Since any job could potentially be "short term" there's no sense in limiting yourself.

New grads are attractive to employers since they can pay you less AND you are still young and impressionable, eager to please, and haven't yet figured out what you can get away with and what you don't have to put up with (not like us old guys who have been around the block a few times).

Put your resume on clearancejobs.com and be prepared for your email to fill up with spam from recruiters. Hard to tell some of them from Nigerian banking scams.

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I just got through, timeline below. FYI, I'm a grad-studebt grad with little HUMINT applicable experience. There are a lot of you in the pool.

08/17- CJO
10/17- CPC
02/17- BI complete

12/18- call for in person interview

02/18- FJO

HUMINT

Edited by user Tuesday, February 12, 2019 4:32:17 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

1. For what purpose?
2. Its not good to just be giving our others info.

Well mission management may be unique in this regard since it's a small career field and there are apparently a lot more people on the MM cleared list than there are vacant MM billets.

This is part of the problem. I think this especially impacts some of the MM specialties because they include jobs which used to be filled by folks with more experience. The career field leadership and HR sometimes have to lean on hiring managers to get them to bring on new folks who sometimes have no intel background at all.

As far as downgrading the billets, I think that is already taking place. There are very very few billets below the 11 grade. Many people I meet seem to be in higher grade billets even though they came in at 7-10 grade. But that hiring manager is hoping that they can find someone with experience to fill those higher grade slots before agreeing to put a new hire in there.

Yes. You are making s#!t up. Again.

Well I applied in October 2016 and I'm expecting a FJO, hopefully, within the next few weeks. So it'll probably be about 2 1/2 years for me.

What they will tell you at Touchstone is you can apply to a different position within the same career field after 12 months and any position within the Agency after 24 months. E.g. since you are engineer with S&T, can you apply to a new position after a year but in must be within S&T and not another directorate. However, this isn't necessarily accurate as folks have been applying and starting new jobs outside their career field after only 12 months - its just you need approval from OHR, which apparently isn't that difficult to obtain.

So bottom line, you could probably get a new position after being in place one year. As far as upsetting any apple carts, some people hold grudges, some people don't. From what I've seen, people move around quite frequently, so I wouldn't worry about it much unless you make it a habit.

Be also advised you can REJECT the offer and go back into the hiring pool and try to wait for the location you want. But if you went through the approval process to get more $ then you will have to go through that again and the new approvers could say no. So there are risks either way.

If you signed a four year mobility agreement you may be stuck in S&T until it's over. Relocation would depend on exactly what you signed. That's what those do - lock you in. You'd be barred from leaving the agency and possibly your office (haven't seen what you signed) for that term unless you repaid the incentive money.

People who moved before that term was up more than likely didn't sign an incentive barring them from moving. Again, idk what you are being asked to sign but I would strongly counsel against the incentive. They don't offer that kind of money because they like you. They offer it because there's a high chance you'd leave without the indenturement.

They can't stop you from leaving but they can put golden handcuffs on. If you do sign it I would predict you should anticipate being unable to relocate for at least two years. Maybe more.

Be aware that they will take taxes out of that incentive under different rules. You will get to keep about half of it after taxes, and you will likely need permission (supervisor approved) to be considered for other roles. Since they do have a very hard time retaining tech talent, that may not be easy or probable.

Complaints from new hires about being in effective lockdown in their desks of hire have been met at the highest levels with words akin to love it or GTFO.

Welcome to DIA. I hope you love your new job and location because best bet is you're going to be there for 4 years, unless you take the job and say no to the four year incentive.

If you were a friend of mine I'd tell you to take the job and decline the four year handcuffs. 15% after taxes are out? Not worth being nailed down.

Edited by user Wednesday, April 17, 2019 9:04:28 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

I agree 15% is not even close to being worth it being worth it, if in fact its 48 months before you can do something else.

But check on that, the Agency does pay hard to fill supplements and the only paperwork one signs is that the bonus is subject to funding and therefore could end at any time but there is no stipulation that you have to stay in that billet for any given time. We just had someone join the Agency and was receiving the incentive then left after 4 mos to pursue a better opportunity - he never had a mobility agreement.