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#1 Posted : Wednesday, March 24, 2021 7:59:16 AM(UTC)
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I dont understand why the Post Office doesn't resort to 5 day delivery. It doesn't make any sense for me to deliver mail with anything less than a thousand letters. Delivering one piece of 3rd class mail to a single mailbox is a waste of time. Parcel deli wry should be maintained at 6 or 7 day delivery due to the volume but certainly not letters.
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, March 24, 2021 8:39:29 AM(UTC)
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I dont understand why the Post Office doesn't resort to 5 day delivery. It doesn't make any sense for me to deliver mail with anything less than a thousand letters. Delivering one piece of 3rd class mail to a single mailbox is a waste of time. Parcel deli wry should be maintained at 6 or 7 day delivery due to the volume but certainly not letters.

I believe this is sort of where things may end up going to but you’re also speaking in terms of profitability and efficiency when only one is required. We are a government entity providing a service to all Americans. Until that’s changed through legislation( probably never) then we will have to come up with inventive ways to maintain efficiency.
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Agree! 6 day MAIL delivery is huge waste of money.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, March 24, 2021 10:21:15 AM(UTC)
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I think the argument is better for 7 day mail delivery than 7 day package delivery and 5 day mail delivery. Our package rates are calculated under the assumption that we're going to be there (or very near by) anyway. Turning every Monday into an after holiday delivery isn't going to help delivery units with retention either.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, March 24, 2021 10:56:02 AM(UTC)
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Well, Monday will be national call out day.
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, March 24, 2021 1:17:29 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NYpatriot Go to Quoted Post
I dont understand why the Post Office doesn't resort to 5 day delivery. It doesn't make any sense for me to deliver mail with anything less than a thousand letters. Delivering one piece of 3rd class mail to a single mailbox is a waste of time. Parcel deli wry should be maintained at 6 or 7 day delivery due to the volume but certainly not letters.


Because congress mandates 6 day delivery.

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#7 Posted : Wednesday, March 24, 2021 1:46:21 PM(UTC)
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hmmm
I am a professional toilet scrubber for 38 yrs and never carried b4.
I like to file 1767 for the heck of it.
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, March 24, 2021 2:52:22 PM(UTC)
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I dont understand why the Post Office doesn't resort to 5 day delivery. It doesn't make any sense for me to deliver mail with anything less than a thousand letters. Delivering one piece of 3rd class mail to a single mailbox is a waste of time. Parcel deli wry should be maintained at 6 or 7 day delivery due to the volume but certainly not letters.


Because congress mandates 6 day delivery.



Which brings us back to the point. Mail is dying. People don’t care about Mail like they used. It’s all about packages.
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, March 24, 2021 4:29:55 PM(UTC)
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I think the argument is better for 7 day mail delivery than 7 day package delivery and 5 day mail delivery. Our package rates are calculated under the assumption that we're going to be there (or very near by) anyway. Turning every Monday into an after holiday delivery isn't going to help delivery units with retention either.


Seven day delivery is actually the best alternative and even the PMG stated we need to keep six day delivery for letters and flats, while potentially continuing or going to seven day delivery for parcels. The idiocy of believing five day delivery is some sort of panacea is beyond comprehension. We might as well just close up shop and shut the place down if we allow the morons to shove that idea on us. And for the record, when 5 day delivery was proposed in the past, it was Sunday/Tuesday non-scheduled, not Sat/Sun. That was because Tuesday is traditionally the lightest delivery day and nobody wants every Monday to be a after-holiday delivery event.
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I dont understand why the Post Office doesn't resort to 5 day delivery. It doesn't make any sense for me to deliver mail with anything less than a thousand letters. Delivering one piece of 3rd class mail to a single mailbox is a waste of time. Parcel deli wry should be maintained at 6 or 7 day delivery due to the volume but certainly not letters.


Because congress mandates 6 day delivery.



Which brings us back to the point. Mail is dying. People don’t care about Mail like they used. It’s all about packages.


Then write your representative and ask for a change.

That is your only option.
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, March 24, 2021 4:38:11 PM(UTC)
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I think the argument is better for 7 day mail delivery than 7 day package delivery and 5 day mail delivery. Our package rates are calculated under the assumption that we're going to be there (or very near by) anyway. Turning every Monday into an after holiday delivery isn't going to help delivery units with retention either.


