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Are you considering relocating your federal career - either by your choice or by Uncle Sam? There are practical issues and concerns to think about when deciding whether or not to relocate. Others have done it while still others have not. This forum will allow for all to offer their insight, post their questions, and help each other out.

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Rosa Douglas  
#1 Posted : Saturday, September 26, 2009 4:46:39 AM(UTC)
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I took a step down in salary in order to get a job in another state. Doing the same work and then some, can I get my original grade withour the locality pay?
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, September 29, 2009 7:33:53 PM(UTC)
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You get what the job pays where you're at. My same job in DC area, with the same agency, is one grade higher. Same functions, same responsibilities, different pay. I even have more employees here to manage than they do ( I curently work at the 7th largest out of 58, the DC office would be about 55th in size). So you only get what you office where you are has been approved for. At some smaller ofices you are asked to do more (work) with less (pay).
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#3 Posted : Friday, November 13, 2009 10:33:30 AM(UTC)
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When I took a job in a different state, though moving form a special pay scale GS, to a regular rest of the us GS position, I was offered the same step as the job I was in. I heard of others actually negotiating 2 step increases at the transfer time.

I think it all depends on how well you negotiate, and ASK before accepting the job. If you accepted it, it may be too late.

Anyone know if HR is allowed to offer step increases when moving from a non-income tax state to another state to make up for the income tax?

Say GS11/2 from Wyoming moving to Georgia which has a ~6% income tax. Can one get a GS11/4 just to make up for the income tax?


tucker515  
#4 Posted : Friday, November 13, 2009 11:23:18 AM(UTC)
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No- under GS rules in the competitive service if it is a lateral move, the step stays the same.
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#5 Posted : Saturday, November 14, 2009 12:03:20 PM(UTC)
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I wonder how all these people at work got step increases when they took laterals then. Either I am missing something, or the system has been abused in their cases. ( I understand that's what the GS rules say - reason I didn't even think I could ask when I did my lateral)

tucker515  
#6 Posted : Saturday, November 14, 2009 12:19:12 PM(UTC)
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I have no idea- maybe they were under NSPS? I was speaking only of GS. I know if no way someone can get a step increase for a lateral movement (same grade to same grade).


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tucker515  
#7 Posted : Saturday, November 14, 2009 12:25:28 PM(UTC)
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http://www.opm.gov/oca/pay/HTML/ex_pay_actions.asp

Perhaps if someone where moving from a special rate to a non-special rate?

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#8 Posted : Saturday, November 14, 2009 8:43:05 PM(UTC)
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If you were very well qualified (or friends with someone), they could give you a quality step increase as a bone to take the transfer.
computerscott2  
#9 Posted : Monday, November 16, 2009 7:00:56 PM(UTC)
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Or in the case of moving from the special rate to GS scale, the HR specialist may have made a mistake. There was some confusion a few years back and some HR specialists are stillusing the old way of "converting" these people off of the special rate scale. What happens is that the HR Sp uses the special rate as the "base GS" rate and then converts the person over to the base GS scale for the new locale, then locality is added. I actually saw one person pick up a 17K promotion this way when they went fron GS 11 SR to GS 12 Non-SR.
onthemove  
#10 Posted : Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:39:11 AM(UTC)
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I picked up a 2 step increase on a lateral move once.  Receiving activity wrote a justification stating it was in the best interest to the Government to offer the step increase to acquire the candidate.
justamomred  
#11 Posted : Tuesday, April 30, 2013 12:42:00 AM(UTC)
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onthemove: this is the situation I am in. However, people are insisting it cannot be done? That is encouraging.
NurseSue  
#12 Posted : Thursday, May 02, 2013 2:49:59 AM(UTC)
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I have seen 1 -2 step increases before the person came aboard. But the new agency had to write justification for it, they really had to want the person to put the time in for the justification.
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#13 Posted : Thursday, May 02, 2013 3:55:21 AM(UTC)
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THats encouraging! Thanks
mooch2112  
#14 Posted : Thursday, May 02, 2013 4:14:59 AM(UTC)
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hmmm...all this stuff is very interesting

i thought a QSI was a quality step increase with a focus on the "quality" of work completed > i've only known one person to receive such an increase

it could be different policies for different agencies

i've never heard of someone getting a QSI to move from one location to another (or one job to another) because "we just need this person" (need based, not quality based)

i've never heard of someone getting a QSI to offset moving from non-tax state to tax state

what does a need for the person or non-tax state have to do with QUALITY????

