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Another Carrier  
#1 Posted : Saturday, October 17, 2020 10:18:28 AM(UTC)
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Hello, I'm a regular on the overtime list. The truck is coming late everyday and I am submitting a 3996 asking for 1 hour overtime on my route.

Management is telling me to give 1 hour away; but they still give me 2 hours bump. I tell them to take 1 hour from my bump instead, but they claim that there is not violation because they will give the 1 hour to a CCA.

Is this true? Thanks in advance
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#2 Posted : Saturday, October 17, 2020 10:24:53 AM(UTC)
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#3 Posted : Saturday, October 17, 2020 12:05:54 PM(UTC)
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If you want common sense from the Post Office in terms of "why??", you're in the wrong line of work.

Management and employees have a common goal: deliver the mail. Beyond that, carriers are eloi and management is morlocks.

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We decide which is right; and which is an illusion. I've got blisters on me fingers!
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#4 Posted : Saturday, October 17, 2020 3:20:40 PM(UTC)
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I requested to see the clock rings and a fellow co worker told me that he was sent to do part of my route (he is on the ODL and not a CCA) violation of article 8, right?
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#5 Posted : Saturday, October 17, 2020 3:33:53 PM(UTC)
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I requested to see the clock rings and a fellow co worker told me that he was sent to do part of my route (he is on the ODL and not a CCA) violation of article 8, right?


If you worked 10 and they didn't go over 10, no issue.
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#6 Posted : Saturday, October 17, 2020 3:48:51 PM(UTC)
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I requested to see the clock rings and a fellow co worker told me that he was sent to do part of my route (he is on the ODL and not a CCA) violation of article 8, right?


If you worked 10 and they didn't go over 10, no issue.


I don't understand... If I worked 10 hours? Yes, I did! I did 8 hours on my route (because they took that 1 hour) and they gave me 2 hours bump on another route. Did he worked more than 10 hours? Yes! He is my best friend and gave all details of what streets he did and what houses got packages so I can ask for all of the information

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Just Cause  
#7 Posted : Saturday, October 17, 2020 3:59:06 PM(UTC)
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Are you on the ODL?
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#8 Posted : Saturday, October 17, 2020 4:01:30 PM(UTC)
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I requested to see the clock rings and a fellow co worker told me that he was sent to do part of my route (he is on the ODL and not a CCA) violation of article 8, right?


If you worked 10 and they didn't go over 10, no issue.


I don't understand... If I worked 10 hours? Yes, I did! I did 8 hours on my route (because they took that 1 hour) and they gave me 2 hours bump on another route. Did he worked more than 10 hours? Yes! He is my best friend and gave all details of what streets he did and what houses got packages so I can ask for all of the information


If he clocked his hours, it will be much easier.

If he went into penelty time because he worked your route, those should have been your hours.


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#9 Posted : Saturday, October 17, 2020 4:04:58 PM(UTC)
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Not true!

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#10 Posted : Saturday, October 17, 2020 4:11:36 PM(UTC)
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Are you on the ODL?


Yes!
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#11 Posted : Saturday, October 17, 2020 4:29:42 PM(UTC)
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5.c.2.a. When during the quarter the need for overtime arises, employees
with the necessary skills having listed their names will be selected
from the “Overtime Desired” list.

You and your friend are on the ODL. You are not guarantee the OT on your assignment. Management has the right to assign the OT to the employee on the ODL.

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#12 Posted : Saturday, October 17, 2020 4:43:53 PM(UTC)
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equitable Distribution of overtime opportunities. Seniority does
not govern the availability of overtime work for those letter carriers who
wish to work overtime. Nor is overtime distributed on a rotating basis.
Rather, Article 8.5.C.2 provides that for those carriers who sign the
Overtime Desired List, overtime “opportunities” must be distributed
“equitably” (i.e., fairly). This does not mean that actual overtime hours
worked must be distributed equally.

You have to read the whole paragraph and pay attention to the italic words.
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Another Carrier  
#13 Posted : Saturday, October 17, 2020 5:02:08 PM(UTC)
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equitable Distribution of overtime opportunities. Seniority does
not govern the availability of overtime work for those letter carriers who
wish to work overtime. Nor is overtime distributed on a rotating basis.
Rather, Article 8.5.C.2 provides that for those carriers who sign the
Overtime Desired List, overtime “opportunities” must be distributed
“equitably” (i.e., fairly). This does not mean that actual overtime hours
worked must be distributed equally.

