is engaging in double agent ops against Country Y won't care because there isn't really anything he can do from a policy standpoint about that. A CI collector or investigator will definitely care though, because it may affect our HUMINT ops down the line.


Wow, thanks for the indept explanation! I'm really excited for this career field. Hopefully we all hear from HR sooner since this is the new fiscal year.

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#98 Posted : Friday, October 13, 2017 6:47:18 PM(UTC)
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TMHTE can I PM you some questions about CI?
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#99 Posted : Saturday, October 14, 2017 6:59:50 AM(UTC)
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So it's more of a reason/collection position and analyst just present the information?

Kinda sorta. Basically, HUMINT officers run around setting up meetings with people and talking to them, then go back to their desk and write a report about what was talked about. Other HUMINT officers don't collect but manage collection requirements and liaise with analysts. Analyst officers collate that raw information in conjunction with information from a variety of other sources and produce intelligence for policymakers and operational decision makers. Generally speaking, HUMINT works in the DO and analysts work in the DI. Your specific duties are entirely dependent on your billet in either (i.e. a HUMINTer who collects in war zones every day won't have the same job as a HUMINTer who manages targeting information back in Washington, an analyst who works in the field out of an embassy won't have the same job as an analyst who briefs the SECDEF daily).

It gets even more muddled in the CI world. All CI officers (investigators, operators, collectors, analysts, technical/functional) work in the DO because CI is an inherently operational field. A policymaker who is told by a CI analyst that Country X is engaging in double agent ops against Country Y won't care because there isn't really anything he can do from a policy standpoint about that. A CI collector or investigator will definitely care though, because it may affect our HUMINT ops down the line.

It might be of interest to some of you that once you're hired, you're not locked into one field/specialty.

For example, as a Mission Manager, I am eligible to attend the DoD CI Special Agent Course, in about a year.

That will open opportunities for me to transfer to the Office of Counterintelligence (OCI), within DO.

It's also possible to be a certain specialty/field and work in something else. AKA Analyst in a DO branch.

There's a nice list of all the "additional training" we are eligible for: Strategic Debriefing, Analysis, etc.

Technically, we are allowed to change specialties after one year, assuming we have received a recommendation.

Career specialty doesn't mean that much, it's mainly used to organize who all will be assigned to particular branches.

The organization structure is interesting. DIA has it's own language so if you have an INTEL background, expect to learn.

It has also been confirmed that we can apply to change our duty station and career field after the first two years.

In summary, there's a plethora of opportunities for new hires and communication is not nearly as bad, once you're in.


That's good info K money. I'm glad we can train outside our specialty, if there's one thing about the corporate world that really irritated me, it's when people say that's not my job, I don't need to know how to do that. I really enjoy learning things outside of my field of expertise, and to grow my abilities, and marketability. As well as to become a more well-rounded individual in my field of expertise and the intelligence feel as al corporate world that really irritated me, it's when people say that's not my job, I don't need to know how to do that. I really enjoy learning things outside of my field of expertise, and to grow my abilities, and marketability. As well as to become a more well-rounded individual in my field of expertise and the intelligence field overall.

Have they mentioned whether we will be able to attend courses such as the national intelligence university, as well as other courses during our first year and throughout the probation? I'm very curious if they only want us to take the entry level courses for our specialty and field to become qualified, or if we will be able to take advantage of language classes, and other opportunities available throughout the agency.
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#100 Posted : Saturday, October 14, 2017 7:22:01 AM(UTC)
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Technically, we are allowed to change specialties after one year, assuming we have received a recommendation.

Career specialty doesn't mean that much, it's mainly used to organize who all will be assigned to particular branches.


From the descriptions on the DIA website, some of the MM career specialties seem to be kind of interchangeable. How often do people get a FJO in a MM career specialty other than those that they received a CJO for? How much overlap is there between the work of the different MM career specialties?

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It has also been confirmed that we can apply to change our duty station and career field after the first two years.



What about overseas training and TDY opportunities for people stationed in DC or elsewhere in the US during their two-year probation period?

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