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Bess  
#21 Posted : Sunday, June 28, 2020 5:26:35 AM(UTC)
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Are you a vet. Heard if you are a vet you are exempted from being furloughed, don't know if this is true but 2 people I know that are vet didn't get the notice so I assume that is the case. Hopefully this furlough doesn't go through as the email sent out said 3567 notices have been sent out to service centers employees and if my calculation is right it means about 600 was furloughed from each service centers....Congress should act now
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#22 Posted : Sunday, June 28, 2020 5:37:44 AM(UTC)
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Veteran status is a consideration and gives you priority, but it does not make you immune. Many vets have been furloughed unfortunately.
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#23 Posted : Sunday, June 28, 2020 5:49:31 AM(UTC)
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It's based on RIF procedure for 30+ day separations/furloughs. You'll be ranked against others in the office, though Service Computation Date is a bigger factor in the retention rankings (and then you can tack on preferences and performance ratings). Per OPM,

"The law provides that OPM's RIF regulations must give effect to four factors in releasing employees:

tenure of employment (e.g., type of appointment);
veterans' preference;
length of service; and
performance ratings."

Nothing from RAIO yet based on what I've heard. I'm still (remotely) hopeful that they include our funding in the 2nd round of stimulus, which gives Congress a hard deadline of July 31 when the economic relief expires. If nothing happens, then the congressional recess -- August 3 to September 3 -- guarantees us at least 1 month of furloughs. And because we're a fee-funded agency and they're so strapped for cash, I don't expect us to receive back pay in that event.
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#24 Posted : Sunday, June 28, 2020 8:55:24 AM(UTC)
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The Vermont Service Center employees received their notices late Friday night. People with many years of service and/or military are included in the furlough.
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There are officers with 34 years experience that have been furloughed and officers with <4 years experience and no vet preference that kept their jobs. Unreal. No rhyme or reason. Certainly not following the CFR.
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There are officers with 34 years experience that have been furloughed and officers with <4 years experience and no vet preference that kept their jobs. Unreal. No rhyme or reason. Certainly not following the CFR.


that totally sucks.

what kind of math are they using?



this needs to be investigated.


what is the union doing about it?




Moving to CN, and you can't stop me!!!
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#27 Posted : Sunday, June 28, 2020 2:38:41 PM(UTC)
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Are just service center employees being furloughed? What about field offices?
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#28 Posted : Sunday, June 28, 2020 3:07:52 PM(UTC)

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Are just service center employees being furloughed? What about field offices?


They should be getting hit as well.
Mike in VT  
#29 Posted : Sunday, June 28, 2020 3:09:47 PM(UTC)

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There are officers with 34 years experience that have been furloughed and officers with <4 years experience and no vet preference that kept their jobs. Unreal. No rhyme or reason. Certainly not following the CFR.


that totally sucks.

what kind of math are they using?



this needs to be investigated.


what is the union doing about it?


I’m sure there will be complaints to the union tomorrow, followed by grievances.

Nice user name. Wash Ave was my seminar at Basic.
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#30 Posted : Sunday, June 28, 2020 5:14:24 PM(UTC)
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I'm so sorry to all of those who have received their notices. From what I've asked around, no one from my office has received a notice. I'm expecting the majority of offices will receive notices tomorrow. It's going to be a long day.
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#31 Posted : Sunday, June 28, 2020 6:16:00 PM(UTC)
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The notices for my office will go out Monday morning. Horrible way to start your work week.
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#32 Posted : Sunday, June 28, 2020 7:58:50 PM(UTC)
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There are officers with 34 years experience that have been furloughed and officers with <4 years experience and no vet preference that kept their jobs. Unreal. No rhyme or reason. Certainly not following the CFR.


that totally sucks.

what kind of math are they using?



this needs to be investigated.


what is the union doing about it?


I’m sure there will be complaints to the union tomorrow, followed by grievances.

Nice user name. Wash Ave was my seminar at Basic.

From what I have heard on the town hall it will go by grade. So if the person with 34 years is the same grade as <4 years this is an issue. Plus, recently they told us that they plan to keep more adjudicators than supervisors.
It’s a hard time for everyone, no one wants to be furloughed.
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#33 Posted : Sunday, June 28, 2020 8:43:48 PM(UTC)
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There are officers with 34 years experience that have been furloughed and officers with <4 years experience and no vet preference that kept their jobs. Unreal. No rhyme or reason. Certainly not following the CFR.


that totally sucks.

what kind of math are they using?



this needs to be investigated.


what is the union doing about it?


