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#341 Posted : Monday, July 29, 2019 9:27:04 AM(UTC)
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It's not uncommon to fail the first polygraph, and have to go back for another one. Sometimes your nerves can just be through the roof and send mixed signals. A good night of sleep, being honest with your poly administrator, and having a clear mind are what I found to be extremely helpful. If something is worrying you during the poly, tell the poly administrator. They aren't there to "get you". They are just doing their job.

Yeah, I'm not paying any attention to the anti-polygraph stuff. I'm not lying so it would be incredibly stupid for me to make any attempts at "beating" the polygraph in any way. Doesn't make me any less nervous.

It was weird because I felt the anxiety each time they said I was lying. So I know that as soon as I felt it, no matter what I said would have shown up as a lie. I don't know how to control how I feel to fix that. I know it's pretty common to fail the first one. I just hope that since I was up at 5am two days in a row, along with a long day of psych testing before the poly is what accounted for it. At least I only have to do half of the questions over again and it's not until the afternoon. Hopefully being able to sleep in and it not being as long will help with whatever caused my anxiety with the certain questions asked.



NoStrings,

First of all. Glad to hear that your interview went well. I totally relate to you regarding the stress that you put on mentally preparing for the interview/psych/poly after presumably travelling some distance to be there. To ease your fears just a bit, the second time is much easier and you only have to repeat the section (CI or Background) of the poly that came back as failed or inconclusive. Each examiner has their own tactics and methods to make sure that you are focused on what is important and they all talk to each other, so your next examiner will likely use a strategy to isolate the questions that you had trouble with. While this can also be really intimidating, it makes it so much easier for you to tell the truth without producing one of the reactions that you had mentioned in your original post.

Just continue to tell the truth and remain sure of your answers and I am confident that you'll get a passing result to pursue your dream job. Good luck!

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#342 Posted : Monday, July 29, 2019 9:27:35 AM(UTC)
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The "test" is completely invalid and has no diagnostic value. The polygraph operators are indeed there to "get you." They are rated based on the admissions they obtain.



It is a required component in order to succeed at achieving employment with NSA. Regardless whether you think its invalid and has no value. ALL applicants have to take the polygraph without option. They aren't out to get anyone. They are screening for candor issues and potential threats that could be detrimental to national security. Getting the admissions out of a person is extremely vital when screening candidates for this agency.

So really, your advice has little to no value here.

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Yeah, I'm not paying any attention to the anti-polygraph stuff. I'm not lying so it would be incredibly stupid for me to make any attempts at "beating" the polygraph in any way. Doesn't make me any less nervous.

It was weird because I felt the anxiety each time they said I was lying. So I know that as soon as I felt it, no matter what I said would have shown up as a lie. I don't know how to control how I feel to fix that. I know it's pretty common to fail the first one. I just hope that since I was up at 5am two days in a row, along with a long day of psych testing before the poly is what accounted for it. At least I only have to do half of the questions over again and it's not until the afternoon. Hopefully being able to sleep in and it not being as long will help with whatever caused my anxiety with the certain questions asked.



If I had to take the polygraph AFTER the psych, I would have been a bundle of nerves also. I felt like some sort of loon after that portion, lol. Just try to clear your mind before hand, and speak with the poly administrator before hand with any concerns you may have. My poly administrator was extremely helpful and reassuring.

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So out of curiosity, when you all were contacted by your BI, were you called or did you receive an email?

I received a phone call.
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#343 Posted : Monday, July 29, 2019 12:26:59 PM(UTC)
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Hey everyone. I guess I'm getting antsy about this while at my current job and was curious as to the general timeline so far in 2019. Using partially incomplete data from all who contributed to this 2019 thread, I wanted to let you know the information below. For entries using MM/YYYY format, I've changed them to MM/01/YYYY for analysis purposes. if you have any questions, please let me know. I have all of the timelines in an Excel spreadsheet and can reference them if need be.