Seven day delivery is actually the best alternative and even the PMG stated we need to keep six day delivery for letters and flats, while potentially continuing or going to seven day delivery for parcels. The idiocy of believing five day delivery is some sort of panacea is beyond comprehension. We might as well just close up shop and shut the place down if we allow the morons to shove that idea on us. And for the record, when 5 day delivery was proposed in the past, it was Sunday/Tuesday non-scheduled, not Sat/Sun. That was because Tuesday is traditionally the lightest delivery day and nobody wants every Monday to be a after-holiday delivery event.


Right. 5 day M-F is the worst of all worlds and makes no sense whatsoever, regardless of how much craig wants his weekends off. If mail volume ever declines to the point that we can't support 6 or 7 day, it should go to 3 or 4 day delivery.
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, March 24, 2021 5:24:32 PM(UTC)
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I think the argument is better for 7 day mail delivery than 7 day package delivery and 5 day mail delivery. Our package rates are calculated under the assumption that we're going to be there (or very near by) anyway. Turning every Monday into an after holiday delivery isn't going to help delivery units with retention either.


Seven day delivery is actually the best alternative and even the PMG stated we need to keep six day delivery for letters and flats, while potentially continuing or going to seven day delivery for parcels. The idiocy of believing five day delivery is some sort of panacea is beyond comprehension. We might as well just close up shop and shut the place down if we allow the morons to shove that idea on us. And for the record, when 5 day delivery was proposed in the past, it was Sunday/Tuesday non-scheduled, not Sat/Sun. That was because Tuesday is traditionally the lightest delivery day and nobody wants every Monday to be a after-holiday delivery event.


Right. 5 day M-F is the worst of all worlds and makes no sense whatsoever, regardless of how much craig wants his weekends off. If mail volume ever declines to the point that we can't support 6 or 7 day, it should go to 3 or 4 day delivery.


5 day is stupid and doesn’t make sense BUT 3 or 4 day makes sense. That’s some awesome theory there.

Mail is dead. Nobody cares about their Mail. My Mail leaves my box and goes right into the trash. There’s nothing in there that I “need”. People will survive not getting junk Mail for 6 days...
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, March 24, 2021 5:59:31 PM(UTC)
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So Craig, lets just flush all the seniors you still pay bills the old fashion way down the toilet. Oh that's right , you think everyone should be forced to pay bills on line
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Originally Posted by: craigrh13 Go to Quoted Post
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I think the argument is better for 7 day mail delivery than 7 day package delivery and 5 day mail delivery. Our package rates are calculated under the assumption that we're going to be there (or very near by) anyway. Turning every Monday into an after holiday delivery isn't going to help delivery units with retention either.


Seven day delivery is actually the best alternative and even the PMG stated we need to keep six day delivery for letters and flats, while potentially continuing or going to seven day delivery for parcels. The idiocy of believing five day delivery is some sort of panacea is beyond comprehension. We might as well just close up shop and shut the place down if we allow the morons to shove that idea on us. And for the record, when 5 day delivery was proposed in the past, it was Sunday/Tuesday non-scheduled, not Sat/Sun. That was because Tuesday is traditionally the lightest delivery day and nobody wants every Monday to be a after-holiday delivery event.


Right. 5 day M-F is the worst of all worlds and makes no sense whatsoever, regardless of how much craig wants his weekends off. If mail volume ever declines to the point that we can't support 6 or 7 day, it should go to 3 or 4 day delivery.


5 day is stupid and doesn’t make sense BUT 3 or 4 day makes sense. That’s some awesome theory there.

Mail is dead. Nobody cares about their Mail. My Mail leaves my box and goes right into the trash. There’s nothing in there that I “need”. People will survive not getting junk Mail for 6 days...


Just because you don't care about mail service doesn't mean no one does. Many of my customers are older and care very much about the mail.

