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#21 Posted : Tuesday, April 8, 2014 4:41:44 AM(UTC)
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blaydese:

I'm going to provide a bit of generic advice that I use over and over again:

Spend time defining your personal priorities. Know what is important to you. Make decisions that support your priorities, in order. You may still be uncertain about those decisions, but if you can show how you made a call that supports your highest priorities you can avoid the worst regrets.

Your post (and the previous several) sound very much like your decisions and your priorities are not in sync. As long as you make decisions that conflict with your personal priorities, you will remain unhappy with the effects of those decisions.
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#22 Posted : Tuesday, April 8, 2014 1:10:17 PM(UTC)
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Mudpie: no amount of counseling is going to get me off Guam and back to Okinawa. I do see mental health once a month, that's just to keep me from going postal. But thanks for the advice. ALso I'm taking my 80% disabled a$$ to the Guam VA clinic today, it's a joke, 1 dr. and he's part time. Again, one more terrible thing about Guam.


"Spend time defining your personal priorities."

Like every waking hour of the day? Okay, done that.

"Know what is important to you."

Wife and kids, getting back to Okinawa, and staying there as long as I can.

"Make decisions that support your priorities, in order. You may still be uncertain about those decisions, but if you can show how you made a call that supports your highest priorities you can avoid the worst regrets."

Yeah, 5 year rule, I could not stay on Okinawa, so I choose the lesser (I thought) of two evils, boy was I wrong, Guam sucks a$$.

"Your post (and the previous several) sound very much like your decisions and your priorities are not in sync."

I've tried syncing, separating, combining, seeking help, education, experience, changing resume, changing job paths, pleading, writing congressmen and women, keeping my head down, standing out and getting many awards, you name it, I've tried it, in the end, no matter what I do, the 5 year rule is a double edge sword, when you're in the USA (Yuk, grosses me out just to say it), you WANT the 5 year rule in effect, so you can get overseas, i.e. open some slots up. When you're overseas, you pray, the 5 year rule disappears. Damned if you do, damned if ya don't.

You know, (as far as I know and seen) overseas jobs are NEVER vacant, yet I can name a ton of locations in the USA that are empty for years. Hummm.

"As long as you make decisions that conflict with your personal priorities, you will remain unhappy with the effects of those decisions."

Even if I'm loved by everyone at the overseas location, get along with everyone, do an outstanding job, work hard, enjoy life, etc. no matter what, that 5 year rule is still there, they say don't worry about the things you don't have control over, rather focus on what you have. Well I have a great family, a goal and great friends, but none of those can change the fact that us folks that want to live our lives in Japan, (And I'm not speaking about just moving there poor and broke on our own living on the streets because we don't have a GS job and SOFA STATUS) are screwed by the 5 year rule.

Thanks for the kind words of advice, got any jobs in Japan open?
Peace!
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#23 Posted : Monday, April 14, 2014 7:27:45 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: blaydese Go to Quoted Post
"Know what is important to you."

Wife and kids, getting back to Okinawa, and staying there as long as I can.

"Make decisions that support your priorities, in order. You may still be uncertain about those decisions, but if you can show how you made a call that supports your highest priorities you can avoid the worst regrets."

Yeah, 5 year rule, I could not stay on Okinawa, so I choose the lesser (I thought) of two evils, boy was I wrong, Guam sucks a$$.


Either you aren't acknowledging your real prioritites, or you are not making decisions ot support your priorities.

Note that keeping employment with the US GOvernment instead of with somebody else was not anywhere in your priorities, but you put that ahead of staying in Okinawa and keeping yoru children where you say you want them to live.

I don't know if you do not understand your priorities or if you are refusing to make decisions based upon them, but your declared priorities and your demonstrate actions do not match, and that disconnect appears to be the cause of your anger.

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#24 Posted : Monday, April 14, 2014 11:31:18 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: hustonj Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: blaydese Go to Quoted Post
"Know what is important to you."

