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Mike DeFelice  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:00:40 AM(UTC)
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Has anyone heard anything regarding the availability of PALACE ACQUIRE slots for FY2012?  I know they usually advertise (on USAJobs) available slots in October of every year (which would be October 2011).

Also, any idea why there isn't a CY2011 recruitment schedule?

KeyLimePie  
#2 Posted : Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:03:07 AM(UTC)
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I believe Palace Acquire appointments were made through FCIP.  I'm not in that agency but my guess would be that they are waiting for guidance on how to make the appointments under the new Pathways program.  When I applied for Palace Acquire a few years ago, I didn't receive a notification of results until later in the spring (applied in late October).
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, January 26, 2011 10:26:02 AM(UTC)
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Agree with KeyLimePie on the time frame and Palace Acquire appointments are FCIP.  I am in the program now.
Mike DeFelice  
#4 Posted : Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:39:14 PM(UTC)
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What does FCIP stand for and what is its significance?

I've never heard that acronym before.

Thanks.

Mike DeFelice2011-01-27 05:45:08
elcid89  
#5 Posted : Thursday, January 27, 2011 12:27:09 AM(UTC)
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Mike DeFelice wrote:
What does FCIP stand for and what is its significance?


Federal Career Intern Program. It was an excepted hiring authority, established by executive order, that was intended to allow agencies to hire, outside of the normal competitive hiring process, recent graduates who would otherwise have been non-competitive. A way to slide some new & fresh into the environment, as it were.

In many cases it got abused by the agencies as a way to avoid the competitive process altogether, and was challenged in an MSPB appeal and found to violate the veterans preference laws. It was eliminated by executive order effective 1 MAR 2011
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Mike DeFelice  
#6 Posted : Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:34:42 PM(UTC)
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Thanks.

Now I understand the David Dean hatred.

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hurley21  
#7 Posted : Saturday, February 26, 2011 3:15:01 AM(UTC)
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I spoke to one of the representatives for the program at AFPC and he said that they simply haven't been given authorization to go ahead with hiring anyone because no one really knows how the new Pathways program will differ and more specifically, when any funding will come down for it. 
Mike DeFelice  
#8 Posted : Sunday, February 27, 2011 10:45:36 PM(UTC)
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Okay.

When you say "hiring anyone," are you talking about for FY 2011?  That is, for applications that were submitted via USAJobs in October 2010?

Thanks.

Preference Vet  
#9 Posted : Sunday, February 27, 2011 11:51:52 PM(UTC)
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Mike DeFelice wrote:
Thanks.

Now I understand the David Dean hatred.


While David Dean (and Larry Evans) brought down the FCIP, there have been attacks on the FCIP for a while including the National Treasury Employees Union.  Despite the fact that the problems with the FCIP were not limited to veterans' preference, David Dean himself is just plain obnoxious.  A couple of years ago under another screen name David and I got into it, although I didn't know it was him because he was using a different screen name too.

I should threw out there that FCIP hirees that survive conversion may still be in jeopardy because there is a legal requirement that either a federal appointee pass an examination or be lawfully excepted from it and conversion to competitive appointments don't provide it.  Since the MSPB has found that the FCIP does not provide a legitimate exception to competitive examination, that unless an FCIP appointee receives an appointment through external appointment which includes an examination, or they receive a legitimate excepted service appointment, there is the potential to be removed at some point.
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#10 Posted : Monday, February 28, 2011 12:04:43 AM(UTC)
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Preference Vet wrote:
Mike DeFelice wrote:
Thanks.

Now I understand the David Dean hatred.


While David Dean (and Larry Evans) brought down the FCIP, there have been attacks on the FCIP for a while including the National Treasury Employees Union.  Despite the fact that the problems with the FCIP were not limited to veterans' preference, David Dean himself is just plain obnoxious.  A couple of years ago under another screen name David and I got into it, although I didn't know it was him because he was using a different screen name too.

I should threw out there that FCIP hirees that survive conversion may still be in jeopardy because there is a legal requirement that either a federal appointee pass an examination or be lawfully excepted from it and conversion to competitive appointments don't provide it.  Since the MSPB has found that the FCIP does not provide a legitimate exception to competitive examination, that unless an FCIP appointee receives an appointment through external appointment which includes an examination, or they receive a legitimate excepted service appointment, there is the potential to be removed at some point.
 
