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savvygrl  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, May 5, 2021 10:53:49 AM(UTC)
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I'm interested in knowing has anyone held this position at the IRS before?

I have been seeing posting quite frequently for Printing Services Specialists from GS 7-12. However, the few times I have applied, even when being rated Category A- they are still filled by internal applicants.

A little background: I am a federal employee. Working as a mechanical engineer (GS-12). I want to get out of the engineering field because it is not a passion of mines. I did it because my family said it would be a good major in college. I do have some previous Print Service experience so I applied and thought maybe this is a job that I can try again just in the federal government where I can potentially make the same amount of money with less stress of being in a field I don't like.

My questions are:
1. Has anyone worked or been hired/interviewed for a Print Services Specialist
2. Why does the job close then open several months later.
3. Why are there permanent positions announced and temporary NTE positions for the same job announced as well. (with same locations)
4. Does the IRS favor in hiring internally over externally (external as in already government but different agency)
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, May 5, 2021 11:50:28 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: savvygrl Go to Quoted Post
I'm interested in knowing has anyone held this position at the IRS before?

I have been seeing posting quite frequently for Printing Services Specialists from GS 7-12. However, the few times I have applied, even when being rated Category A- they are still filled by internal applicants.

A little background: I am a federal employee. Working as a mechanical engineer (GS-12). I want to get out of the engineering field because it is not a passion of mines. I did it because my family said it would be a good major in college. I do have some previous Print Service experience so I applied and thought maybe this is a job that I can try again just in the federal government where I can potentially make the same amount of money with less stress of being in a field I don't like.

My questions are:
1. Has anyone worked or been hired/interviewed for a Print Services Specialist
2. Why does the job close then open several months later.
3. Why are there permanent positions announced and temporary NTE positions for the same job announced as well. (with same locations)
4. Does the IRS favor in hiring internally over externally (external as in already government but different agency)


I've never heard of this position, it could be pretty niche. As far as I know, the union contract requires internals to be considered first. I haven't seen too many IRS job announcements open to competitive service federal employees, but I'm sure there are some. Frequently, you see an internal announcement and an open to the public announcement.

I worked for another agency and came in on a Public announcement, but I came in under a super common position, I would guess it's easier to get your foot in the door on something with many vacancies vs. only a few, but not impossible.

My understanding is that temp is typically used to fill someone's spot who went on military leave and so their job is saved for the time when they come back, but I'm sure there are other reasons.
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#3 Posted : Thursday, May 6, 2021 3:51:01 AM(UTC)
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I agree I think it is a pretty niche position. There were two vacancies open across 9 states open to the public.

That makes total sense about having better chances coming in on a job with more vacancies. Also, more common jobs tend to mean more applicants so it really balances out in terms of the odds. I don't think that position will probably have 100's or 1000's of applicants even across 9 states lol and a majority of the applicants are probably from my area because government jobs are huge in DC. But I could be wrong.

Okay I never thought about TEMP positions being for reasons like that but that also makes sense. Thank you for your insight.
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The most common entry-level positions in the IRS are at 10 campuses not close to DC, many in just medium-sized cities, with openings frequently in the hundreds or even over a thousand at a time, so they regularly don't have enough applicants for their hiring goals and the odds don't balance out. The odds are much better. It's pretty easy to get a foot in the door as a seasonal career/career-conditional Tax Examiner or Contact Representative. But these are at lower grade levels (GS-5 with promotion potential to 6 or 7 for tax examiners, 8 for contact reps). The seasons at this time are longer per year than the announcements imply, due to the workload, so not that unstable at this time. Employees at these lower grade levels who came in to the IRS that way, can apply for higher-graded positions internally after meeting time in grade and with the right qualifications, and are available for the IRS to choose from.

Yes, the union contract does specify giving internals first consideration for bargaining unit positions.

