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#1 Posted : Friday, July 31, 2009 11:04:17 AM(UTC)
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Fox Business News (Video) – “When was the last time you wrote a letter and mailed it to someone? You can’t remember, uh, well that’s the five billion dollar problem facing the US postal service, which faces an uncertain future.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4KIcS_oe7E

Fox Business News (Video) – “Apparently there is something that may keep the US post office from completing its appointed rounds, it’s not rain or snow or gloom of night, it’s cash."

"There's no question Jack Potter is an excellent manager and has been an excellent postmaster general but he's running an institution that's going to lose 12 billion dollars this year before cost savings.”
http://www.foxbusiness.com/search-results/m/22033347/usps-loses-2-8b-aims-to-cut-deliveries.htm

Wisconsin Public Radio (Audio) – “And what if deliveries didn’t happen on Saturday, well you’d probably get more junk mail on Monday, buy would you miss the Saturday deliver?”
http://www.keybridge.biz/articles/Don_Soifer_on_Wisconsin_Public_Radio.mp3

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#2 Posted : Saturday, August 01, 2009 5:59:26 AM(UTC)
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when was the last time i mailed a letter? maybe 6 months ago, my god **** mailman stole my gift certificate and gave me a neatly sliced envelope, the post office is "looking into it" Mad
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#3 Posted : Saturday, August 01, 2009 8:24:26 AM(UTC)
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same thing happened to my son/sister mailed gift card for his b'day all we got was open letter with nothing in it/went to my local po and they said they would look in to it/big fu to the po.
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#4 Posted : Saturday, August 01, 2009 11:42:48 AM(UTC)
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Just an FYI regarding the stolen gift cards -
Just last month, a local city carrier, with over 20 years of service, was fired for stealing gift cards. Customers complained, the Postal Inspectors gave the carrier some "bait", the carrier "bit" and was caught with the gift cards in her possession. Sometimes the bad apples are found and culled out.
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#5 Posted : Saturday, August 01, 2009 12:06:57 PM(UTC)
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i appreciate the po's effort, but let me guess, they transferred her? :|
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#6 Posted : Saturday, August 01, 2009 4:49:43 PM(UTC)
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Well, generally transfers are done when the person in trouble is in management. When they are a craft worker they are normally terminated when possible.

Just my 2¢ worth on the matter . . .
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#7 Posted : Sunday, August 02, 2009 9:10:22 AM(UTC)
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She was led out the door and said goodbye to her career. No ifs, ands, or buts.
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#8 Posted : Sunday, August 02, 2009 3:24:09 PM(UTC)
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Getting back on topic, most young people don't need postal services. They correspond online; they pay bills online; and if they read at all, they do it via online editions of periodicals and other sources online. Once in a while, they will get a small package that they order online. Big deal; that won't keep the USPS afloat.

One of the major news organizations did a random survey a while back to see what "average" Americans thought about elimination of one day of mail delivery. A majority responded that they didn't care about the loss of a day of service. More tellingly, a number said they didn't care if they only got their mail a couple of times a week. There wasn't anything so urgent for them that they needed daily service. Most urgent business is conducted over the phone or by email. I suppose the main reason this group of people didn't care about daily service is because for them, all they looked forward to was their "junk mail." Maybe they just didn't want to miss out on that Pappa John's pizza coupon.

Some fine day, the direct mail marketing people are going to get the picture, too, and discover that the effectiveness of their Standard Mail is marginal at best, as most of it goes directly into the recycling. My son formerly worked in the print advertising industry and from what he has told me, customers who buy print advertising often don't know how effective their ad product is; they just know "they should do it because that's what businesses do." The change away from direct mail advertising is likely to be slow because the industry has such a huge investment in plant and equipment that they are reluctant to give up on. It's inevitable, however, as there is no greater cause of change in a business than continued loss of customers and therefore money. Look at the newspaper business.

Remember that the US Postal Service is reactive, not pro-active. They respond to events, they don't shape them. There is nothing that the PO can change that somebody else isn't already doing or can't do better or cheaper. This includes carrier functions, too. There are plenty of hungry businesses and people out there who will deliver house-to-house for considerably less than $60-65K per year.

People in the work force just have to bend with the breeze. Look at what electronics and the cyber world have done to so many enterprises and industrial processes. The list of obsolete occupations grows longer all the time. At one time in this country, there were hundreds of buggy-whip makers; when horse-drawn transportation went away, so did the buggy-whip industry. My son whom I've mentioned saw what was happening in the print news/advertising industry, and switched over to on-line add sales and is making a very decent living at it. He is a very flexible person; when that becomes obsolete, I'm sure he'll find something else to take it's place.

Sure, when postal jobs go away replacement jobs won't pay as much. To some degree, postal wages are artificially high because of politics, government backing, and a climate that has favored public employment unions while the rest of the workforce has withered. All of those advantages for postal labor may gradually go away as postal usefulness declines and service becomes increasingly obsolete causing financial losses to mount. Once again, money will decide the course of the future.

