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Lefty  
#81 Posted : Saturday, February 09, 2019 4:53:37 PM(UTC)
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Hi all!

First time caller, long time listener.

I wanted to share my timeline, as I recently received the FJO. If anyone has any questions please feel free to ask, as I know this process can be insanely arduous and anything I can do to pay it forward...

Submitted Application: End of January 2018
Invited for Interview: April 2018
Interview at HQ: May 2018
CJO: Middle of June 2018
Submitted HR/Security Forms: End of June/Beginning of July 2018
Pre-Screen Questions: August 2018
Scheduled Psych and Poly: Beginning of October 2018
BI Called to Schedule Subject Interview: Beginning of October 2018 (actually same day I got the call about psych/poly
Subject Interview/BI came to my job: Beginning of October 2018
Poly/Psych: End of October/Beginning of Nov 2018 (passed first time)
FJO: Beginning of February 2019
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#82 Posted : Saturday, February 09, 2019 4:54:48 PM(UTC)
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Hi all!

First time caller, long time listener.

I wanted to share my timeline, as I recently received the FJO. If anyone has any questions please feel free to ask, as I know this process can be insanely arduous and anything I can do to pay it forward...

Submitted Application: End of January 2018
Invited for Interview: April 2018
Interview at HQ: May 2018
CJO: Middle of June 2018
Submitted HR/Security Forms: End of June/Beginning of July 2018
Pre-Screen Questions: August 2018
Scheduled Psych and Poly: Beginning of October 2018
BI Called to Schedule Subject Interview: Beginning of October 2018 (actually same day I got the call about psych/poly
Subject Interview/BI came to my job: Beginning of October 2018
Poly/Psych: End of October/Beginning of Nov 2018 (passed first time)
FJO: Beginning of February 2019


Congrats, I hope you’re excited!
If you don’t mind sharing, what kind of position was it?
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Lefty on 2/9/2019(UTC)
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#83 Posted : Saturday, February 09, 2019 5:07:42 PM(UTC)
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Hi all!

First time caller, long time listener.

I wanted to share my timeline, as I recently received the FJO. If anyone has any questions please feel free to ask, as I know this process can be insanely arduous and anything I can do to pay it forward...

Submitted Application: End of January 2018
Invited for Interview: April 2018
Interview at HQ: May 2018
CJO: Middle of June 2018
Submitted HR/Security Forms: End of June/Beginning of July 2018
Pre-Screen Questions: August 2018
Scheduled Psych and Poly: Beginning of October 2018
BI Called to Schedule Subject Interview: Beginning of October 2018 (actually same day I got the call about psych/poly
Subject Interview/BI came to my job: Beginning of October 2018
Poly/Psych: End of October/Beginning of Nov 2018 (passed first time)
FJO: Beginning of February 2019


Congrats, I hope you’re excited!
If you don’t mind sharing, what kind of position was it?



I am definitely excited. It's an analyst position.

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Porgy on 2/9/2019(UTC)
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#84 Posted : Saturday, February 09, 2019 5:09:35 PM(UTC)
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Hi all!

First time caller, long time listener.

I wanted to share my timeline, as I recently received the FJO. If anyone has any questions please feel free to ask, as I know this process can be insanely arduous and anything I can do to pay it forward...

Submitted Application: End of January 2018
Invited for Interview: April 2018
Interview at HQ: May 2018
CJO: Middle of June 2018
Submitted HR/Security Forms: End of June/Beginning of July 2018
Pre-Screen Questions: August 2018
Scheduled Psych and Poly: Beginning of October 2018
BI Called to Schedule Subject Interview: Beginning of October 2018 (actually same day I got the call about psych/poly
Subject Interview/BI came to my job: Beginning of October 2018
Poly/Psych: End of October/Beginning of Nov 2018 (passed first time)
FJO: Beginning of February 2019


Congrats, I hope you’re excited!
If you don’t mind sharing, what kind of position was it?



I am definitely excited. It's an analyst position.