Wife and kids, getting back to Okinawa, and staying there as long as I can.

"Make decisions that support your priorities, in order. You may still be uncertain about those decisions, but if you can show how you made a call that supports your highest priorities you can avoid the worst regrets."

Yeah, 5 year rule, I could not stay on Okinawa, so I choose the lesser (I thought) of two evils, boy was I wrong, Guam sucks a$$.


Either you aren't acknowledging your real priorities, or you are not making decisions to support your priorities.

Note that keeping employment with the US Government instead of with somebody else was not anywhere in your priorities, but you put that ahead of staying in Okinawa and keeping your children where you say you want them to live.

I don't know if you do not understand your priorities or if you are refusing to make decisions based upon them, but your declared priorities and your demonstrate actions do not match, and that disconnect appears to be the cause of your anger.



Yup, it's the life I live, torn between two worlds, yet my beliefs, values and normals (and my wife, lol) say I can't leave my GS job, (i.e. a way to care for my family and btw that is priority #1) then I'd be homeless if I did, so I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't.

What do you suggest I do?

Peace! :)
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#25 Posted : Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:04:53 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: hustonj Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: blaydese Go to Quoted Post
"Know what is important to you."

Wife and kids, getting back to Okinawa, and staying there as long as I can.

"Make decisions that support your priorities, in order. You may still be uncertain about those decisions, but if you can show how you made a call that supports your highest priorities you can avoid the worst regrets."

Yeah, 5 year rule, I could not stay on Okinawa, so I choose the lesser (I thought) of two evils, boy was I wrong, Guam sucks a$$.


Either you aren't acknowledging your real priorities, or you are not making decisions to support your priorities.

Note that keeping employment with the US Government instead of with somebody else was not anywhere in your priorities, but you put that ahead of staying in Okinawa and keeping your children where you say you want them to live.

I don't know if you do not understand your priorities or if you are refusing to make decisions based upon them, but your declared priorities and your demonstrate actions do not match, and that disconnect appears to be the cause of your anger.



Yup, it's the life I live, torn between two worlds, yet my beliefs, values and normals (and my wife, lol) say I can't leave my GS job, (i.e. a way to care for my family and btw that is priority #1) then I'd be homeless if I did, so I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't.

What do you suggest I do?


I already told you: Know your priorities and make decisions that support your priorities.

If you have done that, then there is no one to be mad at and no reason to be mad.

Since you are as angry about this as you are, your decisions do not support your ACTUAL priorities.

Figure out where the disconnect is, and start making the decisions that actually support your priorities. It really is that simple.

I think the problem is that keeping your US Federal job is not anywhere on your prioritiy list, but you made a decision based on your fears instead of your priorities. But I'm guessing. I don't actually know anything about what is in your head or your heart. I only know what you have displayed on this web site, and that is a clear emotional road map declaring that keeping your kids in Japan is more important to you than anything else you've acknowledged, and you blame the US Federal government for your decision to put staying with that paycheck above what is important to you.

If staying with the US Federal employment is more important to you, then you have nothing to be mad about. NOTHING. As mad as you are, it isn't more important to you. It can't even be close for you to have held on to this much anger over this many years.

Figure out what your priorities really are, and start making decisions that support those priorities. Regret and anger both fall away when you do this.
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#26 Posted : Friday, April 18, 2014 5:49:56 PM(UTC)
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Okay, let's break this down shall we?

Originally Posted by: hustonj Go to Quoted Post
Know your priorities and make decisions that support your priorities.


Priorities:

1. Safety of my wife and kids.

2. My kids in DoDEA schools, with no guns or drugs or metal detectors at the doors.

3. A job. Prefer GS jobs, the higher the level the better.

4. Live in Japan with full benefits if GS employment, SOFA status, etc.

5. Heath, caffeine free, one meal a day to keep my weight down and do smoking, drinking or illegal drugs.

6. Live in a clean, new, modern house, avoid radon gas, lead paint and simple nasty ass living conditions.

7. Get my kids into a great university, ensure their success, and enter a better standard of living than I have lived or will live in the future.