⚫️ Of 10 people who have reported receiving a FJO 🎓 (from Interview to FJO)
- Shortest: 151 days [LoudSoup, MChief, Rocky402]
- Median: 181 days [Palmetto007, PenguinProgrammer]
- Average: 243 days
- Longest: 580 days [Broncos55]

⚫️ Of 40 timeline posters on this thread (from application and last activity)
- Shortest: 30 days [Jonny Blaze]
- Median: 273 days [Mchief, darkstallion]
- Average: 288 days
- Longest: 669 days [Coldgin]

⚫️ Lengths of time between portions of candidacy 📅
◽️ Application to Interview
- Shortest: 30 days
- Median: 61 days
- Longest: 548 days

◽️ Interview to CJO
- Shortest: 0 days
- Median: 31 days
- Longest: 92 days

◽️ CJO to e-QIP
- Shortest: 0 days
- Median: 0 days
- Longest: 64 days

◽️ e-QIP to BI Interview
- Shortest: 0 days
- Median: 61 days
- Longest: 245 days

◽️ CJO to Poly & Psych
- Shortest: 30 days
- Median: 121 days
- Longest: 275 days

◽️ Poly & Psych to FJO
- Shortest: 28 days [Rocky402]
- Median: 75 days [Palmetto007]
- Average: 115 days
- Longest: 457 days [Broncos55]
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George Maschke  
#344 Posted : Monday, July 29, 2019 7:47:20 PM(UTC)
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The "test" is completely invalid and has no diagnostic value. The polygraph operators are indeed there to "get you." They are rated based on the admissions they obtain.



It is a required component in order to succeed at achieving employment with NSA. Regardless whether you think its invalid and has no value. ALL applicants have to take the polygraph without option. They aren't out to get anyone. They are screening for candor issues and potential threats that could be detrimental to national security. Getting the admissions out of a person is extremely vital when screening candidates for this agency.

So really, your advice has little to no value here.


That polygraphy is invalid as a diagnostic test is not just my opinion. It is well-established scientific consensus.

You are mistaken to suppose that my advice has "little to no value" owing to the fact that polygraph screening is mandatory. Because polygraph screening is also invalid, applicants for employment with NSA and other federal agencies with a polygraph screening requirement face a significant risk of being arbitrarily and falsely accused of lying, and being disqualified for life. A polygraph operator's false accusation will be shared with any other federal agency requiring a security clearance with which one applies in the future, so the career harm can be widespread and lasting.

There are simple things one can do to mitigate the risk of failing the polygraph despite telling the truth. Such things include avoiding behaviors that polygraph operators are trained to believe are signs of deception and avoiding offering rationales for why one might have reacted to any relevant question. It behooves everyone facing polygraph screening to educate him- or herself regarding such matters.
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#345 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2019 5:53:26 AM(UTC)
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Hi all! Another long time lurker, thought I'd share my timeline!

07/18: Applied for position
10/18: Operational Interview and CJO
12/18: eQip
01/19: Contacted by BI
02/19: Formally interviewed by BI
05/19: Psych Eval and First Poly
07/19: Second Poly(Passed!)
07/19: Contacted by Office of Personnel Security

I'm really looking forward to finally getting an answer, hopefully it's soon. Obviously though, I know it can take some time. Also, would anyone happen to know if that last step means I've entered adjudication? Thanks to everyone that's posted here in the past, reading through has always been very reassuring and helpful!
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#346 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2019 8:09:23 AM(UTC)
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Hey guys, I've been reading this forum for a while now, just wanted to share my timeline as well:

02/19 - Applied
03/19 - Phone Interview (Told that I would be recommended for CJO)
04/19 - Call from the recruiter with salary info and a formal verbal offer
05/19 - Written CJO/equip
05/19 - Sent in transcripts
05/19 - Email from security for extra info.
06/19 - Security processing started

Got an email from the interviewer that security clearance takes 4-6 months to complete.