I do worry about the long term viability of what we do but you are absolutely 100 percent wrong that "nobody cares about their mail". As is the case with all of your posts, you take your personal experience and assume that everyone's experience is exactly like yours.
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, March 24, 2021 7:35:44 PM(UTC)
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https://www.thoughtco.com/is-ending-saturday-mail-a-good-idea-3321030



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Impact of Ending Saturday Mail

Ending Saturday mail would have some positive and plenty of negative impacts, according to the Postal Regulatory Commission and GAO reports. Ending Saturday mail and implementing a five-day delivery schedule, the agencies said, would:

save the Postal Service an estimated $1.7 billion a year, nearly half as much as the $3.1 billion projected by the agency itself;

reduce mail volume and result in net revenue losses of $600 million a year, far more than the $200 million in lost revenue projected by the Postal Service;

cause a quarter of all First-Class and Priority mail to be delayed by two days;

negatively impact business mailers, local newspapers that rely on Saturday delivery, residential mailers who would be affected by longer mail transit times, and other population groups, such as rural residents, the homebound, or the elderly;

reduce the advantage that USPS has over competitors that do not offer Saturday delivery, particularly delivering postal parcels on Saturdays at no additional charge;

and diminish USPS's image, in part by reducing public contact with carriers.

Ending Saturday mail "would improve USPS's financial condition by reducing costs, increasing efficiency, and better aligning its delivery operations with reduced mail volumes," the GAO concluded. "However, it would also reduce service; put mail volumes and revenues at risk; eliminate jobs; and, by itself, be insufficient to solve USPS's financial challenges."



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#17 Posted : Wednesday, March 24, 2021 7:36:27 PM(UTC)
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I think the argument is better for 7 day mail delivery than 7 day package delivery and 5 day mail delivery. Our package rates are calculated under the assumption that we're going to be there (or very near by) anyway. Turning every Monday into an after holiday delivery isn't going to help delivery units with retention either.


Seven day delivery is actually the best alternative and even the PMG stated we need to keep six day delivery for letters and flats, while potentially continuing or going to seven day delivery for parcels. The idiocy of believing five day delivery is some sort of panacea is beyond comprehension. We might as well just close up shop and shut the place down if we allow the morons to shove that idea on us. And for the record, when 5 day delivery was proposed in the past, it was Sunday/Tuesday non-scheduled, not Sat/Sun. That was because Tuesday is traditionally the lightest delivery day and nobody wants every Monday to be a after-holiday delivery event.


Right. 5 day M-F is the worst of all worlds and makes no sense whatsoever, regardless of how much craig wants his weekends off. If mail volume ever declines to the point that we can't support 6 or 7 day, it should go to 3 or 4 day delivery.


5 day is stupid and doesn’t make sense BUT 3 or 4 day makes sense. That’s some awesome theory there.

Mail is dead. Nobody cares about their Mail. My Mail leaves my box and goes right into the trash. There’s nothing in there that I “need”. People will survive not getting junk Mail for 6 days...


Just because you don't care about mail service doesn't mean no one does. Many of my customers are older and care very much about the mail.

I do worry about the long term viability of what we do but you are absolutely 100 percent wrong that "nobody cares about their mail". As is the case with all of your posts, you take your personal experience and assume that everyone's experience is exactly like yours.


Ok. You took that literally. Our first class Mail
Volume is down 40 billion pieces and growing. Every year it continues to dwindle. Every year more and more businesses shift away from
Mail. It’s the absolute facts. We now bring in
More money with packages then Mail. Packages are our future. Mail will no longer be our #1 priority. Our customers won’t care that they don’t get their junk Mail 6 days a week. They damn sure will care that they don’t get their packages on time though....there’s lots of competition in that department and they have invested money into their infrastructure....we have not.

So you can be butt hurt all you want but the facts aren’t on your side.


“Mail, it’s unfortunate. I’m not a magician. I can’t create the need for mail,” DeJoy said in an interview. So as the market moves away from paper mail, the Postal Service has to find new lines of business. In DeJoy’s plan, that’s packages.

