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SmilesPLC  
#1 Posted : Thursday, July 23, 2020 6:53:18 AM(UTC)
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I have held different positions at the GS-12 level. I was a Personnel Security Spec GS-12-080 series for 11 months; however, I have been a GS-12 for 20 years. I went from Personnel Security, to Budget Analyst. to Auditor. I now want to apply for a GS-13 Personnel Security Spec position. Since I was a GS-12-080 Personnel Security Spec for 11 months and not a year, do I qualify for the GS-13 since I have been a GS-12 for 20 years?
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#2 Posted : Thursday, July 23, 2020 8:00:44 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: SmilesPLC Go to Quoted Post
I have held different positions at the GS-12 level. I was a Personnel Security Spec GS-12-080 series for 11 months; however, I have been a GS-12 for 20 years. I went from Personnel Security, to Budget Analyst. to Auditor. I now want to apply for a GS-13 Personnel Security Spec position. Since I was a GS-12-080 Personnel Security Spec for 11 months and not a year, do I qualify for the GS-13 since I have been a GS-12 for 20 years?

I'm not a personnel expert, but I think you will need to closely review the specialized experience statement in the vacancy announcement. While you may technically meet the time-in-grade requirements, the specialized experience statement sometimes requires one year of experience doing the expected type of work at the next lower grade level (or equivalent). Here is an example from a current GS-13 Personnel Security Specialist vacancy announcement:

To be considered minimally qualified for this position, you must demonstrate that you have the required specialized
experience for the grade level for which you are applying. Applicants must have at least one year of specialized experience
equivalent to the GS-12 grade level in federal service
which demonstrates: 1)Determining the suitability/fitness and security clearance eligibility for individuals; 2) Initiating and tracking the pre-employment background investigations; 3) Preparing correspondence related to personnel security adjudication process; and 4) Reviewing and adjudicating personnel security investigations.

Note the language in bold. Unless you have another month of experience doing that type of work, it could cause an HR person to screen you out.
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#3 Posted : Thursday, July 23, 2020 8:21:06 AM(UTC)
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Thank you very much - this helps.
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I definitely wouldn't let it stop me from applying. In my experience, this kind of thing can go either way. Search your 20 years of experience for things you have done that arguably meet the actual job description and requirements in the announcement - emphasize those in your cover letter and resume.

Good Luck!

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I definitely wouldn't let it stop me from applying. In my experience, this kind of thing can go either way. Search your 20 years of experience for things you have done that arguably meet the actual job description and requirements in the announcement - emphasize those in your cover letter and resume.

Good Luck!

Absolutely. I didn't mean to dissuade an application. If you have experience that fits, regardless of in what position, answer yes to the specialized experience question and be sure it is readily apparent in the application. As an aside, I have never used a cover letter for a federal position, and I do not know of any HR techs or specialists that review cover letters during the minimal qualification determination. I suppose it could be helpful if it is actually reviewed, but I would suggest making the experience stand out in the application/resume.

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#6 Posted : Thursday, July 23, 2020 10:22:29 AM(UTC)
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Thanks Guys. I truly thank you for the advice and encouraging words - today is not a good day for me. I did apply for the position - keeping my fingers crossed.
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Thanks Guys. I truly thank you for the advice and encouraging words - today is not a good day for me. I did apply for the position - keeping my fingers crossed.


It depends on what you are applying for...


At GS 13 you colkd be at a manager level and it’s where people tend to enter fed service or easily transfer jobs.

9-11-12 jobs are generally favored toward internal candidates

7 — are entry levrl

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#8 Posted : Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:07:11 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: smithandjones Go to Quoted Post
I definitely wouldn't let it stop me from applying. In my experience, this kind of thing can go either way. Search your 20 years of experience for things you have done that arguably meet the actual job description and requirements in the announcement - emphasize those in your cover letter and resume.

Good Luck!


This^. Apply anyway.
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:12:19 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: smithandjones Go to Quoted Post
I definitely wouldn't let it stop me from applying. In my experience, this kind of thing can go either way. Search your 20 years of experience for things you have done that arguably meet the actual job description and requirements in the announcement - emphasize those in your cover letter and resume.

Good Luck!

Absolutely. I didn't mean to dissuade an application. If you have experience that fits, regardless of in what position, answer yes to the specialized experience question and be sure it is readily apparent in the application. As an aside, I have never used a cover letter for a federal position, and I do not know of any HR techs or specialists that review cover letters during the minimal qualification determination. I suppose it could be helpful if it is actually reviewed, but I would suggest making the experience stand out in the application/resume.



I look at it as that extra "umph" when adding a cover letter and I can honestly say at my last interview (for my current position), the head member of my interview board had a copy of my cover letter in front of him. Many look at it as a "waste" and that may be, but it doesn't hurt (even though my resume will convey the actual position requirements experience).
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The cover letter helps if you want yo try and sell why you feel you are qualified such as changing job series and departments.
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Originally Posted by: SmilesPLC Go to Quoted Post
I have held different positions at the GS-12 level. I was a Personnel Security Spec GS-12-080 series for 11 months; however, I have been a GS-12 for 20 years. I went from Personnel Security, to Budget Analyst. to Auditor. I now want to apply for a GS-13 Personnel Security Spec position. Since I was a GS-12-080 Personnel Security Spec for 11 months and not a year, do I qualify for the GS-13 since I have been a GS-12 for 20 years?


You can certainly apply and be considered. The only requirement to be considered for a 13 is 1 year TIG as a 12. However you have a steep slope to climb in getting an actual interview. Once a panel starts resume review, you'd have to seriously sell 11 month of experience to a senior reviewer's position. I'd expect a GS11 to know what the 13 adjudicating factors are. For a GS13, I'd expect them to tell me of times where they've applied them on difficult cases and how they came to conclusions.

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