Thanks,
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#347 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2019 8:29:06 AM(UTC)
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Hey guys, I've been reading this forum for a while now, just wanted to share my timeline as well:

02/19 - Applied
03/19 - Phone Interview (Told that I would be recommended for CJO)
04/19 - Call from the recruiter with salary info and a formal verbal offer
05/19 - Written CJO/equip
05/19 - Sent in transcripts
05/19 - Email from security for extra info.
06/19 - Security processing started

Got an email from the interviewer that security clearance takes 4-6 months to complete.

Thanks,

What job was this process for?
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#348 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2019 9:03:39 PM(UTC)

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Here's mine:

Winter 17/Spring 18: Not sure when I exactly applied for this exact position
05/18: Voicemail to schedule interview
06/18: Operational Interview & Verbal CJO
06/18: Phone Screen / Recruiter
08/18: Status Update Requested / New Recruiter Assigned
09/18: CJO Package / Negotiation
12/18: CJO Letter
12/18: eQIP Received & Completed
01/19: Credit Pulled
05/19: Generic Status Update email/suitability phase
06/19: Invite for on-site
07/19: Poly/psych (done)

Recruiter mentioned should have an update in 6-8 weeks...no mention of BI (maybe they used my most-recent OPM-BI...who knows...maybe I'll get a call any day now)





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#349 Posted : Wednesday, July 31, 2019 4:21:30 AM(UTC)
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It was weird because I felt the anxiety each time they said I was lying. So I know that as soon as I felt it, no matter what I said would have shown up as a lie. I don't know how to control how I feel to fix that. I know it's pretty common to fail the first one. I just hope that since I was up at 5am two days in a row, along with a long day of psych testing before the poly is what accounted for it. At least I only have to do half of the questions over again and it's not until the afternoon. Hopefully being able to sleep in and it not being as long will help with whatever caused my anxiety with the certain questions asked.



If I had to take the polygraph AFTER the psych, I would have been a bundle of nerves also. I felt like some sort of loon after that portion, lol. Just try to clear your mind before hand, and speak with the poly administrator before hand with any concerns you may have. My poly administrator was extremely helpful and reassuring.

It was a very long day to say the least. I just wanted it to be over with. When they said I failed the polygraph I was very frustrated and just wanted it to be done!
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#350 Posted : Wednesday, July 31, 2019 7:07:35 AM(UTC)
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◽️ CJO to Poly & Psych
- Shortest: 30 days
- Median: 121 days
- Longest: 275 days




I'm at 545 days since CJO with no Poly and Psych scheduled
not_real_throwaway  
#351 Posted : Wednesday, July 31, 2019 4:51:18 PM(UTC)
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11/18: Applied
11/18: Told they'd schedule a math test soon
2/19: They actually scheduled the math test even though I'd been pestering them for 3 months
2/19: Take math test
3/19: Got CJO (at a pretty undervalued salary based on their own brackets and my credentials and experience, but told I can't negotiate until later), asked for e-qip forms. Three or four times between 3/19 and 5/19 they send e-qip back asking for trivial changes, which take about two hours to do each time
5/19: Told my forms were accepted and my investigation has started
5/19: Met an investigator in person and he talked to me + some of my friends and coworkers
7/19: Told I'm in suitability checking, polygraph and psych schedule for 8/19

No idea how long it'll take to actually get a CJO (if I do) after 8/19. The CJO I got was also pretty unfair but I keep being told that I can't negotiate until I get to the FJO stage, which I am half expecting them to refuse to do at that point as well.
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#352 Posted : Thursday, August 1, 2019 7:32:29 AM(UTC)
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Hi all, I've been lurking for a while and also finally decided to post my timeline. I have a DoD TS/SCI w/ CI Poly. I'm kind of stuck in limbo, waiting for my processing to go through. I've gotten advice that I should just take a job and then put in my two weeks when NSA gets back to me, but it just feels scummy to leave after several months. So instead I've been driving for Uber and delivering food while waiting for a temporary position to pop up. I'm hoping NSA gets back to me soon.