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https://www.thoughtco.com/is-ending-saturday-mail-a-good-idea-3321030



Quote:

Impact of Ending Saturday Mail

Ending Saturday mail would have some positive and plenty of negative impacts, according to the Postal Regulatory Commission and GAO reports. Ending Saturday mail and implementing a five-day delivery schedule, the agencies said, would:

save the Postal Service an estimated $1.7 billion a year, nearly half as much as the $3.1 billion projected by the agency itself;

reduce mail volume and result in net revenue losses of $600 million a year, far more than the $200 million in lost revenue projected by the Postal Service;

cause a quarter of all First-Class and Priority mail to be delayed by two days;

negatively impact business mailers, local newspapers that rely on Saturday delivery, residential mailers who would be affected by longer mail transit times, and other population groups, such as rural residents, the homebound, or the elderly;

reduce the advantage that USPS has over competitors that do not offer Saturday delivery, particularly delivering postal parcels on Saturdays at no additional charge;

and diminish USPS's image, in part by reducing public contact with carriers.

Ending Saturday mail "would improve USPS's financial condition by reducing costs, increasing efficiency, and better aligning its delivery operations with reduced mail volumes," the GAO concluded. "However, it would also reduce service; put mail volumes and revenues at risk; eliminate jobs; and, by itself, be insufficient to solve USPS's financial challenges."





My God, how old is that? Considering everyone delivers packages on Saturday now. Y’all
Keep bringing up the past like it means something. At least it’s obvious what mind sets have put us in this hole.
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I think the argument is better for 7 day mail delivery than 7 day package delivery and 5 day mail delivery. Our package rates are calculated under the assumption that we're going to be there (or very near by) anyway. Turning every Monday into an after holiday delivery isn't going to help delivery units with retention either.


Seven day delivery is actually the best alternative and even the PMG stated we need to keep six day delivery for letters and flats, while potentially continuing or going to seven day delivery for parcels. The idiocy of believing five day delivery is some sort of panacea is beyond comprehension. We might as well just close up shop and shut the place down if we allow the morons to shove that idea on us. And for the record, when 5 day delivery was proposed in the past, it was Sunday/Tuesday non-scheduled, not Sat/Sun. That was because Tuesday is traditionally the lightest delivery day and nobody wants every Monday to be a after-holiday delivery event.


Right. 5 day M-F is the worst of all worlds and makes no sense whatsoever, regardless of how much craig wants his weekends off. If mail volume ever declines to the point that we can't support 6 or 7 day, it should go to 3 or 4 day delivery.


5 day is stupid and doesn’t make sense BUT 3 or 4 day makes sense. That’s some awesome theory there.

Mail is dead. Nobody cares about their Mail. My Mail leaves my box and goes right into the trash. There’s nothing in there that I “need”. People will survive not getting junk Mail for 6 days...


Just because you don't care about mail service doesn't mean no one does. Many of my customers are older and care very much about the mail.

I do worry about the long term viability of what we do but you are absolutely 100 percent wrong that "nobody cares about their mail". As is the case with all of your posts, you take your personal experience and assume that everyone's experience is exactly like yours.


Ok. You took that literally. Our first class Mail
Volume is down 40 billion pieces and growing. Every year it continues to dwindle. Every year more and more businesses shift away from
Mail. It’s the absolute facts. We now bring in
More money with packages then Mail. Packages are our future. Mail will no longer be our #1 priority. Our customers won’t care that they don’t get their junk Mail 6 days a week. They damn sure will care that they don’t get their packages on time though....there’s lots of competition in that department and they have invested money into their infrastructure....we have not.

So you can be butt hurt all you want but the facts aren’t on your side.


“Mail, it’s unfortunate. I’m not a magician. I can’t create the need for mail,” DeJoy said in an interview. So as the market moves away from paper mail, the Postal Service has to find new lines of business. In DeJoy’s plan, that’s packages.


No one is "butt hurt." I don't think anyone disputes that volume is decreasing, or that there is an ever-increasing number of people who don't care about mail service. But the fact that something is on the decline does not mean that it is currently irrelevant. There are still millions and millions of Americans who do depend on mail service, and it's not yet time to throw them under the bus. Maybe that will be different a decade or two down the road, but not today.
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Craig, the poster who said a year ago that he'd be surprised if 25,000 died from the coronavirus, is now an expert on what every person in the country thinks about the mail. LOL

We saw how vital the USPS has been to the country over the past year. Those of us still working through the explosion of packages, the fumbling by the PMG causing months of delayed mail that we are just now catching up from, we've heard from our customers how they've relied on us.

I kinda get the feeling Craig doesn't receive the same appreciation for whatever effort he puts into his job, despite being possibly the best employee in the country.

Sad.
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