8. Entertain the possibility of retiring at the age of 66.

9. Buy a house in the USA with my own private lake or near the ocean in Florida.

10. Live as long as I can, but enjoy life.


Originally Posted by: hustonj Go to Quoted Post
If you have done that, then there is no one to be mad at and no reason to be mad.


Okay, so let's see what ones are effected by the 5 year rule.. shall we? BTW - I have no control over the 5 year rule.

1. Safety of my wife and kids. - ANS: Live on base, with a gate guard and avoid the high crime on Guam, so check, done.

2. My kids in DoDEA schools, with no guns or drugs or metal detectors at the doors. - ANS: Close, Guam has DoDEA schools, so that was a close call.

3. A job. Prefer GS jobs, the higher the level the better. - ANS: Doing that, now a GS-11, whooot!

4. Live in Japan with full benefits if GS employment, SOFA status, etc. - ANS: Nope, 5 year rule F*%@ed me on that one. FAIL.

5. Heath, caffeine free, one meal a day to keep my weight down and do smoking, drinking or illegal drugs. - ANS: Right on track, just got blood drawn last month, I'm perfect across the board. Good for me!

6. Live in a clean, new, modern house, avoid radon gas, lead paint and simple nasty ass living conditions. - ANS: BZZZZ! Guam sucks ass, it's nasty old, house is really nasty and small and I fear for our health. (it's a long story, trust, me I'm not making this up).

7. Get my kids into a great university, ensure their success, and enter a better standard of living than I have lived or will live in the future. - ANS: On track, kids have straight A's and admired by many of the teachers and staff. I participate in their schools and we've sat and discussed their life goals, so on track and doing well.

8. Entertain the possibility of retiring at the age of 66. - ANS: Retired from the military, and working on my civil service retirement, so we're right on track.

9. Buy a house in the USA with my own private lake or near the ocean in Florida. - ANS: Google Cape Corral FL, one day. :) Or Tracy California. ;)

10. Live as long as I can, but enjoy life. - ANS: Don't drink, smoke, or consume caffeine, watch my weight, get light exercise when I can and enjoy life through family time, photography, astronomy, and more.




Originally Posted by: hustonj Go to Quoted Post
Since you are as angry about this as you are, your decisions do not support your ACTUAL priorities.


Okay, so what do you suggest I do? Physically, location, actual plan, not this emotions easy answer? I' HAVE TO STAY IN THE USA FOR TWO YEARS BEFORE I CAN START FIVE YEARS AGAIN. *sigh*


Originally Posted by: hustonj Go to Quoted Post
Figure out where the disconnect is,


The disconnect is I do everything the U.S. Government asks me to do, I work hard, got a ton of awards, training, education, eat well, take care of my employees, family, friends, etc., and land a GS job in my dream job location in Japan, and even though my kids were born in Japan, are half Japanese, I speak the language, love Japan and want to be there, the State Department has this silly 5 year rule. Yeah I'm mad. It's a double edge sword. When in the USA, you want it, when in Japan, you don't want it.



Originally Posted by: hustonj Go to Quoted Post
and start making the decisions that actually support your priorities. It really is that simple.



Like what? Get a time machine and make two years in this hell hole hurry up? Spend all my money on a new house off base in crime ridden Guam and tell my kids F-U on their collage savings? No thank you.


Originally Posted by: hustonj Go to Quoted Post
I think the problem is that keeping your US Federal job is not anywhere on your priority list,


Yes it is! It's the ONLY way I can live in Japan and NOT be poor there, have you ever lived in Japan in none SOFA status? Know that, without SOFA status, it's really expensive, you get little help, you can't get access to many services, you have to be sponsored, etc. etc. etc.


Originally Posted by: hustonj Go to Quoted Post
but you made a decision based on your fears instead of your priorities.


