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erin  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, January 12, 2011 1:57:55 AM(UTC)
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Just curious...Anyone know how many people are referred when they are "referred to the selecting official?" Is it capped at a certain amount?
 
I'm sure it varies between positions, but I guess I am just curious about how big a pile my resume is stuck in when it goes to the SO. Anyone have any idea? HR folks?
 
And, no, I know it doesn't matter how big the pile is, just whether or not they pick my resume (um, which they haven't ;)  ) but I still wonder.
 
I apply for attorney positions (and occaisionally others that have an overlap of skills), and I heard a rumor that for one of them there were over 600 applications-I wonder if that is the applications, or the list that goes to the SO...I am referred most of the time, but never hear anything after that.
 
Like someone else's philosophy (my apologies, I can't remember who said it), where applying to Fed jobs is her hobby, I treat it as playing lotto. I would love to win at the game. I don't quit my day job in the hopes a fed app will pan out, but I keep playing.
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, January 12, 2011 1:59:43 AM(UTC)
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I doubt that's the list that goes to the SO.  It sounds much more like it was just the list of applicants.  A list of 600 would simply be too big to be useful to the SO.
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erin  
#3 Posted : Wednesday, January 12, 2011 2:01:45 AM(UTC)
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Makes sense KG-so it isn't just every qualified application that goes, it has to be a "reasonable" number?
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, January 12, 2011 2:11:48 AM(UTC)
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Well supposedly it should be the entire group of "best qualified" applicants. 
JLW  
#5 Posted : Wednesday, January 12, 2011 2:33:42 AM(UTC)
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I was Army. But as an SO I would get a list of qualified, highly qualified, and best qualified. I could make my choice from that list (with appropriate justification). So I would listen to my hiring panel, but could overide if I felt the need. Seldom needed to.
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, January 12, 2011 2:43:29 AM(UTC)
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The size of a referral list can depend on the job, grade, or agency.  For my last last interview for a GS-14 position the referral list had 35 people on it and they interviewed all 35.  The cutoff score for referral was 94.  It took 3 weeks to do all of the interviews.  Most of the jobs I apply to have 150-250 applicants and the certs have about 20 names.  Everyone that says apply to higher grades if you can is correct.  I agree that the odds of getting a Federal job can be like winning the lottery but I make the process a challenge not a hobby.  
erin  
#7 Posted : Wednesday, January 12, 2011 3:20:57 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for the replies.
 
Blau. applying to higher grades makes sense-there must be less people that fit the bill.
 
 
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, January 12, 2011 11:35:10 PM(UTC)
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erin wrote:
........... I heard a rumor that for one of them there were over 600 applications
 
Most of the time, those rumors are BALONEY.  I've even had a HR rep to tell me once they received over 3,000 applications (Yes, three thousand) for a position that only had (2) vacancies.  An admin position at that.  She was making it sound as if it was the most sought after job in the entire government.  PUH-leeeeze...... Thumbs Down
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erin  
#9 Posted : Wednesday, January 12, 2011 11:47:59 PM(UTC)
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Lol-that's reassuring Big Sarge!
 
I guess with the economy the way it has been (getting better? less bad?) and the hysteria that goes along with that, it is easier to believe the rumors...
 
However many applicants there are, they can't all be eligable, anyway (I know I'm not always) but I just wondered how big the pool generally is when it gets to SO
 
 
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, January 12, 2011 11:57:46 PM(UTC)
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I applied for a GS-7 position that is essentially an admin position.  The hiring official told me that 735 people applied for the job, 250 were put on the cert and they were only hiring 21 people.  I do know that at higher GS levels the number of qualified applicants usually drops, but at GS-7 and below there are usually quite a few applicants.
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#11 Posted : Thursday, January 13, 2011 12:08:26 AM(UTC)
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At cpol.army.mil, you can review your status once the announcement closes.  The system will show how many applicants applied for the position. My husband applied in Alexandria, VA for a HRSpecialist GS-11 there were 961 applicants and a HR Assistant GS-05, there were 822.  I agree each of those applicant's aren't necessarily fully qualified for the job.  By the way, it looks as if more applicants apply for the metro DC jobs.

erin  
#12 Posted : Thursday, January 13, 2011 12:27:57 AM(UTC)
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Wow those are big numbers. Too bad usajobs doesn't have that option.