However, smart postal employees who lose their jobs will tend to prosper in new ones because they are smart; the slugs on the work room floor will get much lower wage jobs as is only right.
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#9 Posted : Friday, August 07, 2009 11:04:22 AM(UTC)
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nkc girl:

"i agree, he should be fired for lining his and his cohorts pockets and running the Postal Service into the ground. remember he was hired by the Bush regime and their main goal was to privatize."

"There's no question Jack Potter is an excellent manager and has been an excellent postmaster general but he's running an institution that's going to lose 12 billion dollars this year before cost savings.”

http://www.foxbusiness.com/search-results/m/22033347/usps-loses-2-8b-aims-to-cut-deliveries.htm

its Bush's fault! (for hiring a quality PMG)

a more accurate statement would be:

"i agree, he (william burrus) should be fired for lining his and his cohorts pockets and running the Postal Service into the ground. remember he will be supported by the obama regime and their main goal is to consolidate power."

the postal service has been run into the ground DESPITE Potter.
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:55:16 AM(UTC)
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quote:
Originally posted by 4ti2de:
i appreciate the po's effort, but let me guess, they transferred her? :|


My God, what a stupid thing to say! What, are you jealous, frustrated, and jobless? The PO fires thieves immediately.
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#11 Posted : Thursday, August 13, 2009 7:17:06 AM(UTC)
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quote:
Originally posted by Feelthepain:
quote:
Originally posted by 4ti2de:
i appreciate the po's effort, but let me guess, they transferred her? :|


My God, what a stupid thing to say! What, are you jealous, frustrated, and jobless? The PO fires thieves immediately.


well, one postal worker in our area hit another with a baseball bat on the leg. the two male postal workers were fighting over a female postal worker (whos been around the block more than once). in a private company, he would have been fired immediately. so the same thing happened at the post office right? nope, they transferred him to another facility. this is not a rumor, most postal workers in our area know all about it
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#12 Posted : Saturday, February 27, 2010 8:55:33 AM(UTC)
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"There's no question Jack Potter is an excellent manager and has been an excellent postmaster general but he's running an institution that's going to lose 12 billion dollars this year before cost savings."

Potter is not an idiot.

Bush is not an idiot.

Obama is not a communist or socialist.

Could we stop the flame wars?

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#13 Posted : Saturday, February 27, 2010 9:42:48 AM(UTC)
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Our "Guest", 2 posts above, better known as BigCdub, should stay in his own backyard and stop bashing the Postal Service for sport.
 Anyway, we all know what Potter is.Clown
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#14 Posted : Saturday, February 27, 2010 10:23:00 AM(UTC)
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robb79ie wrote:
Getting back on topic, most young people don't need postal services. They correspond online; they pay bills online; and if they read at all, they do it via online editions of periodicals and other sources online. Once in a while, they will get a small package that they order online. Big deal; that won't keep the USPS afloat.

One of the major news organizations did a random survey a while back to see what "average" Americans thought about elimination of one day of mail delivery. A majority responded that they didn't care about the loss of a day of service. More tellingly, a number said they didn't care if they only got their mail a couple of times a week. There wasn't anything so urgent for them that they needed daily service. Most urgent business is conducted over the phone or by email. I suppose the main reason this group of people didn't care about daily service is because for them, all they looked forward to was their "junk mail." Maybe they just didn't want to miss out on that Pappa John's pizza coupon.

Some fine day, the direct mail marketing people are going to get the picture, too, and discover that the effectiveness of their Standard Mail is marginal at best, as most of it goes directly into the recycling. My son formerly worked in the print advertising industry and from what he has told me, customers who buy print advertising often don't know how effective their ad product is; they just know "they should do it because that's what businesses do." The change away from direct mail advertising is likely to be slow because the industry has such a huge investment in plant and equipment that they are reluctant to give up on. It's inevitable, however, as there is no greater cause of change in a business than continued loss of customers and therefore money. Look at the newspaper business.

Remember that the US Postal Service is reactive, not pro-active. They respond to events, they don't shape them. There is nothing that the PO can change that somebody else isn't already doing or can't do better or cheaper. This includes carrier functions, too. There are plenty of hungry businesses and people out there who will deliver house-to-house for considerably less than $60-65K per year.

People in the work force just have to bend with the breeze. Look at what electronics and the cyber world have done to so many enterprises and industrial processes. The list of obsolete occupations grows longer all the time. At one time in this country, there were hundreds of buggy-whip makers; when horse-drawn transportation went away, so did the buggy-whip industry. My son whom I've mentioned saw what was happening in the print news/advertising industry, and switched over to on-line add sales and is making a very decent living at it. He is a very flexible person; when that becomes obsolete, I'm sure he'll find something else to take it's place.

Sure, when postal jobs go away replacement jobs won't pay as much. To some degree, postal wages are artificially high because of politics, government backing, and a climate that has favored public employment unions while the rest of the workforce has withered. All of those advantages for postal labor may gradually go away as postal usefulness declines and service becomes increasingly obsolete causing financial losses to mount. Once again, money will decide the course of the future.