Thanks for sharing!
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BatDog123 on 2/11/2019(UTC)
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#85 Posted : Saturday, February 09, 2019 5:56:04 PM(UTC)
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Lefty,

Congratulations and thanks for sharing your timeline. Did you have many foreign contacts and/or travels?
Lefty  
#86 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2019 9:40:31 AM(UTC)
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In terms of foreign contact, I have a few, but made sure I had all their information at the time of the subject interview (i.e., addresses, birth dates, place of birth, etc.). With respect to travel, anything recent has been to Mexico, Canada, Caribbean, etc.
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#87 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2019 2:49:30 PM(UTC)
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First time poster here. Does the NSA always fly out people for in person interviews or do they do phone interviews as well? I've noticed a trend that most people conducted an interview about a month after application. In a few days it would have been a month since I applied and I haven't had an interview request yet or any email whatsoever since my submission confirmation. Wondering if I should start counting my chickens.

For reference I applied for a non-language involved Technical Position.

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#88 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2019 5:34:45 PM(UTC)
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First time poster here. Does the NSA always fly out people for in person interviews or do they do phone interviews as well? I've noticed a trend that most people conducted an interview about a month after application. In a few days it would have been a month since I applied and I haven't had an interview request yet or any email whatsoever since my submission confirmation. Wondering if I should start counting my chickens.

For reference I applied for a non-language involved Technical Position.

Thanks!


Both. It really depends on availability.
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#89 Posted : Monday, February 11, 2019 7:37:37 AM(UTC)
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Not getting anything from my recruiter or my security person either. I have contacted both and neither respond to me. So damn frustrating.
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#90 Posted : Monday, February 11, 2019 8:13:27 AM(UTC)

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Originally Posted by: Axelarate Go to Quoted Post
First time poster here. Does the NSA always fly out people for in person interviews or do they do phone interviews as well? I've noticed a trend that most people conducted an interview about a month after application. In a few days it would have been a month since I applied and I haven't had an interview request yet or any email whatsoever since my submission confirmation. Wondering if I should start counting my chickens.

For reference I applied for a non-language involved Technical Position.

Thanks!



I applied months ago and just had an online video interview. Analyst position.
LDomino  
#91 Posted : Monday, February 11, 2019 10:40:09 AM(UTC)
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Hi all!

First time caller, long time listener.

I wanted to share my timeline, as I recently received the FJO. If anyone has any questions please feel free to ask, as I know this process can be insanely arduous and anything I can do to pay it forward...

Submitted Application: End of January 2018
Invited for Interview: April 2018
Interview at HQ: May 2018
CJO: Middle of June 2018
Submitted HR/Security Forms: End of June/Beginning of July 2018
Pre-Screen Questions: August 2018
Scheduled Psych and Poly: Beginning of October 2018
BI Called to Schedule Subject Interview: Beginning of October 2018 (actually same day I got the call about psych/poly
Subject Interview/BI came to my job: Beginning of October 2018
Poly/Psych: End of October/Beginning of Nov 2018 (passed first time)
FJO: Beginning of February 2019


Congrats, I hope you’re excited!
If you don’t mind sharing, what kind of position was it?



I am definitely excited. It's an analyst position.



Holy crap man, you went from CJO to FJO in eight months? That'a got to be a new record. I'm assuming you aren't a language analyst? We seem to get the short end of the stick...
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Porgy on 2/11/2019(UTC)
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#92 Posted : Tuesday, February 12, 2019 7:12:18 AM(UTC)
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I don't see many people taking the CNT in these time lines. What's the average time it takes to get a email back after taking the CNT?

Thank you all for sharing your timelines!
Porgy  
#93 Posted : Tuesday, February 12, 2019 7:44:57 AM(UTC)
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I don't see many people taking the CNT in these time lines. What's the average time it takes to get a email back after taking the CNT?

Thank you all for sharing your timelines!


TL;DR My experience suggests that they probably move candidates along in "buckets", you might be waiting more than a month depending on multiple factors such as:
1. Whatever is convenient for the NSA (seems to be the most important)
2. Your recruiter's work load
3. Other candidates
4. The weather/holiday gods

Let me know if you need me to elaborate. I don't want to post publicly which position I'm actively processing for, but I will confirm that I passed the CNT and interviewed for the specific role related to the test.

Here's the longer version; I think my timing was abnormal because I was applying to multiple jobs and I got "lucky". Obviously, the names of the recruiters have been changed.

