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Croissant  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, July 21, 2021 2:29:51 PM(UTC)
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I was notified today that I'm being converted. I work in a plant. The letter they gave me said I'm being converted to "Unassigned Full Time Regular" and my start time and NS days are basically the same I've been doing all along as a PSE.

The letter then went on to say "the 90 day bidding restriction has been waived indefinitely", I'll be able to start bidding after I've been converted on the 31st, and "if you are not the successful bidder, may be placed in a residual vacancy".

I have the following questions:

1. What does "unassigned" mean exactly?
2. What is a residual bid?
3. If I'm reading correctly, if I bid and get beat out by someone else, they might move me into a bid automatically?
4. What if I don't bid? Can I still be moved into a bid without my permission?

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#2 Posted : Wednesday, July 21, 2021 3:30:28 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Croissant Go to Quoted Post
I was notified today that I'm being converted. I work in a plant. The letter they gave me said I'm being converted to "Unassigned Full Time Regular" and my start time and NS days are basically the same I've been doing all along as a PSE.

The letter then went on to say "the 90 day bidding restriction has been waived indefinitely", I'll be able to start bidding after I've been converted on the 31st, and "if you are not the successful bidder, may be placed in a residual vacancy".

I have the following questions:

1. What does "unassigned" mean exactly?

you don't have a specific job. But, you should have a set start/end time and NS days. You seem to indicate that you have this.

2. What is a residual bid?

A bid job that no one bid on.


3. If I'm reading correctly, if I bid and get beat out by someone else, they might move me into a bid automatically?

4. What if I don't bid? Can I still be moved into a bid without my permission?

If you don't bid a job and no one else does, you will be given that residual job.

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#3 Posted : Wednesday, July 21, 2021 4:01:26 PM(UTC)
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Ah', I see. Thanks for the reply.

Hopefully they'll stop raking me over the coals for 4 hours of OT nearly everyday.

Anyone know how to tell where I'll be on the pay scale? I see the scale on the apwu website, but I can't make heads or tails of it.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, July 21, 2021 4:37:20 PM(UTC)
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When you are a FTR, you can sign up for the OT list. Or be an 8 hour only employee. You could still be mandated to work. But management has to follow pecking order rules.

I believe run of the mill clerks are a Level 7 on the pay scale. But I might be wrong.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, July 21, 2021 5:09:08 PM(UTC)
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When you are a FTR, you can sign up for the OT list. Or be an 8 hour only employee. You could still be mandated to work. But management has to follow pecking order rules.

I believe run of the mill clerks are a Level 7 on the pay scale. But I might be wrong.


https://d1ocufyfjsc14h.c...ive_february_27_2021.pdf

Level 6...I just asked a topped out regular clerk in a level 21 office...they are making 64,216

Unless clerks in plants have different levels???
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, July 21, 2021 5:31:19 PM(UTC)
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When you are a FTR, you can sign up for the OT list. Or be an 8 hour only employee. You could still be mandated to work. But management has to follow pecking order rules.

I believe run of the mill clerks are a Level 7 on the pay scale. But I might be wrong.


https://d1ocufyfjsc14h.c...ive_february_27_2021.pdf

Level 6...I just asked a topped out regular clerk in a level 21 office...they are making 64,216

Unless clerks in plants have different levels???


I believe you are correct. Back in 2005 I was a level 5. Clerks negotiate a bump to 6 a few years ago, to the irk of carriers.
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, July 21, 2021 6:44:54 PM(UTC)
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I was notified today that I'm being converted. I work in a plant. The letter they gave me said I'm being converted to "Unassigned Full Time Regular" and my start time and NS days are basically the same I've been doing all along as a PSE.

The letter then went on to say "the 90 day bidding restriction has been waived indefinitely", I'll be able to start bidding after I've been converted on the 31st, and "if you are not the successful bidder, may be placed in a residual vacancy".

I have the following questions:

1. What does "unassigned" mean exactly?

you don't have a specific job. But, you should have a set start/end time and NS days. You seem to indicate that you have this.unassigned regulars do not have set schedules or days off. they're to be notified by wednesday of the coming weeks work schedule. but it is easier for mgt to give a fixed schedule

2. What is a residual bid?

A bid job that no one bid on. In other words it was posted, it just received no qualifying bids.


3. If I'm reading correctly, if I bid and get beat out by someone else, they might move me into a bid automatically?
if you don't bid or do not successfully bid, they can and likely will place you into a residual bid. if there are no residual bids, you could remain an unassigned regular with no set schedule or days off.