Anyone else with a TS/SCI have a similar processing time? Do they have to do the entire background investigation again? I still haven't taken the FS Poly yet and still waiting to hear back on my SF86 forms. They mentioned 6-9 months until FJO.

1/19: Applied
3/19: Took Exam
4/19: On-site Interview
4/19: CJO
5/19: Submitted SF86

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#353 Posted : Thursday, August 1, 2019 7:54:59 AM(UTC)
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Hi all, I've been lurking for a while and also finally decided to post my timeline. I have a DoD TS/SCI w/ CI Poly. I'm kind of stuck in limbo, waiting for my processing to go through. I've gotten advice that I should just take a job and then put in my two weeks when NSA gets back to me, but it just feels scummy to leave after several months. So instead I've been driving for Uber and delivering food while waiting for a temporary position to pop up. I'm hoping NSA gets back to me soon.

Anyone else with a TS/SCI have a similar processing time? Do they have to do the entire background investigation again? I still haven't taken the FS Poly yet and still waiting to hear back on my SF86 forms. They mentioned 6-9 months until FJO.

1/19: Applied
3/19: Took Exam
4/19: On-site Interview
4/19: CJO
5/19: Submitted SF86


I started with a DOD SCI and CI Poly. I got my CJO 09/18 and finally cleared 07/19. So you are not actively utilizing your clearance?
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#354 Posted : Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:01:32 AM(UTC)
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@velcroTech No, I'm not unfortunately. I haven't been taking full-time jobs since I've received the conditional offer (I also recently graduated with a second degree). I'll PM you.

EDIT: Your inbox is full. Is there a "transition" time period for when you get an FJO and the EOD date? Do they give you time to transition out of your current career?

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#355 Posted : Thursday, August 1, 2019 12:45:27 PM(UTC)
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09/18 - Applied
09/18 - Resume/Transcripts requested
10/18 - Recruiter Introduction/Scheduling of Interview
11/18 - Interviewed
12/18 - CJO
12/18 - eQIP submitted
01/19 - Credit Pulled
04/19 - Poly (Passed)
04/19 - Psych Completed, Documents Requested
05/19 - Requested documents returned
07/19 - BI Subject Interview face to face, with current employer also.



08/19 - Recruiter notified me that the remainder of my processing could take 4-6 months average.


Days since applying: 332
Days since Interview: 265
Days since CJO: 240
Days since SF86 submission: 224
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#356 Posted : Thursday, August 1, 2019 3:51:17 PM(UTC)
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NSA timeline

Applied 1/15/19
Phone interview request 1/22/19
Phone interview 1/29/19
Operational interview scheduled 2/27/19
Operational interview 3/29/19
CJO call received 4/12/19
CJO paperwork received 4/19/19
eQIP received 6/21/19
eQIP submitted 6/22/19
Request for more information/ info submitted 6/24/19
Soft Credit Check 6/27/19


8/1/19 - Contacted by BI to schedule interview
8/2/19 - Scheduled interview with BI
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#357 Posted : Friday, August 2, 2019 4:49:57 AM(UTC)
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11/18: Applied
11/18: Told they'd schedule a math test soon
2/19: They actually scheduled the math test even though I'd been pestering them for 3 months
2/19: Take math test
3/19: Got CJO (at a pretty undervalued salary based on their own brackets and my credentials and experience, but told I can't negotiate until later), asked for e-qip forms. Three or four times between 3/19 and 5/19 they send e-qip back asking for trivial changes, which take about two hours to do each time
5/19: Told my forms were accepted and my investigation has started
5/19: Met an investigator in person and he talked to me + some of my friends and coworkers
7/19: Told I'm in suitability checking, polygraph and psych schedule for 8/19

No idea how long it'll take to actually get a CJO (if I do) after 8/19. The CJO I got was also pretty unfair but I keep being told that I can't negotiate until I get to the FJO stage, which I am half expecting them to refuse to do at that point as well.

