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William Walter Watkins  
#321 Posted : Saturday, July 25, 2020 5:59:40 PM(UTC)
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DynamoOwl, that's exactly why I posted an update. Everyone here helped me keep my sanity during this process. I think I was going to quit dozens of times and take another job. I owe all you folks for helping me thru this. Also, just a reminder, if you do get in please call and thank everyone that was part of your SF86.

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#322 Posted : Saturday, July 25, 2020 6:41:44 PM(UTC)
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Hey everyone, I've been employed for a few weeks now. Just wanted to give everyone that is pending or those that are waiting a little update.

Pro's
1. This job is awesome, it almost makes up for the horrendous hiring process.
2. My co-workers are really interesting and I really like my part of the agency.
3. Learning/Training is highly encouraged, strong emphasis on continuing education, at least in my part of the agency.
4. Lots of flexibility and multiple career paths

Cons
1. World's worst hiring process
2. Covid will continue to mess up your timelines, even after being hired, adjustments are being made to keep everyone safe.
3. I listed training as a pro, because I like learning but it will also take quite a long time to get up to speed.
4. I work with lots of younger people, so there's an age gap that is more prominent here than other companies I have worked for.


My only regret is not starting sooner. Those younger people I work with came from areas where the NSA had recruited or had a strong presence(colleges/high schools). If I had applied earlier it would've made the background checks much easier too. Totally my fault, I really lacked career focus in my youth. I wish you all good luck in the coming months, I can personally say it was worth the wait.


Sounds great! About the age gap thing... what do you think the normal age is? Would you be willing to post how old you are? I'm in my late 20 (hopefully I'm still in my late 20s by the time I get an offer...)
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#323 Posted : Saturday, July 25, 2020 6:58:43 PM(UTC)
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I have a STEM position and the agency does do some major recruiting for those jobs (hence a large influx of younger people). I am over 40, and the majority of my co-workers are in their mid to late 20's. A lot of these people have multiple degrees(very smart crew). Just a bit of culture shock for me. Also I had preconceived notions of gov't agency being old and stodgy. If I had to describe it to someone, it feels like a mashup of a dot.com startup and military base. not_real_throwaway you would be in the majority if you worked in my division.
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#324 Posted : Tuesday, July 28, 2020 7:12:09 AM(UTC)
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Hi everyone, I'm hoping for some advice or experiences.

I lost my internship this summer due to COVID but already successfully completed my processing (poly, psych, BI). Last week I received a CJO for a job I don't remember applying for so I'm hoping that's a good thing because they pulled my resume from their applicant pool? It said contingent on my graduation, but i just graduated and hadn't updated my resume with them yet. According to the email I won't receive any of the paperwork until september/October.

I graduated this past semester but was planning on going back right away for my next degree so I would still qualify for the internship, but with the CJO I wouldn't need to and would really like to take a semester off. However, I'm worried that something with the job offer will fall through and I won't even have an internship to fall back on.

Does it happen often that a job offer will fall through for whatever reason? I'm hopeful it won't happen since my processing will still apply. Also, did you find that your paperwork came early or will it really take that long even though it was extended already over email?

Sorry for the long post, im very nervous it will fall through and I won't have a safety net of the internship, but don't want to take that opportunity from someone else.
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#325 Posted : Tuesday, July 28, 2020 7:38:28 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: William Walter Watkins Go to Quoted Post
Hey everyone, I've been employed for a few weeks now. Just wanted to give everyone that is pending or those that are waiting a little update.

Pro's
1. This job is awesome, it almost makes up for the horrendous hiring process.
2. My co-workers are really interesting and I really like my part of the agency.
3. Learning/Training is highly encouraged, strong emphasis on continuing education, at least in my part of the agency.
4. Lots of flexibility and multiple career paths

Cons
1. World's worst hiring process
2. Covid will continue to mess up your timelines, even after being hired, adjustments are being made to keep everyone safe.
3. I listed training as a pro, because I like learning but it will also take quite a long time to get up to speed.
4. I work with lots of younger people, so there's an age gap that is more prominent here than other companies I have worked for.


My only regret is not starting sooner. Those younger people I work with came from areas where the NSA had recruited or had a strong presence(colleges/high schools). If I had applied earlier it would've made the background checks much easier too. Totally my fault, I really lacked career focus in my youth. I wish you all good luck in the coming months, I can personally say it was worth the wait.



Hi! My EOD is set for August.. Could I DM you with a couple of questions?
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#326 Posted : Wednesday, July 29, 2020 9:41:45 AM(UTC)
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As noted in my previous posts, I met with my BI in January of this year. Since then, I heard nothing. Am I out of luck? It took an incredibly long time from the time I submitted my SF-86 back in March 2019 to meeting my BI, and now with the pandemic going on, it seems I'll never get my poly/psych done.
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#327 Posted : Wednesday, July 29, 2020 2:17:55 PM(UTC)
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As noted in my previous posts, I met with my BI in January of this year. Since then, I heard nothing. Am I out of luck? It took an incredibly long time from the time I submitted my SF-86 back in March 2019 to meeting my BI, and now with the pandemic going on, it seems I'll never get my poly/psych done.