NO! I made a choice of the lesser of two evils, move back to crappy Virginia or try Guam, so I chose Guam and boy did I make a HUGE MISTAKE! Now I have to pay hard for that mistake.


Originally Posted by: hustonj Go to Quoted Post
But I'm guessing. I don't actually know anything about what is in your head or your heart.


Now you know. :) ... and trust me when I say, I'd almost invite cancer into my life if that'd get me a compassion reassignment to anywhere in the world.


Originally Posted by: hustonj Go to Quoted Post
I only know what you have displayed on this web site, and that is a clear emotional road map declaring that keeping your kids in Japan is more important to you than anything else you've acknowledged, and you blame the US Federal government for your decision.


NOT my decision, THEY forced me out with the 5 year rule, do you think for ONE SECOND that I choose to leave Japan, LOL!!


Originally Posted by: hustonj Go to Quoted Post
to put staying with that paycheck above what is important to you.


So providing for my family is a bad thing? Well no ***** Sherlock, I desire Living in Japan, but I'm not stupid. LOL! You gotta have a job. Dah!

Originally Posted by: hustonj Go to Quoted Post
If staying with the US Federal employment is more important to you, then you have nothing to be mad about. NOTHING.


So just shut up and take it like a man huh? Can't speak how I feel? I can't voice my opinion? Sorry buddy, Japan is the socialist nation, and I bleed RED, WHITE AND BLUE, and I like having freedom of speech. So I'm going to complain about the 5 year rule.

Just why does Guam suck ass so bad, why can't we have something better than the 5 year rule, why are there folks that beat the system in Japan, and Germany like DoDEA teachers don't have a five year rule?


Originally Posted by: hustonj Go to Quoted Post
As mad as you are, it isn't more important to you.


It's very important, but I'm not dumb, I'm not going to move to Japan without SOFA status or a job, I'm not stupid, sheeesh!


Originally Posted by: hustonj Go to Quoted Post
It can't even be close for you to have held on to this much anger over this many years.


Oh, I've been angray over this for a very long time, I love Japan and living in Japan that much. Breaks my heart to know that I can't be there, with my family and friends, and more.

Oh, and I've been angry about many of the GS employee rules and regulations over the years, so much I've written to my representatives and congresspersons many many times.



Originally Posted by: hustonj Go to Quoted Post
Figure out what your priorities really are,


I've had those listed above for a very very very long time.


Originally Posted by: hustonj Go to Quoted Post
and start making decisions that support those priorities.


Yeah? Like what? Invent a time machine? Trust me, as soon as I can / eligible for a GS job in Japan or anyplace away from Guam, I'm so freaking out of here! Guam sucks ass, my boss is mean, the people are mean and the work environment is EXTREMELY hostile.


Originally Posted by: hustonj Go to Quoted Post
Regret and anger both fall away when you do this.


Trust me I have a goal, but time is my enemy, so... what do you suggest I do for the next 8 months of my transportation agreement to Guam?

Peace! :)
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#27 Posted : Monday, April 21, 2014 4:37:19 AM(UTC)
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I repeat my earlier statement: If you have been making decisions that support your ACTUAL priorities, then you have nothing to be upset about.

Since you are angry and keep presenting anger, you obviously are not making decisions that support your ACTUAL priorities. I don't claim to know what the disconnect is, but your ongoing emotional response is a clear sign that you are NOT doing what you say you are doing.

Going on at great length about far more personal detail than anyone else here is likely to ever care about just demonstrates the strength of your emotional reaction and the depth of the disconnect.

You need a trusted agent that you can talk through the emotional responses with, that can help you explore the root of the anger, and then help you identify what your priority list really is. Again, your ongoing emotional response clearly indicates that your carefully reasoned priority list is NOT the priority list you are responding to. People are very emotional creatures. Your rational list and your actual list are not the same thing. They are pretty much never the same for anyone. Quit demanding that your carefully balanced, rational list is th elist that matters. Your emotional reaction shows that there is a different list that matters to you more.