What sort of examination are you talking about?
hurley21  
#11 Posted : Monday, February 28, 2011 12:13:16 AM(UTC)
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Yes, nothing for this year.  That is why no one has seen any dates on their recruiting schedule.  
Preference Vet  
#12 Posted : Monday, February 28, 2011 3:02:37 AM(UTC)
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ryee925 wrote:
Preference Vet wrote:
Mike DeFelice wrote:
Thanks.

Now I understand the David Dean hatred.


While David Dean (and Larry Evans) brought down the FCIP, there have been attacks on the FCIP for a while including the National Treasury Employees Union.  Despite the fact that the problems with the FCIP were not limited to veterans' preference, David Dean himself is just plain obnoxious.  A couple of years ago under another screen name David and I got into it, although I didn't know it was him because he was using a different screen name too.

I should threw out there that FCIP hirees that survive conversion may still be in jeopardy because there is a legal requirement that either a federal appointee pass an examination or be lawfully excepted from it and conversion to competitive appointments don't provide it.  Since the MSPB has found that the FCIP does not provide a legitimate exception to competitive examination, that unless an FCIP appointee receives an appointment through external appointment which includes an examination, or they receive a legitimate excepted service appointment, there is the potential to be removed at some point.
 
What sort of examination are you talking about?


Tests are required for specific groups including foreign service officers,
customs, some secretarial and clerical, air traffic control, law enforcement,
postal service, and for certain entry level jobs. The majority — approximately
80% — of government jobs are filled through a competitive examination of your background, work experience, and education, not through a written test.


http://federaljobs.net/exams.htm
iBEAM  
#13 Posted : Tuesday, March 01, 2011 8:55:09 AM(UTC)
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I am in the PALACE Acquire program. We, in our field, have been told that they will not be recruiting or hiring any new PAQs for this fiscal year. This allows them to develop a new plan for hiring that complies with new Recent Graduates program that went into effect by Executive Order today.
Mike DeFelice  
#14 Posted : Wednesday, March 02, 2011 5:13:47 AM(UTC)
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iBEAM wrote:
I am in the PALACE Acquire program. We, in our field, have been told that they will not be recruiting or hiring any new PAQs for this fiscal year. This allows them to develop a new plan for hiring that complies with new Recent Graduates program that went into effect by Executive Order today.


What field are you in?
KeyLimePie  
#15 Posted : Wednesday, March 02, 2011 6:52:50 AM(UTC)
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In reference to the remark about the exam, I believe FCIP positions that were subject to the Luevano consent decree required the ACWA exam.  I think at our agency may have been given through an occupational questionnaire on USAJOBS.  
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iBEAM  
#16 Posted : Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:46:39 AM(UTC)
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the PALACE Acquire positions that are going to be open for fy12 are posted on usajobs as of today, with a closing date of 11 march 2011.... that's just 3 days posted, kids.
Mike DeFelice  
#17 Posted : Monday, March 14, 2011 3:54:22 AM(UTC)
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Regarding Palace Acquire, was intelligence one of the career fields that closed on 11March?

Thanks.

AKAtude08  
#18 Posted : Monday, March 14, 2011 4:38:51 AM(UTC)
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Mike DeFelice wrote:
Regarding Palace Acquire, was intelligence one of the career fields that closed on 11March?

Thanks.
 
The position was listed as a "Security Specialist".
Ryos  
#19 Posted : Monday, March 14, 2011 5:50:36 AM(UTC)
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AKAtude08 wrote:
Mike DeFelice wrote:
Regarding Palace Acquire, was intelligence one of the career fields that closed on 11March?

Thanks.
 
The position was listed as a "Security Specialist".


Information protection isn't too similar to 0132.  Not sure if Intel was represented as one of the career fields though I'd be surprised if it didn't have some slots.  It wasn't selecting for one of the bases I wanted to go to though so it was off my list.
tom42  
#20 Posted : Monday, March 14, 2011 9:21:46 AM(UTC)
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I applied to some of the postings the other day when they were open. I'm just under a year out of college, interned with a large defense contractor the following summer, then have worked up until the present as an IT analyst contractor supporting a government agency. I actually have a social science degree, though.

iBEAM or anyone else familiar w the program---would someone at my level (and non-technical degree) possibly be able to get an interview for this program (I applied for Management Analyst and Security Specialist which looked like good fits)? I suspect that many of the upcoming cohort will be mid-career with a lot of experience and education under their belts.

Also, I didn't attend a career fair where reps from this program were in attendance--is that a disqualifier? Just want to get an opinion on if I have a shot--I got a flood of emails today with NOR scores for these positions, not sure what that means.

Thanks in advance

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