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HbS  
#1 Posted : Friday, July 26, 2019 1:42:35 PM(UTC)
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Do any non-supervisory civs have trouble with thier active duty subordinates? What have you done about it?
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#2 Posted : Friday, July 26, 2019 6:41:08 PM(UTC)
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I don't have 'active duty subordinates.' I have augmentees. Whole different category. But no, I have no trouble. They turn up, I give them their tasks, they execute, they go away. Kind of ideal, actually.
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#3 Posted : Friday, July 26, 2019 11:02:10 PM(UTC)
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For the most part, their professionism and the quality of thier work are abysmal. They work 4-6 hours per day. Some are squarely retired on active duty. This certainly is not an indictment of all, just the current rotation. I seem to be the ***** with standards that are too high. Normally, I wouldn't care enough to make it a thing, but I am responsible for assigning, approving and signing their work.

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#4 Posted : Saturday, July 27, 2019 3:58:16 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: HbS Go to Quoted Post
For the most part, their professionism and the quality of thier work are abysmal. They work 4-6 hour per day. Some are squarely retired on active duty. This certainly is not an indictment of all, just the current rotation. I seem to be the ***** with standards that are too high. Normally, I wouldn't care enough to make it a thing, but I am responsible for assigning, approving and signing thier work.


I don't know how things are where you are but the active duty types here are still expected to fulfill all of their military obligations, as well as their "day jobs". Our men and women are frequently up at 0500 for PT, during the day will have formations, training, "mandatory fun", etc.

You are not their primary obligation but if you think their behavior rises to the level of causing a negative effect on the mission then it should be pretty easy to identify their chain of command and start working up it until you get a response.
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#5 Posted : Saturday, July 27, 2019 10:15:21 AM(UTC)
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I was later told by one of my reports that the superintendent(s) had been telling the enlisted troops that they don't work for me, don't worry he is their rater, etc. The org chart and O5 clearly state differently.
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#6 Posted : Sunday, July 28, 2019 11:07:58 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: HbS Go to Quoted Post
Do any non-supervisory civs have trouble with thier active duty subordinates? What have you done about it?
If you are non-supervisory, you do not have any subordinates...military or civilian. The "NON" part of non-supervisory identifies the lack the lack of subordinates.

You may be a team lead...all the responsibility with none of the authority of being a supervisor, and if have this issue in this role, you can either:
Learn to be persuasive
or
Let the supervisor know they are not doing the required work.



You should have voted Cthulu...the greatest of all Evils
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GWPDA on 7/28/2019(UTC), FS0201 on 7/28/2019(UTC)
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