in my opinion >>> here is the job offered, here is the grade /step (same grade / step if lateral transfer), take it or leave it, your choice, enough said...if you don't want it under these circumstances, then someone else will, no justification needed, no justification required, end of story
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#15 Posted : Thursday, May 02, 2013 4:38:35 AM(UTC)
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Well I beg to differ with you on your last statement. It is no different then the private industry where you can negotiate salary. Of course it is different to a degree, but I see no reason not to ask. A perfect example my husband was a veteran with only 5 point preference. He never worked for the government. He was offered a GS-14 at the Treasury (GS-14/1). It was less then what he made so I told him you can always try to negotiate a higher step it doesnt hurt to ask. Sure enough they matched it and gave him a 14/8. Now if he didnt ask, he would not have received it. It was a matter of someone really wanting him and putting in the justification for it. It never hurts to ask. I was put in for a QSI a couple times in my career. It takes a very good performance record and a boss that will support you. There is a lot of paper work involved and some people just do not want to be bothered. I had a boss that wanted to do that for me because he knew I was capped out at my grade. so my point here is it never hurts to ask the worst they will say is no.
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#16 Posted : Thursday, May 02, 2013 4:58:35 AM(UTC)
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I disagree that applicants have nothing to lose by trying to negotiate for more salary.

There is always a risk that the selecting official will become annoyed, withdraw the offer, & move on to another applicant.
justamomred  
#17 Posted : Thursday, May 02, 2013 5:08:16 AM(UTC)
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Yes its true but I guess it depends how much you are willing to to take a risk. For my husband he didnt really care and with his skill set he knew they would probably take it. If you really hate where you are at the time you apply and want the job then most people probably wouldnt take a chance.
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#18 Posted : Thursday, May 02, 2013 5:42:42 AM(UTC)
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With his unique skill set, it sounds as though your husband had more leverage than the agency. Usually, applicants are not in such a strong position.

Anyone who gets a job offer these days is obviously a strong applicant, but probably not as in-demand as it sounds like your husband was.
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#19 Posted : Thursday, May 02, 2013 8:20:51 PM(UTC)
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Semi-Retired wrote:
I disagree that applicants have nothing to lose by trying to negotiate for more salary.

There is always a risk that the selecting official will become annoyed, withdraw the offer, & move on to another applicant.


I have yet to see an offer be rescinded due to a salary negotiation REQUEST. I have seen an offer turn in to the "It is what it is. Take it or leave it." due to a salary DEMAND. You are correct that it doesnt hurt to ask politely, but you could hurt your chances if you demand it. I have always asked for more and sometimes got it, sometimes not, but never had the rug pulled out from under me. Now that is not to say that I wasn't offered some jobs because of the high cost of my skills, in other words they selected a less expensive candidate rather than have to meet my current salary.

So sometimes salary is a consideration when hiring/selecting people. In some agencies it matters to get the cheapest person available, in other agencies it matters to get the best skills available and in other agencies it matters to get the most agreeable person available.

So ask politley if you can justify it. It helps if you are already making at or above the level you are requesting. Also do it before you accept the final offer.
TotallyRetired  
#20 Posted : Thursday, May 02, 2013 8:33:52 PM(UTC)
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Applicants (who already have an offer) sometimes bring in a W-2 as a way to establish the worth of their skills.

If negotiating with a W-2 is handled as a very polite request, it can be successful. In this scenario, the applicant is not at much risk of having the offer withdrawn.
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