Lol-dc area jobs are about the only ones I DON'T appy for!
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#13 Posted : Thursday, January 13, 2011 2:31:52 AM(UTC)
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I applied for a position that said only the first 50 applicants would be considered.
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#14 Posted : Thursday, January 13, 2011 3:21:35 AM(UTC)
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Could be any number.  We had a GS-09 level job that had 100+ on the cert.  Then, there was the Comptroller GS-14 job that had 35.  And lastly, there was another GS-09 level job that had only 2. 
cityfed  
#15 Posted : Thursday, January 13, 2011 8:57:11 AM(UTC)
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We have had hundreds of applicants for our GS-9 and GS-7 positions. Nearly as many for GS-11, but we hire in one of the more competitive series in gov't.  The rumors aren't baloney - I've seen the stacks of applications myself.  We get them all!  (Direct hire)
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#16 Posted : Thursday, January 13, 2011 9:45:54 AM(UTC)
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cityfed wrote:
We have had hundreds of applicants for our GS-9 and GS-7 positions. Nearly as many for GS-11, but we hire in one of the more competitive series in gov't.  The rumors aren't baloney - I've seen the stacks of applications myself.  We get them all!  (Direct hire)


Just out of curiousity, which job series is this?
Equally Wrong  
#17 Posted : Thursday, January 13, 2011 9:48:10 AM(UTC)
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same here erin. i finally got my resume up to standard and started making 'referred to SO' list at the end of last summer. there has not been the least little contact from any agency outside of the reading my status on USAJobs. Oh, occassionally I get a NOR email and finally either the 'job has been cancel' or 'another candidate has been selected' letter, but not a single interview. Since the government has done away with point system and now using the category rating system, it seems i have been making the 'best qualified list' more often. i am greatful for that, but getting the interview seems just so damn elusive.
Big Sarge  
#18 Posted : Thursday, January 13, 2011 8:42:57 PM(UTC)
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cityfed wrote:
We have had hundreds of applicants for our GS-9 and GS-7 positions. Nearly as many for GS-11, but we hire in one of the more competitive series in gov't.  The rumors aren't baloney - I've seen the stacks of applications myself.  We get them all!  (Direct hire)
 
Hundreds is one thing but when you claim several thousands of applications rec'vd for one position, that is quite a stretch.  No way you can expect anyone to believe that each and every app rec'vd will be printed, placed in a stack and manually screen each one for specific qualifications with the advanced software available.  We are no longer in the 1980s.
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Equally Wrong  
#19 Posted : Thursday, January 13, 2011 10:52:35 PM(UTC)
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Big Sarge wrote:
Hundreds is one thing but when you claim several thousands of applications rec'vd for one position, that is quite a stretch.  No way you can expect anyone to believe that each and every app rec'vd will be printed, placed in a stack and manually screen each one for specific qualifications with the advanced software available.  We are no longer in the 1980s.
 
I have received emails stating 'because of the high number of applicants only the most qualified will be rated'. It took me a while to grasp what they were saying, but it finally came to me that initally a computer scans your application and assigned a 'preliminary score'. if this score is not high enough they can immediately discard your application. And based on some of the application numbers i've seen on cpol, i don't think it unreasonable to hit a 1000+ applications for one job. 2000+ might be a stretch but for some jobs i'm sure it happens.
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#20 Posted : Thursday, January 13, 2011 11:33:51 PM(UTC)
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Big Sarge wrote:
cityfed wrote:
We have had hundreds of applicants for our GS-9 and GS-7 positions. Nearly as many for GS-11, but we hire in one of the more competitive series in gov't.  The rumors aren't baloney - I've seen the stacks of applications myself.  We get them all!  (Direct hire)
 
Hundreds is one thing but when you claim several thousands of applications rec'vd for one position, that is quite a stretch.  No way you can expect anyone to believe that each and every app rec'vd will be printed, placed in a stack and manually screen each one for specific qualifications with the advanced software available.  We are no longer in the 1980s.


Certainly believe what you want.

To the previous question, I have been involved in hiring for the 1102 series.
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