I’m in the same position. All I’ve gotten are emails every couple months saying they’re still interested.
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#328 Posted : Wednesday, July 29, 2020 4:24:12 PM(UTC)
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The good news is it looks like the fort has lifted travel restrictions (for now). Hopefully that means they will get back to some amount of processing. https://media.defense.go..._UPDATE_JULY_29_2020.PDF
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#329 Posted : Thursday, July 30, 2020 5:39:19 PM(UTC)
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Question, need opinions/options.

I had an offer for the summer internship 2020 that was cancelled due to COVID-19. I am updating my resume to submit and I am think I will go with the top portion stating

Citizenship: Yes
Federal Experience: No
Clearance: TS/SCI/TK Clearable, current SSBI (02/2020) and FS polygraph (03/05/2020)

and the last line I would like to add..

XYZ Company - Internship offer accepted. Rescinded due to COVID-19 - Summer 2020

Can I put NSA and the specific internship?

Not sure if that is something people do, or I can not put the internship offer and assume they know since I got an email a couple weeks ago saying that we are sorry we couldn't have you here this summer but good news is your security processing is active with HR and they will let me know soon as the application opens.

Opinions needed!
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#330 Posted : Thursday, July 30, 2020 5:43:59 PM(UTC)
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I would take off your compartments(that’s a no no).

Also, did the Ft grant you the clearance? If they didn’t then you don’t have an active TS/SCI or Poly.

You should just say DoD internship and not mention the Ft.

I’ve been a green badge IC person for awhile and I’ve always been told to redact a ton of that info. You may get other advice here.
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#331 Posted : Thursday, July 30, 2020 5:58:31 PM(UTC)
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I would take off your compartments(that’s a no no).

Also, did the Ft grant you the clearance? If they didn’t then you don’t have an active TS/SCI or Poly.

You should just say DoD internship and not mention the Ft.

I’ve been a green badge IC person for awhile and I’ve always been told to redact a ton of that info. You may get other advice here.


I thought so to but then I found this page (NSA resume dos and donts)
https://www.nsa.gov/Port...pub/resume-dos-donts.pdf

You may:
1. Limit your resume to the
recommended one or two pages.
2. Acknowledge that you are cleared TOP
SECRET (TS)/Sensitive
Compartmented Information (SCI) or
Special Intelligence (SI)/TALENTKEYHOLE (TK) as appropriate.
3. Say that you have had an Agency
Special Background Investigation
(SBI) and/or polygraph along with
dates of the polygraph.

I was just told via email a couple weeks ago this "Let me provide you a bit of good news. Since the bulk of your security processing had been completed, you are still actively processing in our HR system."

That is why I wrote specifically Clearable. so they would see that I am able to be be cleared.

that is good though so write:

DoD - Internship offer accepted. Rescinded due to COVID-19 - Summer 2020 ?

I agree it seems odd to put anything but I know that the job listing says must be able to be cleared for that and that is why I figured saying TS/SCI/TK Clearable would meet their specifications based on that do's and dont's page.

then I followed a sample resume template from, https://www.sec.gov/jobs...resume/sample-resume.pdf
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Sure, as long as the CI folks say it’s ok to put that stuff down then no problemo. I just put TS/SCI see compartments or clearances in JPAS or SCATTERED CASTLES in my resume. If NSA is ok with you naming them then that is also fine. Also, if you’re pretty sure you’re clear able then I guess it would be fine to put “clearable”.
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#333 Posted : Thursday, July 30, 2020 6:10:48 PM(UTC)
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Sure, as long as the CI folks say it’s ok to put that stuff down then no problemo. I just put TS/SCI see compartments or clearances in JPAS or SCATTERED CASTLES in my resume. If NSA is ok with you naming them then that is also fine. Also, if you’re pretty sure you’re clear able then I guess it would be fine to put “clearable”.


I am not sure if I should name them. It doesn't say I specially it just says not to list anything classified. So maybe I can put the Agency and Program name?

I think it may be best to leave it all out the citizenship, federal work experience, and clearance and just put down basics as I literally received and email from the internship program a couple weeks ago they know all of those things..
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Sure, as long as the CI folks say it’s ok to put that stuff down then no problemo. I just put TS/SCI see compartments or clearances in JPAS or SCATTERED CASTLES in my resume. If NSA is ok with you naming them then that is also fine. Also, if you’re pretty sure you’re clear able then I guess it would be fine to put “clearable”.


I am not sure if I should name them. It doesn't say I specially it just says not to list anything classified. So maybe I can put the Agency and Program name?

I think it may be best to leave it all out the citizenship, federal work experience, and clearance and just put down basics as I literally received and email from the internship program a couple weeks ago they know all of those things..


