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morgan05  
#1701 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2019 6:31:56 PM(UTC)
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Office Management and Infrastructure
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#1702 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2019 6:59:33 PM(UTC)
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You probably get a call in about 6 months or less. Good luck and congratulations!

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#1703 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2019 8:21:55 AM(UTC)
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Anyone scheduled for Touchstone in early February?
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#1704 Posted : Thursday, January 24, 2019 9:09:02 AM(UTC)
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I see a lot of people talking about contracting jobs until they hear back from DIA, where do you go to find those positions at? is there a specific place or do you just use sites like indeed or glassdoor?
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#1705 Posted : Thursday, January 24, 2019 12:41:36 PM(UTC)
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Try Clarencejobs.com or indeed
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#1706 Posted : Thursday, January 24, 2019 1:00:34 PM(UTC)
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Try Clarencejobs.com or indeed


Should i be looking for specifically short term contracts or just try and find an actual job and decide what to do when billet comes through? I've been told not to pass up gov't jobs for private unless for a big difference in pay. I'm a month removed from college so I'm not exactly sure what the market is for contractor jobs.
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#1707 Posted : Thursday, January 24, 2019 2:19:21 PM(UTC)
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Since any job could potentially be "short term" there's no sense in limiting yourself.

New grads are attractive to employers since they can pay you less AND you are still young and impressionable, eager to please, and haven't yet figured out what you can get away with and what you don't have to put up with (not like us old guys who have been around the block a few times).

Put your resume on clearancejobs.com and be prepared for your email to fill up with spam from recruiters. Hard to tell some of them from Nigerian banking scams.
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#1708 Posted : Friday, January 25, 2019 8:38:30 PM(UTC)
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Haha true but thanks for the info. I'd really like the fed job just die to the end game (pension) and benefits for working for feds and DoD (Student loans and the free masters program) I've already gotta a couple responses from DoD contractors but these positions seem more permanent positions s for those companies.
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#1709 Posted : Tuesday, February 12, 2019 4:31:01 AM(UTC)
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Howdy-

I just got through, timeline below. FYI, I'm a grad-studebt grad with little HUMINT applicable experience. There are a lot of you in the pool.

08/17- CJO
10/17- CPC
02/17- BI complete

12/18- call for in person interview

02/18- FJO

HUMINT

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Civilian. Female.
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#1710 Posted : Friday, March 08, 2019 8:59:09 AM(UTC)
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Does anyone have a staffing POC they can DM me?
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#1711 Posted : Friday, March 08, 2019 9:52:37 AM(UTC)
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Does anyone have a staffing POC they can DM me?


1. For what purpose?
2. Its not good to just be giving our others info.
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#1712 Posted : Friday, March 15, 2019 3:34:47 PM(UTC)
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Has anybody on this forum had their career development officer (CDO) recommend them for one or more positions at DIA? If so, did you ever hear back about the position(s)? Either the hiring manager contacting you to discuss your interest in the position or the OHR just contacting you to give you a FJO for the position. And if you did hear back about the position(s), about how long was it after the CDO recommended you?
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#1713 Posted : Friday, March 15, 2019 5:07:34 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: rebels8 Go to Quoted Post
Has anybody on this forum had their career development officer (CDO) recommend them for one or more positions at DIA? If so, did you ever hear back about the position(s)? Either the hiring manager contacting you to discuss your interest in the position or the OHR just contacting you to give you a FJO for the position. And if you did hear back about the position(s), about how long was it after the CDO recommended you?

It is true that CDOs are suppose to assist hiring managers in the selection of competitive candidates. However, it has been my impression, based on first-hand experience and testimonials from others at DIA that the majority have failed in this task. This failure is not entirely their fault because CDOs are primarily involved in matching hiring managers with candidates in the cleared hiring pool. Since all vacant positions are first advertised internally, it is often rare for cleared candidates to take advantage of them. This has contributed to the stagnation which continues to grow within the DIA hiring pool. The rate of DIA hiring events has noticeably slowed, but it's only a matter of time before they start up again. Click your heels together and pray that you receive a FJO before that day comes.

If someone was referred to a hiring manager, by a CDO, it would have been mentioned already on this forum. I have no memory of that ever happening... so it's safe to say that it's not a common occurrence. Remember, most candidates are not contacted between the start of their background investigation and receiving a final offer. This has been said multiple times, but I feel inclined to mention it again. The best method for tolerating the DIA hiring process is to forget that it exists. Submit your applications. Move on. Do not rely on getting hired by DIA. Do not pass on opportunities that appear, while waiting to get hired by DIA. Do not place all your eggs in one basket. Do not ask why something happens. The answer is almost always upsetting. Instead, set yourself up for success by applying to all positions, in all locations, with all employers that you're interested in and then accept the first offer that arrives.

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#1714 Posted : Friday, March 15, 2019 6:22:14 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Kaliino Go to Quoted Post


If someone was referred to a hiring manager, by a CDO, it would have been mentioned already on this forum. I have no memory of that ever happening... so it's safe to say that it's not a common occurrence.


Well mission management may be unique in this regard since it's a small career field and there are apparently a lot more people on the MM cleared list than there are vacant MM billets.
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#1715 Posted : Friday, March 15, 2019 7:37:39 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: rebels8 Go to Quoted Post
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If someone was referred to a hiring manager, by a CDO, it would have been mentioned already on this forum. I have no memory of that ever happening... so it's safe to say that it's not a common occurrence.