I applied for jobs Alpha, Beta, and Gamma. I took the CNT for job Gamma. Job Alpha and Beta did not require testing.

Recruiter Alice is in charge of recruiting for job Gamma (CNT).
Recruiter Bob is in charge of recruiting for job Alpha and job Beta.

Scheduler Charlie reached out to me a week after I put in my application to take the CNT. Charlie mentioned the CNT is just a "Pass/Fail" based off of a minimum threshold that the test-taker needs to pass. I won't hear anything back for job Gamma if I failed the CNT.

I took the CNT within two weeks of Charlie contacting me. I thought I did well because its subject matter has a large amount of overlap with my current job.

A week after I took the CNT, Bob reached out to me.

Bob said that, while Alice handles recruiting for job Gamma, he sees that I passed the test. As such, Bob will schedule an interview for me for all three jobs. If I get an offer (and accept the offer) for job Gamma, Alice will be my recruiting point of contact to process to that particular role.

If I get and offer and accepted for Alpha or Beta, I will have Bob as my POC.

Two or three weeks later, I have my interviews for Alpha, Beta, and Gamma. All three interviews were in the morning of the same day and were on-site.

In the afternoon on day that I had my three interviews, I received an email from Alice congratulating me on passing the CNT and to be on the lookout for emails to come in for an interview for job Gamma. (I told Alice that I had my interview earlier that day and she seemed surprised by that.)

Had Bob not reached out to me as soon as he did, I probably would have been waiting a month or more before I came in for an interview for Gamma. Also to note is I took my test right as the new federal fiscal year was beginning, so maybe that would have been relevant?

Edited by user Tuesday, February 12, 2019 10:42:37 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Clarification because I can't grammar.

Lefty  
#94 Posted : Tuesday, February 12, 2019 11:16:18 AM(UTC)
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Hi all!

First time caller, long time listener.

I wanted to share my timeline, as I recently received the FJO. If anyone has any questions please feel free to ask, as I know this process can be insanely arduous and anything I can do to pay it forward...

Submitted Application: End of January 2018
Invited for Interview: April 2018
Interview at HQ: May 2018
CJO: Middle of June 2018
Submitted HR/Security Forms: End of June/Beginning of July 2018
Pre-Screen Questions: August 2018
Scheduled Psych and Poly: Beginning of October 2018
BI Called to Schedule Subject Interview: Beginning of October 2018 (actually same day I got the call about psych/poly
Subject Interview/BI came to my job: Beginning of October 2018
Poly/Psych: End of October/Beginning of Nov 2018 (passed first time)
FJO: Beginning of February 2019


Congrats, I hope you’re excited!
If you don’t mind sharing, what kind of position was it?



I am definitely excited. It's an analyst position.



Holy crap man, you went from CJO to FJO in eight months? That'a got to be a new record. I'm assuming you aren't a language analyst? We seem to get the short end of the stick...



No, not a language analyst position. Sorry about your short stick. :( Keeping my fingers crossed for you!

I definitely attribute my timeline to my recruiter, who was wonderful...and usually responded within the week. Unfortunately, from what I have read that seems to be the exception rather than the rule. Yes, it's true that they really don't know where you are in the process (especially once the BI/poly/psych stuff starts) because of the Privacy Act. However, I think it's important to try and maintain somewhat consistent contact. Every couple of weeks to months, I would think of random questions and shoot off an email. For example, I am currently a federal employee, so a lot of my questions had to do with how and what information to disclose to supervisors during this pre-employment phase; along with, how to handle promotional opportunities at my current agency, etc.

My unsolicited advice is this: if you're having trouble reaching your recruiter, try reaching out to the general NSA hire contact. I think it's a matter of trying to balance being persistent without being a pest. Additionally, I would suggest (although this is super obvious) being sure to respond to their requests for info the same day (I know, duh...) and sending follow-up emails asking them to confirm the receipt. I found that it took 1-3 "hey did you get that stuff I sent" messages before they replied, "we got you."

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Hi all!

First time caller, long time listener.

I wanted to share my timeline, as I recently received the FJO. If anyone has any questions please feel free to ask, as I know this process can be insanely arduous and anything I can do to pay it forward...