I’m sure there will be complaints to the union tomorrow, followed by grievances.

Nice user name. Wash Ave was my seminar at Basic.

From what I have heard on the town hall it will go by grade. So if the person with 34 years is the same grade as <4 years this is an issue. Plus, recently they told us that they plan to keep more adjudicators than supervisors.
It’s a hard time for everyone, no one wants to be furloughed.



I'm a 30% disabled vet and a gs 12 who was furloughed, and I know at least two gs 7s who have been at the TSC for less than a year not get furloughed. My wife started with them. Getting furloughed sucks, but it would be nice to know how they decided
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#34 Posted : Monday, June 29, 2020 3:26:41 AM(UTC)
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There are officers with 34 years experience that have been furloughed and officers with <4 years experience and no vet preference that kept their jobs. Unreal. No rhyme or reason. Certainly not following the CFR.


that totally sucks.

what kind of math are they using?



this needs to be investigated.


what is the union doing about it?


I’m sure there will be complaints to the union tomorrow, followed by grievances.

Nice user name. Wash Ave was my seminar at Basic.

From what I have heard on the town hall it will go by grade. So if the person with 34 years is the same grade as <4 years this is an issue. Plus, recently they told us that they plan to keep more adjudicators than supervisors.
It’s a hard time for everyone, no one wants to be furloughed.



I'm a 30% disabled vet and a gs 12 who was furloughed, and I know at least two gs 7s who have been at the TSC for less than a year not get furloughed. My wife started with them. Getting furloughed sucks, but it would be nice to know how they decided


Are you retired military? You don't get RIF Preference if you are (unless disability is combat related reasons). I'm in a Field Office, no notices yet for our office that I know of. Probably today.
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#35 Posted : Monday, June 29, 2020 3:48:09 AM(UTC)
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There are officers with 34 years experience that have been furloughed and officers with <4 years experience and no vet preference that kept their jobs. Unreal. No rhyme or reason. Certainly not following the CFR.


that totally sucks.

what kind of math are they using?



this needs to be investigated.


what is the union doing about it?


I’m sure there will be complaints to the union tomorrow, followed by grievances.

Nice user name. Wash Ave was my seminar at Basic.

From what I have heard on the town hall it will go by grade. So if the person with 34 years is the same grade as <4 years this is an issue. Plus, recently they told us that they plan to keep more adjudicators than supervisors.
It’s a hard time for everyone, no one wants to be furloughed.



I'm a 30% disabled vet and a gs 12 who was furloughed, and I know at least two gs 7s who have been at the TSC for less than a year not get furloughed. My wife started with them. Getting furloughed sucks, but it would be nice to know how they decided


Are you retired military? You don't get RIF Preference if you are (unless disability is combat related reasons). I'm in a Field Office, no notices yet for our office that I know of. Probably today.


No I'm not retired military and my disability is combat related.
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#36 Posted : Monday, June 29, 2020 5:29:38 AM(UTC)

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There are officers with 34 years experience that have been furloughed and officers with <4 years experience and no vet preference that kept their jobs. Unreal. No rhyme or reason. Certainly not following the CFR.


that totally sucks.

what kind of math are they using?



this needs to be investigated.


what is the union doing about it?


I’m sure there will be complaints to the union tomorrow, followed by grievances.

Nice user name. Wash Ave was my seminar at Basic.

From what I have heard on the town hall it will go by grade. So if the person with 34 years is the same grade as <4 years this is an issue. Plus, recently they told us that they plan to keep more adjudicators than supervisors.
It’s a hard time for everyone, no one wants to be furloughed.


The CFR does not allow for that type of breakdown. It clearly states:

§ 351.601Order of release from competitive level.
(a) Each agency must select competing employees for release from a competitive level (including release from a competitive level involving a pay band) under this part in the inverse order of retention standing, beginning with the employee with the lowest retention standing on the retention register. AN AGENCY MAY NOT RELEASE A COMPETING EMPLOYEE FROM A COMPETITIVE LEVEL WHILE RETAINING IN THAT LEVEL AN EMPLOYEE WITH LOWER RETENTION STANDING
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#37 Posted : Monday, June 29, 2020 6:37:17 AM(UTC)
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The CFR does not allow for that type of breakdown. It clearly states:

§ 351.601Order of release from competitive level.
(a) Each agency must select competing employees for release from a competitive level (including release from a competitive level involving a pay band) under this part in the inverse order of retention standing, beginning with the employee with the lowest retention standing on the retention register. AN AGENCY MAY NOT RELEASE A COMPETING EMPLOYEE FROM A COMPETITIVE LEVEL WHILE RETAINING IN THAT LEVEL AN EMPLOYEE WITH LOWER RETENTION STANDING


Correct. Maybe I didn't make myself clear.
I am saying that employee with 34 years of service that got furloughed probably a higher grade than employee with less than 4 years of service.
Same with oujosh29, he is 12, and people that he is talking about are 7. We can't compare one with other, they are different levels.
Now if I am 12 with say 5 years, non-vet and oujosh29 is 12, 5 years and vet and he is let go and I stayed, this is an issue.
But if I am 7 with 5 years non vet and he is 12 with 5 years, vet we are in different categories.
Example from real life: my furlough notice saying that SCD for my category is 3-4 years LESS than for vets with 5-10 point preference. So if I started in 2004 and vet started in 2000, we have the same chance NOT getting furloughed. (We don't talk about other factors here, just that).
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#38 Posted : Monday, June 29, 2020 6:56:30 AM(UTC)
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The CFR does not allow for that type of breakdown. It clearly states:

§ 351.601Order of release from competitive level.
(a) Each agency must select competing employees for release from a competitive level (including release from a competitive level involving a pay band) under this part in the inverse order of retention standing, beginning with the employee with the lowest retention standing on the retention register. AN AGENCY MAY NOT RELEASE A COMPETING EMPLOYEE FROM A COMPETITIVE LEVEL WHILE RETAINING IN THAT LEVEL AN EMPLOYEE WITH LOWER RETENTION STANDING


Correct. Maybe I didn't make myself clear.
I am saying that employee with 34 years of service that got furloughed probably a higher grade than employee with less than 4 years of service.
Same with oujosh29, he is 12, and people that he is talking about are 7. We can't compare one with other, they are different levels.
Now if I am 12 with say 5 years, non-vet and oujosh29 is 12, 5 years and vet and he is let go and I stayed, this is an issue.
But if I am 7 with 5 years non vet and he is 12 with 5 years, vet we are in different categories.
Example from real life: my furlough notice saying that SCD for my category is 3-4 years LESS than for vets with 5-10 point preference. So if I started in 2004 and vet started in 2000, we have the same chance NOT getting furloughed. (We don't talk about other factors here, just that).


I get that logic, the competition is within the same grade level. So 5 level 12s stay, 5 level 9s, etc. I understand the logic, so they wouldn't have nothing but level 12s or above staying. However, if thats the way it is they have done a really bad job telling people.
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#39 Posted : Monday, June 29, 2020 7:27:46 AM(UTC)
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The CFR does not allow for that type of breakdown. It clearly states:

§ 351.601Order of release from competitive level.
(a) Each agency must select competing employees for release from a competitive level (including release from a competitive level involving a pay band) under this part in the inverse order of retention standing, beginning with the employee with the lowest retention standing on the retention register. AN AGENCY MAY NOT RELEASE A COMPETING EMPLOYEE FROM A COMPETITIVE LEVEL WHILE RETAINING IN THAT LEVEL AN EMPLOYEE WITH LOWER RETENTION STANDING


Correct. Maybe I didn't make myself clear.
I am saying that employee with 34 years of service that got furloughed probably a higher grade than employee with less than 4 years of service.
Same with oujosh29, he is 12, and people that he is talking about are 7. We can't compare one with other, they are different levels.
Now if I am 12 with say 5 years, non-vet and oujosh29 is 12, 5 years and vet and he is let go and I stayed, this is an issue.
But if I am 7 with 5 years non vet and he is 12 with 5 years, vet we are in different categories.
Example from real life: my furlough notice saying that SCD for my category is 3-4 years LESS than for vets with 5-10 point preference. So if I started in 2004 and vet started in 2000, we have the same chance NOT getting furloughed. (We don't talk about other factors here, just that).


I get that logic, the competition is within the same grade level. So 5 level 12s stay, 5 level 9s, etc. I understand the logic, so they wouldn't have nothing but level 12s or above staying. However, if thats the way it is they have done a really bad job telling people.


Ok, I got errors in my logic. Please, disregard. :)
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Pay grades have nothing to do with the furlough selection. SCD only.

So information is going out that major errors were made with the furlough selections. Looks like we're going to be going through this again.
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