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What does TPP tell us? How many ways it could not be as planned.

Its good leadership of your own life to apply for unemployment. If we are paid than pay it back.

Good luck. I hope it works out for you. The issue I see happening when you apply is one of the questions is "What is the last day you worked?" It is not when was the first day you were supposed to go back to work after being out of work since the summer.

Some rumors in Brookhaven ppl are being called back as essential.. anyone get a call?

As much as I do not want to see it, the best thing right now for us (as furloughed people) might be for a national emergency to be declared. It would get us back to work fast and with pay.

These negotiations are going nowhere fast.

A declaration would involve the National Emergencies Act (50 USC 1601-1651) stating he'll use the construction authority in 10 USC 2808 to put the Army Corps of Engineers, the Navy's Seabees, and the USAF Civil Engineer Center to work. If POTUS does this, I honestly think he'll simply be impeached and quite possibly removed. When writers like Rich Lowry, editor of National Review. and others on the right side of the aisle are slamming the idea of declaring a national emergency just to do an end run around the appropriations process there may be Republican votes in the Senate to oust the current POTUS.

Impeachment then trial takes a couple weeks to run. I know House leadership say they don't want to do it but doing a move like this would likely push things over the edge. We wouldn't be back to work any sooner and would have a multi-ringed circus in DC to watch.

Executive Order 13223 is an example of a pre-existing national emergency POTUS could potentially do something under, too. EO 13814 shows how he might does that. We'll see.

Like I said, I am not questioning the merits of declaring an emergency (I personally think it would be a terrible way to deal with things), I am just saying that there is such an impasse that for us as unpaid, locked out employees, it may be the quickest route to get back on the job. My understanding is that doing the declaration literally winds up funding the Gov't and getting us back on the job.

Both sides in this disaster have a stench to them that is disturbing. 20 days now, and they are entrenched in frankly a sickening battle of egos. At this point I almost think the Presidents opposition in this wouldn't mind him doing a declaration all that much. Yes it would create another crisis legally, but selfishly it may be our best avenue to see a paycheck sooner.

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It is no guarantee that Trump will cave on the CR once the (likely) emergency declaration is made. I think the more likely scenario is he waits until the actual work starts on the "wall". If the IRS is issuing refunds then he won't face any pressure.

That’s wishcasting. All a declaration would let him do is reprogram DoD construction funds to do construction. It wouldn’t manage to pay us. There’s no way to twist the Feed & Forage Act to cover non-military personnel.

Everything I am hearing says if the emergency is declared, it clears the way to open the gov't back up and we would come back with pay

At this point that is all I care about.

If that happens, it throws everything to the courts about the "wall" funding, and the President can declare "victory of sorts" These people are not even negotiating, so as I said, it may just be our best shot at getting back to earn a check. A pox on all these people I say, and I do mean ALL. None of them will stop playing politics under any circumstances.

I understand your point of view. But if he does the "Emergency" route that would, I feel, get us back to work. But the problem is that this would basically say to Congress "you are irrelevant" since any President could invoke an emergency.

Isn't everything really an "emergency"? Think about before the ACA we had 50 million uninsured. If YOU (or someone close to you) was uninsured and/or sick facing financial ruin that's an emergency. And remember we had 50 million uninsured. So a more "Liberal President" could declare and emergency and set up Single Payer or Medicare-for-all. It would then once established be very hard to get rid of.

Then there's climate change. Sounds like another emergency!

Now a president could NOT pass an emergency and do something unconstitutional. I heard rightwing hate radio Mike Gallagher say a Democratic President could "take away all our guns". This would run up against the 2nd Amendment and fail. So would declaring and emergency and rounding up the Democrats or Hispanics and hearding them into camps.

But getting legislation passed and funded that would NOT violate the constition would be possible after Trump takes this step.

Can you imagine every 4 to 8 years having the political landscape transformed so such a degree? That kind of rapid change would be a disaster.

Change is fine. As long as change isn't ALWAYS happening.

Now to the wall. USA Today did a piece on it, here's a link to the piece https://www.youtube.com/...dNg&feature=youtu.be

You have a huge section that runs through a river. Do we build it on OUR side of the border keeping OUR people away from the river too. This is Texas remember, water is kind of important there. We can't build it on Mexico's side, unless they invade Mexico. Then there's steep canyons and mountains to deal with. So there are large parts of the wall's route that you REALLY can't build a wall on.

I am amazed more hasn't been said on this in the media!

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