Among other things, your rational list is far too specific. Emotional reactions tend to be driven by categories, not specifics.
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Resign as a CS and take a job as a contractor with SOFA status in Japan. Have the contracting company pay for the move and stay there until they kick you out, and homeschool your kids. Solved.

Or suck it up and stay in Guam, homeschool, and get a Concealed Weapons Permit for self-defense

http://www.andersen.af.m...ument/AFD-130505-020.pdf

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Wow dude. I have run into a few of you in Europe. One couple has spent nearly 14 years in Germany and never plan to return to the US but want a GOV job. **? The only reason he has not given up his US citizenship is that then he couldn't be a GS employee. Right now he is a contractor since he hit the 5 year rule with no waivers and was told to quit or move back to the US.

You need to do what is best for you and yours; or what you think is best. However, the US government does not need to accommodate that. I would love to work in Japan but it seems the jobs never open up. Maybe because some of you all are keeping the jobs locked up forever. The 5 year rule is not new, if you want to work for Uncle Sugar then you know upfront that moving back to the US of A is eventually going to happen. If you truely bleed RED, WHITE, AND BLUE then why are you trying to live in Japan for the rest of your life?

Seems like you want the best of both worlds. So do we all. You are not going to get much sympathy here.
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#30 Posted : Monday, April 21, 2014 10:35:31 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Knight Go to Quoted Post
You are not going to get much sympathy here.


^^That's obvious.

Also, I'm just venting, I know no one here gives a crap and no one here can do anything about the 5 year rule.

Peace! :)


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Take care. I am sad to hear how bad Guam is. It is on my list for potentual assignments. I have done 11 years in Europe and and trying to go to the Pacific half now.
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I loved my time in Guam and if they hadn't shut down the Bomb Wing, would have stayed longer. And I lived off-base with no real issues (Typhoons can be a pain!). Take up scuba...I found that a great way to relax while I was there. Piti was great snorkling, IIRC. Tumon bay was a tourist trap, so I doubt it it much better.

And, there are good schools stateside (better than DoD in many cases), and plenty of locations where there is a high level of Japanese-Americans so your kids could connect with that side of their heritage...or even both sides!

I think Huston is correct...your priorities are not in sync, and I think you may not be being honest with yourself. I'd love to be in Europe, but not angry that I am not. And, well aware that if I find a slot there, it may only be for 5 years, so I plan on that being true. If I get to stay longer? Bonus! If not, then I will have made certain I got the most out of my time while I was there.
You should have voted Cthulu...the greatest of all Evils
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Originally Posted by: Knight Go to Quoted Post
Take care. I am sad to hear how bad Guam is. It is on my list for [potential] assignments. I have done 11 years in Europe and and trying to go to the Pacific half now.


Knight, I can suggest many better places in the pacific. Guam is NOT the far east, it's Detroit on a bad day with palm trees. If you want more details, let me know I can post my VERY LONG letter to the base commander if you like.


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I loved my time in Guam and if they hadn't shut down the Bomb Wing, would have stayed longer.


That's great, and I'm sure many folks on Guam enjoy it. Just not us, it's like having lived at the playboy mansion and now living in an outhouse. :(


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And I lived off-base with no real issues


And that's make a HUGE difference right there, I can tell you were military at that time, and GOT tons of money for rent and untilites to live off base eh? Well as a DoD Civilian, not so. It's $3,800 a month for a house off base, I can't afford that.

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(Typhoons can be a pain!)


Guam get's one ever 10 years, unlike Okinawa that gets 10 a year in some cases. But yeah, pain in the arse.


Originally Posted by: frankgonzalez Go to Quoted Post
Take up scuba...I found that a great way to relax while I was there.


I'm 120% disabled, rolled back to 80% for comp and pens ($ purposes), but the best I can do is snorkel in calm waters. :)
But trust me, no amount of fun is going to fix the moldy bathrooms, the terrible driving conditions, the crime, the poor water quality, the small house, the cost of living, the jungle fires, the a-hole boss, the corruption, the terrible base housing office and rules, low-income mentality, etc. etc.