However, smart postal employees who lose their jobs will tend to prosper in new ones because they are smart; the slugs on the work room floor will get much lower wage jobs as is only right.
 
 
Over 50% of customers comeing to the window are young people. They sell online and ship through the PO. They generate a hell of a lot of revenue. I don't know where your from but maybe there are no young people there. My area has plenty of young people with money for postage.
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#15 Posted : Saturday, February 27, 2010 10:20:09 PM(UTC)
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Whoa, back up a few posts folks! Preferrably all the way back to the beginning. "There's no question Jack Potter is an excellent manager and has been an excellent postmaster general but he's running an institution that's going to lose 12 billion dollars this year before cost savings." How in the civilized, educated world can anyone who succesfully balances their checkbook not see the problem with the above statement? How is someone "successful" running a nationwide "business" AT A LOSS?!?!?!? I have serious doubts that PMG Potter could run a company with only one employee (himself). It's past time for him to be shown the door.
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#16 Posted : Sunday, February 28, 2010 1:37:51 AM(UTC)
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Of all the idiotic things I have seen in the news this has got to be Number 1 as of now.Jack PotterClown is the cause of the post office loosing money.The captain is always responsable.It was his place to see that his upper management team were doing what they were supposed to be doing.Not out charging $50K on their postal credit cards and staying in 5 star luxury suites when they were supposed to be there on business.He is responsable for signing a contract with labor saying he would have the PO abide by it then turn around and let his subordinates not only ignore it but abuse it.He is a liar,and a theif because he is responsable for not doing anything about his management team.Let's get real, it's not minor things in random sites.It is systemic and he has, and will, not do anything to stop it.It's time for Potter to go the way of the dinosaurs.If your not going to lead then get the hell out of the way.Angry
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#17 Posted : Sunday, February 28, 2010 8:48:02 AM(UTC)
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2ndtimearound wrote:
Whoa, back up a few posts folks! Preferrably all the way back to the beginning. "There's no question Jack Potter is an excellent manager and has been an excellent postmaster general but he's running an institution that's going to lose 12 billion dollars this year before cost savings." How in the civilized, educated world can anyone who succesfully balances their checkbook not see the problem with the above statement? How is someone "successful" running a nationwide "business" AT A LOSS?!?!?!? I have serious doubts that PMG Potter could run a company with only one employee (himself). It's past time for him to be shown the door.


"There's no question Jack Potter is an excellent manager and has been an excellent postmaster general but he's running an institution that's going to lose 12 billion dollars this year before cost savings."

Well, maybe without Potter the loss could have been 24 billion dollars. If you look at it this way he could be considered "successful." Potter is the "captain" of an organization of 700,000 employees. Is he really that powerful? If he has 37 vice presidents, is he really that powerful?

Potter is just one part of a massive bureaucracy. It's not all his fault.
Bush was just one part of a massive bureaucracy. It's not all his fault.
Obama is just one part of a massive bureaucracy. It's not all his fault.

These people are not as powerful as the media makes them out to be. Checks and balances limit their power and should limit their blame.

The USPS is an organization, not just one person. Furthermore, you can't expect every single person in an organization to dutifully follow the top dog's orders; if everyone doesn't follow the leader's orders, he should not receive all the blame.

The USPS is going to be around for decades to come, don't worry about Potter.
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#18 Posted : Sunday, February 28, 2010 9:06:21 AM(UTC)
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And for those complaining about union presidents, they're just one part of large bureaucracies. Don't chase the mascot with pitchforks and torches.
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#19 Posted : Sunday, February 28, 2010 9:10:50 AM(UTC)
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He does have the power to correct the problems you proclaim is not within his power.He is the cheif in charge, it is his watch, and he is the one refered to as captain of the ship USPS,it is his responsability and making excuses will not change it.He has the power to make his team do his bidding,and maybe they are,who but he knows.It is his fault.If he cannot control his people then he as well as they need to be removed.You cannot shuck the responsabilites of a job with the lame excuse "I didn't know."It's his job to know,to claim otherwise is admition of an inept and incompetant direction to your duties.You are not leading when you let your subordinates run wild like toddlers in a toy shop.Angry The only excellancy about Potter is his desire to be refered to as his Excellancy.Clown rich1mc12010-02-28 17:20:49
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#20 Posted : Sunday, February 28, 2010 9:27:14 AM(UTC)
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There is also a cure for those who don't follow your orders.You don't hide them behind a door,you show them the door!Yes his powers are limited thank god,or he would have use out of bussiness by now.We haven't loss as much as he would have you believe.He and his cronies are trying to make a case for what they want.So they hide the true numbers and make reports say what they want.Alie is still a lie no matter how you omit the truth.Was it just a coincidence that the OIG discovered a $78 billion dollar overpayment,I don't for 1 second believe anyone who knows how to lead a company could make that kind of mistake.My god thats larger than some county's GNP.Geek rich1mc12010-02-28 20:26:06
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