You have to read the whole paragraph and pay attention to the italic words.


Read this... Article 8.5

"Overtime assignment rules apply to full time employees"

Management normally has the right to assign overtime work to full-time employees rather than to a PTF or CCA. An exception to this general principle is management’s requirement to provide auxiliary assistance
(See JCAM pages 8-14 through 8-16) before requiring letter carriers not on the ODL or Work Assignment List to work overtime on their own
route on a regularly scheduled day. This exception is explained follow-
ing Article 8.5.C.2.d under the heading, “Implementing Memorandum
on ‘Letter Carrier Paragraph.’”
Just Cause  
#14 Posted : Saturday, October 17, 2020 5:48:36 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Another Carrier Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Just Cause Go to Quoted Post
equitable Distribution of overtime opportunities. Seniority does
not govern the availability of overtime work for those letter carriers who
wish to work overtime. Nor is overtime distributed on a rotating basis.
Rather, Article 8.5.C.2 provides that for those carriers who sign the
Overtime Desired List, overtime “opportunities” must be distributed
“equitably” (i.e., fairly). This does not mean that actual overtime hours
worked must be distributed equally.

You have to read the whole paragraph and pay attention to the italic words.


Read this... Article 8.5

"Overtime assignment rules apply to full time employees"

Management normally has the right to assign overtime work to full-time employees rather than to a PTF or CCA. An exception to this general principle is management’s requirement to provide auxiliary assistance
(See JCAM pages 8-14 through 8-16) before requiring letter carriers not on the ODL or Work Assignment List to work overtime on their own
route on a regularly scheduled day. This exception is explained follow-
ing Article 8.5.C.2.d under the heading, “Implementing Memorandum
on ‘Letter Carrier Paragraph.’”


I am well aware of the "Letter Carrier Paragraph". The management did the right thing that they took 1 hour from you and gave it to the CCA. You worked 8 hours on your own assignment per Article 41.

I'll give you another advice from a old wise man had taught me. Read the word "normally"!

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Another Carrier  
#15 Posted : Saturday, October 17, 2020 5:54:30 PM(UTC)
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equitable Distribution of overtime opportunities. Seniority does
not govern the availability of overtime work for those letter carriers who
wish to work overtime. Nor is overtime distributed on a rotating basis.
Rather, Article 8.5.C.2 provides that for those carriers who sign the
Overtime Desired List, overtime “opportunities” must be distributed
“equitably” (i.e., fairly). This does not mean that actual overtime hours
worked must be distributed equally.

You have to read the whole paragraph and pay attention to the italic words.


Read this... Article 8.5

"Overtime assignment rules apply to full time employees"

Management normally has the right to assign overtime work to full-time employees rather than to a PTF or CCA. An exception to this general principle is management’s requirement to provide auxiliary assistance
(See JCAM pages 8-14 through 8-16) before requiring letter carriers not on the ODL or Work Assignment List to work overtime on their own
route on a regularly scheduled day. This exception is explained follow-
ing Article 8.5.C.2.d under the heading, “Implementing Memorandum
on ‘Letter Carrier Paragraph.’”


I am well aware of the "Letter Carrier Paragraph". The management did the right thing that they took 1 hour from you and gave it to the CCA. You worked 8 hours on your own assignment per Article 41.

I'll give you another advice from a old wise man had taught me. Read the word "normally"!


On my second reply I stated that management gave a section of my route to a full time regular who is on the ODL and not to a CCA. If they give it to a CCA there is no grievance, I already know that part

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#16 Posted : Saturday, October 17, 2020 5:58:43 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Another Carrier Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Just Cause Go to Quoted Post
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equitable Distribution of overtime opportunities. Seniority does
not govern the availability of overtime work for those letter carriers who
wish to work overtime. Nor is overtime distributed on a rotating basis.
Rather, Article 8.5.C.2 provides that for those carriers who sign the
Overtime Desired List, overtime “opportunities” must be distributed
“equitably” (i.e., fairly). This does not mean that actual overtime hours
worked must be distributed equally.