Originally Posted by: frankgonzalez Go to Quoted Post
Piti was great snorkling, IIRC. Tumon bay was a tourist trap, so I doubt it it much better.


I like Tumon, it has lots of Japanese tourists, I feel for a few fleeting moments like I'm back in Japan.

Originally Posted by: frankgonzalez Go to Quoted Post
And, there are good schools stateside (better than DoD in many cases), and plenty of locations where there is a high level of Japanese-Americans so your kids could connect with that side of their heritage...or even both sides!


I know, I've done that, and I'm not kicking the good ol' USA in the nuts, in fact I should have gone back to VA, but oh well, too late.

Originally Posted by: frankgonzalez Go to Quoted Post
I think Huston is correct...your priorities are not in sync, and I think you may not be being honest with yourself. I'd love to be in Europe, but not angry that I am not. And, well aware that if I find a slot there, it may only be for 5 years, so I plan on that being true. If I get to stay longer? Bonus! If not, then I will have made certain I got the most out of my time while I was there.


Yup, that is all we can hope for, and IF I ever make it back, I may not come back to the USA, I'll take the advice of others and get a contractor job, then wait a few and go back to GS.

Peace! :)
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Dude, while I was military when I was in Guam, I was but a young airman, and my top pay while I was there was $1078.80 base pay, with $219.60 for housing allowance, $110 for Hazardous duty pay, and about $180 a month for BAS. So...I had 4 house-mates.

Okinawa was not a paradise IMO...drunken Marines, locals who hated the Americans, expensive (in comparison to Guam), etc. Of course, I was not married to someone from Japan (or anyone) at that time so had no other reason to want to stay longer.

As for being disabled and not being able to dive...depends on your disability to be honest. But there are few reasons to say you "can't" as demonstrated by my buddy back in SoCal who set up this group: http://www.dvsp.us/who-we-are

You should have voted Cthulu...the greatest of all Evils
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Take care. I am sad to hear how bad Guam is. It is on my list for [potential] assignments. I have done 11 years in Europe and and trying to go to the Pacific half now.


Knight, I can suggest many better places in the pacific. Guam is NOT the far east, it's Detroit on a bad day with palm trees. If you want more details, let me know I can post my VERY LONG letter to the base commander if you like.


An old thread, but if you are still around it would be interesting to know the details of what is so bad there. I have been thinking about applying for a position in Guam when my time in Korea is up.

The excuse of, "I read it on FederalSoup..." won't work. Please do your due diligence.
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Bumping this old thread.

Hate to make the thread starter stroll down memory lane and possibly raise his BP, but tell me more about Oki. About to move there soon

Plan is when my time is up OCONUS, then I'll move to Oceanside, CA

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OP, how is it going now?!
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blaydese  
#38 Posted : Friday, November 27, 2020 5:59:10 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Cacique Go to Quoted Post
OP, how is it going now?!


The worst part is, there are NOW MORE questions in favor of military spouses (Male and female), dependents traveling with military (Adult children), within local commuting distance (local hire folks), etc. etc. etc. on USA JOBS, NOW, more than there were was when I first posted this.

So, to answer your question, just plain ass worse, saddened and still upset.

Oh, however, I did land a GS mainland Japan job, and those folks can kiss my ass! GS job in Japan for a year, term position, and was hired under a ruse, because there was a toxic employee they decided not to tell me about until I got there. I was bullied by the employee. Yeah, talk about reverse treatment, made to feel like garbage by a Japanese employee. I know, not typical, but it happened. I've worked and lived in Japan for years, and so I got the F out of there and back home now in the USA. Worst experience ever in my 20+ years as a GS employee.

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No longer is the GS community that vessel for former military to have a place to work in a relatable and cohesive military like environment, the GS world has gotten to 'civilianized' and in favor of the snow flakes.

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