Submitted Application: End of January 2018
Invited for Interview: April 2018
Interview at HQ: May 2018
CJO: Middle of June 2018
Submitted HR/Security Forms: End of June/Beginning of July 2018
Pre-Screen Questions: August 2018
Scheduled Psych and Poly: Beginning of October 2018
BI Called to Schedule Subject Interview: Beginning of October 2018 (actually same day I got the call about psych/poly
Subject Interview/BI came to my job: Beginning of October 2018
Poly/Psych: End of October/Beginning of Nov 2018 (passed first time)
FJO: Beginning of February 2019


Congrats, I hope you’re excited!
If you don’t mind sharing, what kind of position was it?



I am definitely excited. It's an analyst position.



Holy crap man, you went from CJO to FJO in eight months? That'a got to be a new record. I'm assuming you aren't a language analyst? We seem to get the short end of the stick...



No, not a language analyst position. Sorry about your short stick. :( Keeping my fingers crossed for you!

I definitely attribute my timeline to my recruiter, who was wonderful...and usually responded within the week. Unfortunately, from what I have read that seems to be the exception rather than the rule. Yes, it's true that they really don't know where you are in the process (especially once the BI/poly/psych stuff starts) because of the Privacy Act. However, I think it's important to try and maintain somewhat consistent contact. Every couple of weeks to months, I would think of random questions and shoot off an email. For example, I am currently a federal employee, so a lot of my questions had to do with how and what information to disclose to supervisors during this pre-employment phase; along with, how to handle promotional opportunities at my current agency, etc.

My unsolicited advice is this: if you're having trouble reaching your recruiter, try reaching out to the general NSA hire contact. I think it's a matter of trying to balance being persistent without being a pest. Additionally, I would suggest (although this is super obvious) being sure to respond to their requests for info the same day (I know, duh...) and sending follow-up emails asking them to confirm the receipt. I found that it took 1-3 "hey did you get that stuff I sent" messages before they replied, "we got you."


Did you already have a clearance before you applied?
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#96 Posted : Thursday, February 14, 2019 10:25:45 AM(UTC)
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I had my first contact with the Office of Personnel Security today just clearing up some things through email. Hopefully that means they are getting somewhere with my file. Does this mean that I am in adjudication? I have been in the process around 19 months now.
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#97 Posted : Friday, February 15, 2019 7:42:39 AM(UTC)
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I had my first contact with the Office of Personnel Security today just clearing up some things through email. Hopefully that means they are getting somewhere with my file. Does this mean that I am in adjudication? I have been in the process around 19 months now.


You aren't in adjudication until your BI, psych, and polys are completed. Adjudication means a final decision is being made regarding to your clearability. If those haven't happened yet you got a lonnnng way to go, my dude.
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#98 Posted : Friday, February 15, 2019 8:06:42 AM(UTC)
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06/2017 - Application
07/2017 - Interview
08/2017 - CJO
08/2017 - Forms Sent In
11/2017 - Psychological and Poly
01/2018 - Background Start (From when the investigator contacted me)
03/2018 - Background Followup (Background investigator contacted me to clarify some questions and said they were done and sending off my file)
02/2019 - Contacted by Office of Personnel Security to verify information

I'm hoping the process is being close to finished. This is the first contact I've had in 11 months.
Aaavery22  
#99 Posted : Friday, February 15, 2019 8:14:29 AM(UTC)
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I thought I'd share my timeline, although it's looking pretty bleak so far.

08/16 - Applied
1/17 - Screening Phone Interview
4/17 - Language Testing, Interview, CJO
5/17 - Forms Sent in
10/17 - Psych and Poly
11/17 - Investigator completed/sent off files
11/18 - Poly again (told that since a full year had passed I needed to come back in again)
1/19 - received voicemail saying they're still interested in me as an applicant

BatDog123  
#100 Posted : Friday, February 15, 2019 8:47:01 AM(UTC)
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03/2018 - Background Followup (Background investigator contacted me to clarify some questions and said they were done and sending off my file)
02/2019 - Contacted by Office of Personnel Security to verify information

I'm hoping the process is being close to finished. This is the first contact I've had in 11 months.


Man...... THAT is just rough, and disheartening. I'm only six months in, but seeing these timelines extend again are deflating.
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