A lot of higher-graded positions do still hire from outside though. There are so many IT Specialist, Tax Compliance Officer, Revenue Agent, and Revenue Officer openings, which also involve more field offices and aren't concentrated at the campuses, several of these with specific educational qualifications, that these higher-graded positions do still hire a lot from outside (mostly All US Citizens announcements and Pathways recent college graduates), not just internally. To some extent I think Individual Taxpayer Advisory Specialist jobs dotted around the country at field offices hire from outside too. Non-bargaining unit jobs such as HR and Criminal Investigation also probably hire more from outside since they aren't subject to the union contract to consider internal IRS employees first.

As for Printing Services Specialist, I don't know much about it but I see it advertised a lot too. I've also wondered why they keep re-announcing vacancies. Do people not like it and move on? Or do they just keep having more work? Would love to know more info. I agree that as there are so few openings, the chances of being hired from outside the IRS for it aren't that high.

Good luck getting a job you like! Not IRS, but have you thought about becoming a Patent Examiner? I don't know anyone who's been one, but I see it advertised sometimes and I feel like you'd have the special qualifications for it. Maybe you wouldn't dislike it as much as actual engineering.

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#5 Posted : Tuesday, May 25, 2021 4:02:21 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: spence Go to Quoted Post
The most common entry-level positions in the IRS are at 10 campuses not close to DC, many in just medium-sized cities, with openings frequently in the hundreds or even over a thousand at a time, so they regularly don't have enough applicants for their hiring goals and the odds don't balance out. The odds are much better. It's pretty easy to get a foot in the door as a seasonal career/career-conditional Tax Examiner or Contact Representative. But these are at lower grade levels (GS-5 with promotion potential to 6 or 7 for tax examiners, 8 for contact reps). The seasons at this time are longer per year than the announcements imply, due to the workload, so not that unstable at this time. Employees at these lower grade levels who came in to the IRS that way, can apply for higher-graded positions internally after meeting time in grade and with the right qualifications, and are available for the IRS to choose from.

Yes, the union contract does specify giving internals first consideration for bargaining unit positions.

A lot of higher-graded positions do still hire from outside though. There are so many IT Specialist, Tax Compliance Officer, Revenue Agent, and Revenue Officer openings, which also involve more field offices and aren't concentrated at the campuses, several of these with specific educational qualifications, that these higher-graded positions do still hire a lot from outside (mostly All US Citizens announcements and Pathways recent college graduates), not just internally. To some extent I think Individual Taxpayer Advisory Specialist jobs dotted around the country at field offices hire from outside too. Non-bargaining unit jobs such as HR and Criminal Investigation also probably hire more from outside since they aren't subject to the union contract to consider internal IRS employees first.

As for Printing Services Specialist, I don't know much about it but I see it advertised a lot too. I've also wondered why they keep re-announcing vacancies. Do people not like it and move on? Or do they just keep having more work? Would love to know more info. I agree that as there are so few openings, the chances of being hired from outside the IRS for it aren't that high.

Good luck getting a job you like! Not IRS, but have you thought about becoming a Patent Examiner? I don't know anyone who's been one, but I see it advertised sometimes and I feel like you'd have the special qualifications for it. Maybe you wouldn't dislike it as much as actual engineering.



Thank you. That was all good information. I was not aware what bargaining unit positions mean until you further explained. I guess if I really want to change careers, the lower grade positions are a better option for getting into the door.

I keep seeing the same Printing Service Specialist jobs advertised too for usually a week opening period which someone told me usually means a candidate is already in mind but legally the position has to be posted. I am not sure of how true this actually is and I was wondering why they keep re-announcing it as well. I have applied a couple times but always get a internal candidate was selected without even an interview and I have always been category A because I have experience working in a print shop.

I never thought about patent examiner. Still seems a little too close to engineering HAHA. The good luck getting a job I like sounds pretty disheartening like no one has a job that they like these days. Thank you for the sound advice. It is greatly appreciated.
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