Well mission management may be unique in this regard since it's a small career field and there are apparently a lot more people on the MM cleared list than there are vacant MM billets.


MM is not unique.

Every career field has more cleared applicants than there are vacancies.

Or there wouldn’t be vacancies.

Or a hiring pool.

Presumably CDO’s can only work to place candidates in vacancies they’re aware of. So if the hiring manager doesn’t reach out or make it public he has a vacancy, it’s hard for the CDO to get involved.

Also new hires are a small fraction of CDO’s jobs. They also handle spousal movements, ACAP, promotions, transfers, internal hires, reclassifications, and other programs/methods of personnel and developmental issues.

It’s not like a vacancy comes out and suddenly people are checking the cleared pool.

Why would I hire someone new when I can get someone experienced?

Also, in order to hire someone from the pool, vacant billets have to be downgraded to allow 7-10 to fill them, so often times billets will remain vacant simply because of these processes no one wants to deal with.

Kaliino is right. These are questions you don’t want answers to. Apply and forget. I got what most people here would consider “positive movement” or “good news”.

I’ve been working as a contractor, promoted I’ve already, about to shift jobs to something pretty sexy, and I’m making a career and growing where I’m planted. Im actually very happy where I am and am weighing heavily on the idea of a FJO vs my current situation.

Live your life like this want happen. Don’t work around this. I stopped doing that a year ago.
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#1716 Posted : Saturday, March 16, 2019 3:53:38 AM(UTC)
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Why would I hire someone new when I can get someone experienced?
This is part of the problem. I think this especially impacts some of the MM specialties because they include jobs which used to be filled by folks with more experience. The career field leadership and HR sometimes have to lean on hiring managers to get them to bring on new folks who sometimes have no intel background at all.

As far as downgrading the billets, I think that is already taking place. There are very very few billets below the 11 grade. Many people I meet seem to be in higher grade billets even though they came in at 7-10 grade. But that hiring manager is hoping that they can find someone with experience to fill those higher grade slots before agreeing to put a new hire in there.

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#1717 Posted : Saturday, March 16, 2019 10:10:58 AM(UTC)
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In order to hire someone from the pool, vacant billets have to be downgraded to allow 7-10 to fill them.

As far as downgrading the billets, I think that is already taking place.

I often reach out to my former colleagues in DIA to see if they have rallied together and burned down HQ. The underground network, that I was once a proud member of, is still growing in numbers. However, it appears that they have gotten more radical since I left and have begun to employ more extreme measures to extract information from OHR. For example, just the other day I learned that the underground coaxed one of the HR specialists out to a local bar, placed them in a Chinese finger trap, and questioned them about the process of downgrading billets. This resulted in the following information: in order for a billet to transition from GG-11 to GG-10/11, it must be advertised on the marketplace and receive zero applicants.

If you see a billet that has received multiple downgrades (i.e. GG-07/11) then that means the hiring manager has previously attempted to fill the position four times without success. This almost made sense until I asked myself, "why the ***** are cleared candidates not filling these positions"? The first reason that came to me is that cleared candidates are actively saying "no" to these positions because they're waiting on something better. The alternative, and more likely reason, is that someone is failing to communicate these positions to the cleared hiring pool in the first place. Regardless, the situation remains problematic. One of many reasons why you all should begin seeking employment elsewhere.

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#1718 Posted : Saturday, March 16, 2019 11:58:54 AM(UTC)
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If you see a billet that has received multiple downgrades (i.e. GG-07/11) then that means the hiring manager has previously attempted to fill the position four times without success.
Like many other Kalicisms, I call BULLS#!T on this one. Why? Because several billets in my organization have been downgraded which have occupants in them. The occupant (or incumbent) is a 13, but if they should leave, it will be advertised at a lower level.

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Kaliino  
#1719 Posted : Saturday, March 16, 2019 12:28:31 PM(UTC)
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If you see a billet that has received multiple downgrades (i.e. GG-07/11) then that means the hiring manager has previously attempted to fill the position four times without success.

Like many other Kalicisms, I call BULLS#!T on this one. Why? Because several billets in my organization have been downgraded which have occupants in them. The occupant (or incumbent) is a 13, but if they should leave, it will be advertised at a lower level.

Once again... I find myself forced to talk slowly for the old guy in the room...

Imagine that you're a hiring manager and have a vacant GG/0132/13 analyst billet. That billet being vacant means you have one less analyst to complete assigned tasks. Obviously, "many hands make light work" so you place that vacant billet on the marketplace so that those interested can apply to fill it. Vacancy announcements are posted, on average, for a duration of two weeks. Now imagine that no one applies to the vacancy during those two weeks. Well... *****. So now you contact OHR, tell them what happened, and request to downgrade the billet to GG/0132/12-13 so that it gets filled.

Now imagine that ***** continues to happen and the billet gets downgraded to GG/0132/10-13. Great! Cleared candidates in the hiring pool are now eligible to fill the position. However, as the hiring manager... you would still prefer to hire the most competitive candidate. Which means... if a GG-13 applies for the GG/0132/10-13 billet... you will select them instead of a GG-10 in the hiring pool. Once the GG-13 leaves the billet, it will be re-posted to the marketplace as a GG/0132/10-13 vacancy announcement.

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"Savvy?" - Captain Jack Sparrow, The Curse of the Black Pearl (2003)
Yes. You are making s#!t up. Again.

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