4. What if I don't bid? Can I still be moved into a bid without my permission?

If you don't bid a job and no one else does, you will be given that residual job.
you don't bid at your own peril of being placed into the worst job available or even worse remain an unassigned regular at their mercy for a few weeks or months longer

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#8 Posted : Wednesday, July 21, 2021 7:16:52 PM(UTC)
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This will help familiarize the pay and leave structures -
https://apwu.org/pay-information
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#9 Posted : Thursday, July 22, 2021 4:26:10 AM(UTC)

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When you are a FTR, you can sign up for the OT list. Or be an 8 hour only employee. You could still be mandated to work. But management has to follow pecking order rules.

I believe run of the mill clerks are a Level 7 on the pay scale. But I might be wrong.


https://d1ocufyfjsc14h.c...ive_february_27_2021.pdf

Level 6...I just asked a topped out regular clerk in a level 21 office...they are making 64,216

Unless clerks in plants have different levels???


I believe you are correct. Back in 2005 I was a level 5. Clerks negotiate a bump to 6 a few years ago, to the irk of carriers.


What irks is how the APWU did it giving up newly hired PTFs in favor of lower tier PSE's to get their seniors back to pay parity with carriers which ultimately lead to the losing arbitration and CCAs. And with the CCA's limited benefit package and lower pay it became impossible to keep the needed numbers of "pre career" carrier staff in higher cost of living areas and endless mandated overtime
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#10 Posted : Thursday, July 22, 2021 9:35:39 AM(UTC)
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Hope this helps.

https://apwuslc6.org/WHA...0BECOME%20UNASSIGNED.pdf

The one BIG issue I saw in the link was that by being unassigned, any training that is required of the unassigned position is dome ON the clock. The potential BIG problem is should you fail the training you face termination. Not automatic but they can fire you.

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#11 Posted : Thursday, July 22, 2021 2:03:08 PM(UTC)
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Hope this helps.


It helped somewhat, but also made me have more questions.

1. It says "A residual means that a duty assignment went through the entire bid process and nobody bid the job and it went unawarded. Often times these are very undesirable duty assignments."

- OK. So I have to ask; what makes a duty assignment "very undesirable"? Any examples?

2. It mentions "If you get assigned the REC you will have saved grade." and "REC site training".

- What does "REC" mean? I assume it's an acronym of some sort.

3. I'm currently a PSE MPC in a plant. Before this I was a PSE SSDA at a neighborhood office for two years where I worked in the back, sorting and scanning packages. This is going to sound weird/stupid, but the reason I bailed on that first job, in addition to the commute being an hour and 45 minutes, was, I have social anxiety disorder (diagnosed). I knew I would have to take window training eventually, but when I was scheduled to take it, the thought of dealing with a disgruntled customer while trying to concentrate and count out their exact change, just the very thought twisted my stomach into knots and made me dizzy. So two weeks before I was supposed to go to window training, I looked for openings and sure enough they were hiring at a plant closer to my home. I applied, interviewed 3 days later, and received an offer and start date

Anyway, is it possible I could end up getting assigned to a bid that requires window training? =( =|
roger.d  
#12 Posted : Thursday, July 22, 2021 2:27:29 PM(UTC)
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I found the link Gordon provided yesterday. Thanks MPE2009 for correcting my NS days comment.

Being you are in a larger facility, I think it would be unlikely that you would be forced into a window job.

Undesirable is in the eye of the beholder. Some might think manual letters is a bad job. Other, a DBCS. Maybe someone doesn't like the flat sorter, or the small package sorting machine.
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#13 Posted : Thursday, July 22, 2021 2:48:02 PM(UTC)
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REC: remote encoding center.

It hasn't existed for years.

I'd have to look it up to tell you exactly what they did.

Like Roger said... desirable... personal preference.

For me I loved "normal" hours and weekends off.

For the first seven years I did tours where I BT at 0300 or 0400.

Now my old office has someone reporting at midnight. My God.

If you're single and/or don't desire much of a social life... I guess so.
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#14 Posted : Thursday, July 22, 2021 3:32:55 PM(UTC)
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Remote Coding Center:

Would that be pre good "optical character reading" systems? Where employees read and typed in the address into the system so the bar codes could be added to the envelope?
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#15 Posted : Friday, July 23, 2021 10:20:11 AM(UTC)
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Remote Coding Center:

Would that be pre good "optical character reading" systems? Where employees read and typed in the address into the system so the bar codes could be added to the envelope?


We actually still have once such site in Salt Lake City, which is still operating. But yeah, they look at pictures of the mail to interpret the address on the mail.
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