What do you mean "No idea how long it'll take to actually get a CJO (if I do) after 8/19." You already have a CJO?
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#358 Posted : Friday, August 2, 2019 7:11:01 AM(UTC)
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11/18: Applied
11/18: Told they'd schedule a math test soon
2/19: They actually scheduled the math test even though I'd been pestering them for 3 months
2/19: Take math test
3/19: Got CJO (at a pretty undervalued salary based on their own brackets and my credentials and experience, but told I can't negotiate until later), asked for e-qip forms. Three or four times between 3/19 and 5/19 they send e-qip back asking for trivial changes, which take about two hours to do each time
5/19: Told my forms were accepted and my investigation has started
5/19: Met an investigator in person and he talked to me + some of my friends and coworkers
7/19: Told I'm in suitability checking, polygraph and psych schedule for 8/19

No idea how long it'll take to actually get a CJO (if I do) after 8/19. The CJO I got was also pretty unfair but I keep being told that I can't negotiate until I get to the FJO stage, which I am half expecting them to refuse to do at that point as well.

What do you mean "No idea how long it'll take to actually get a CJO (if I do) after 8/19." You already have a CJO?


Oops, I meant "no idea how long it'll take to actually get a FJO (if I do get an FJO)". I got a CJO 5 months ago.
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#359 Posted : Monday, August 5, 2019 3:10:35 PM(UTC)
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Hello all,

I am going to share my journey to this point.

10/2018 (or thereabouts) - Applied to several positions
12/2018 - First interview
12/2018 - Prescreen interview
12/2018 - Sent in transcripts and DD214
1/2019 - CJO
1/2019 - E-qip sent and SF-86 completed
2/2019 - Interview for another position
2/2019 - CJO
2/2019 - Took CNT
3/2019 - Face to face sit down with the investigator
3/2019 - Interview for the third and fourth position
3/2019 - CJO for position three of four
3/2019 - Scheduled for Poly, Psych, and HR Interview
4/2019 - Called to be informed of fourth CJO coming soon
4/2019 - Second face to face sit down with the investigator
Now...just waiting

My recruiters have been very helpful at every step in this process. For those wondering, I am former military and have literally no social life (lol) outside of my wife, children, and family. I guess it pays to be boring. Thanks to all others who have shared.


4/2019 - Passed poly and sending requested docs for psych


4/2019 - Psych Eval completed


7/2019 - Cleared security
8/2019 - FJO accepted
9/2019 - EOD

It was a long process but staying in communication with the recruiters made it easier. For those who are wondering, I accepted a STEM position.
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#360 Posted : Tuesday, August 6, 2019 5:34:19 AM(UTC)
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Hello all,

I am going to share my journey to this point.

10/2018 (or thereabouts) - Applied to several positions
12/2018 - First interview
12/2018 - Prescreen interview
12/2018 - Sent in transcripts and DD214
1/2019 - CJO
1/2019 - E-qip sent and SF-86 completed
2/2019 - Interview for another position
2/2019 - CJO
2/2019 - Took CNT
3/2019 - Face to face sit down with the investigator
3/2019 - Interview for the third and fourth position
3/2019 - CJO for position three of four
3/2019 - Scheduled for Poly, Psych, and HR Interview
4/2019 - Called to be informed of fourth CJO coming soon
4/2019 - Second face to face sit down with the investigator
Now...just waiting

My recruiters have been very helpful at every step in this process. For those wondering, I am former military and have literally no social life (lol) outside of my wife, children, and family. I guess it pays to be boring. Thanks to all others who have shared.


4/2019 - Passed poly and sending requested docs for psych


4/2019 - Psych Eval completed


7/2019 - Cleared security
8/2019 - FJO accepted
9/2019 - EOD

It was a long process but staying in communication with the recruiters made it easier. For those who are wondering, I accepted a STEM position.


Congratulations on your FJO/EOD!!!

Did they notify you that you cleared separately with your final offer soon to follow? Or did they just tell you that you cleared and left you waiting on the next step?

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