You shouldn't put anything. Once you have been granted access to classified material you can put that down. You cannot say you are cleared because you are not. You have completed NSAs security process, whatever that actually means. Can you have somebody look you up in SC/JPAS and see if you even show up? Somebody needs to own your clearance and as of right now you were just an intern applicant and that might not have any bearing outside of this particular organization.
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I’m inclined to agree with VelcroTech. Since you can look me up in JPAS and SCATTERED CASTLES I could say “TS/SCI”. But since you are still waiting to get the “green light” you aren’t cleared. I would just say nothing.
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#336 Posted : Thursday, July 30, 2020 6:27:25 PM(UTC)
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Sure, as long as the CI folks say it’s ok to put that stuff down then no problemo. I just put TS/SCI see compartments or clearances in JPAS or SCATTERED CASTLES in my resume. If NSA is ok with you naming them then that is also fine. Also, if you’re pretty sure you’re clear able then I guess it would be fine to put “clearable”.


I am not sure if I should name them. It doesn't say I specially it just says not to list anything classified. So maybe I can put the Agency and Program name?

I think it may be best to leave it all out the citizenship, federal work experience, and clearance and just put down basics as I literally received and email from the internship program a couple weeks ago they know all of those things..


You shouldn't put anything. Once you have been granted access to classified material you can put that down. You cannot say you are cleared because you are not. You have completed NSAs security process, whatever that actually means. Can you have somebody look you up in SC/JPAS and see if you even show up? Somebody needs to own your clearance and as of right now you were just an intern applicant and that might not have any bearing outside of this particular organization.


I just know I got an email and it specifically said it said "Since the bulk of your security processing had been completed, you are still actively processing in our HR system. " and that all I will have to do is any possible update to eqip but I just have to apply.

I am not sure what it means.. I would assume you have gone though their security process, and know what it entails.. regardless, I agree no need to extra information. Thank you
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#337 Posted : Friday, July 31, 2020 3:49:37 AM(UTC)
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Sure, as long as the CI folks say it’s ok to put that stuff down then no problemo. I just put TS/SCI see compartments or clearances in JPAS or SCATTERED CASTLES in my resume. If NSA is ok with you naming them then that is also fine. Also, if you’re pretty sure you’re clear able then I guess it would be fine to put “clearable”.


I am not sure if I should name them. It doesn't say I specially it just says not to list anything classified. So maybe I can put the Agency and Program name?

I think it may be best to leave it all out the citizenship, federal work experience, and clearance and just put down basics as I literally received and email from the internship program a couple weeks ago they know all of those things..


Sounds like we're in the same position! Are you applying for full time positions or going for the internship again?
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#338 Posted : Friday, July 31, 2020 10:03:51 AM(UTC)
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Sure, as long as the CI folks say it’s ok to put that stuff down then no problemo. I just put TS/SCI see compartments or clearances in JPAS or SCATTERED CASTLES in my resume. If NSA is ok with you naming them then that is also fine. Also, if you’re pretty sure you’re clear able then I guess it would be fine to put “clearable”.


I am not sure if I should name them. It doesn't say I specially it just says not to list anything classified. So maybe I can put the Agency and Program name?

I think it may be best to leave it all out the citizenship, federal work experience, and clearance and just put down basics as I literally received and email from the internship program a couple weeks ago they know all of those things..


Sounds like we're in the same position! Are you applying for full time positions or going for the internship again?


Still a student so Internship. how far did you get in your security processing? also has your internship program contacted you recently to say anything?

Mine did saying about me being active an the HR system since bulk of processing was complete and to apply again once it opens and that I wont have to do everything over again just update the eqip thats all.

awesome IT WILL WORK OUT THIS TIME! :)
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#339 Posted : Friday, July 31, 2020 10:14:30 AM(UTC)
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Sure, as long as the CI folks say it’s ok to put that stuff down then no problemo. I just put TS/SCI see compartments or clearances in JPAS or SCATTERED CASTLES in my resume. If NSA is ok with you naming them then that is also fine. Also, if you’re pretty sure you’re clear able then I guess it would be fine to put “clearable”.


I am not sure if I should name them. It doesn't say I specially it just says not to list anything classified. So maybe I can put the Agency and Program name?

I think it may be best to leave it all out the citizenship, federal work experience, and clearance and just put down basics as I literally received and email from the internship program a couple weeks ago they know all of those things..


Sounds like we're in the same position! Are you applying for full time positions or going for the internship again?


Still a student so Internship. how far did you get in your security processing? also has your internship program contacted you recently to say anything?

Mine did saying about me being active an the HR system since bulk of processing was complete and to apply again once it opens and that I wont have to do everything over again just update the eqip thats all.

awesome IT WILL WORK OUT THIS TIME! :)


I hope so! They haven't reached out to me about that but I did get a CJO for a different job. I only qualify for the internship if I go back to school this semester for my masters since I graduated, with i REALLY don't want to do but I'm worried about this job offer falling through and not having the internship to fall back on.

Like you, all of my processing is completely done except the drug test I assume they would want.
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#340 Posted : Tuesday, August 4, 2020 3:07:00 PM(UTC)
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05/19 Applied
09/19 Interviewed for direct hire position
10/19 New recruiter
11/19 Notified that they lost applicant test scores, had to test again
12/19 Not selected for direct hire
03/20 In-person interview before COVID shutdowns
07/20 CJO notification email
08/20 CJO with salary/grade

Things are looking up!
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