You have to read the whole paragraph and pay attention to the italic words.


Read this... Article 8.5

"Overtime assignment rules apply to full time employees"

Management normally has the right to assign overtime work to full-time employees rather than to a PTF or CCA. An exception to this general principle is management’s requirement to provide auxiliary assistance
(See JCAM pages 8-14 through 8-16) before requiring letter carriers not on the ODL or Work Assignment List to work overtime on their own
route on a regularly scheduled day. This exception is explained follow-
ing Article 8.5.C.2.d under the heading, “Implementing Memorandum
on ‘Letter Carrier Paragraph.’”


I am well aware of the "Letter Carrier Paragraph". The management did the right thing that they took 1 hour from you and gave it to the CCA. You worked 8 hours on your own assignment per Article 41.

I'll give you another advice from a old wise man had taught me. Read the word "normally"!


On my second reply I stated that management gave a section of my route to a full time regular who is on the ODL and not to a CCA. If they give it to a CCA there is no grievance, I already know that part



I must had clicked on the wrong button.

Did you work 8 hours on your own assignment?
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Another Carrier  
#17 Posted : Saturday, October 17, 2020 6:00:17 PM(UTC)
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equitable Distribution of overtime opportunities. Seniority does
not govern the availability of overtime work for those letter carriers who
wish to work overtime. Nor is overtime distributed on a rotating basis.
Rather, Article 8.5.C.2 provides that for those carriers who sign the
Overtime Desired List, overtime “opportunities” must be distributed
“equitably” (i.e., fairly). This does not mean that actual overtime hours
worked must be distributed equally.

You have to read the whole paragraph and pay attention to the italic words.


Read this... Article 8.5

"Overtime assignment rules apply to full time employees"

Management normally has the right to assign overtime work to full-time employees rather than to a PTF or CCA. An exception to this general principle is management’s requirement to provide auxiliary assistance
(See JCAM pages 8-14 through 8-16) before requiring letter carriers not on the ODL or Work Assignment List to work overtime on their own
route on a regularly scheduled day. This exception is explained follow-
ing Article 8.5.C.2.d under the heading, “Implementing Memorandum
on ‘Letter Carrier Paragraph.’”


I am well aware of the "Letter Carrier Paragraph". The management did the right thing that they took 1 hour from you and gave it to the CCA. You worked 8 hours on your own assignment per Article 41.

I'll give you another advice from a old wise man had taught me. Read the word "normally"!


On my second reply I stated that management gave a section of my route to a full time regular who is on the ODL and not to a CCA. If they give it to a CCA there is no grievance, I already know that part



I must had clicked on the wrong button.

Did you work 8 hours on your own assignment?


Yes! Plus 2 hours bump on another route
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#18 Posted : Saturday, October 17, 2020 6:09:11 PM(UTC)
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You are guaranteed for 8 hours as a FTR. You did 8 hours on your bid, per Article 41. When there is OT arises, employees with the necessary skills having listed their names will be selected from the “Overtime Desired” list. You worked 2 hours OT on another route. You requested 1 hour on your own assignment and management gave you the aux help. You are not guaranteed any OT on your own assignment. They did not violate the contract.
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#19 Posted : Saturday, October 17, 2020 6:11:33 PM(UTC)
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You are guaranteed for 8 hours as a FTR. You did 8 hours on your bid, per Article 41. When there is OT arises, employees with the necessary skills having listed their names will be selected from the “Overtime Desired” list. You worked 2 hours OT on another route. You requested 1 hour on your own assignment and management gave you the aux help. You are not guaranteed any OT on your own assignment. They did not violate the contract.


Again, the auxiliary help needs to provided by CCAS only
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#20 Posted : Saturday, October 17, 2020 6:12:40 PM(UTC)
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You are guaranteed for 8 hours as a FTR. You did 8 hours on your bid, per Article 41. When there is OT arises, employees with the necessary skills having listed their names will be selected from the “Overtime Desired” list. You worked 2 hours OT on another route. You requested 1 hour on your own assignment and management gave you the aux help. You are not guaranteed any OT on your own assignment. They did not violate the contract.


Again, the auxiliary help needs to provided by CCAS only


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