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gLAH  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, October 26, 2011 7:35:46 AM(UTC)

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Can anyone tell me how the two-step promotion rule applies to a situation where one is topped out at step 10 in a series?  This is a GS series 9 step 10 going to a promotion in GS series 11 (GS 10 does not apply to this position - always goes directly from a 9 to an 11).  What would the correct step in the GS 11 series be for a promotion under the two-step promotion rule?

http://www.opm.gov/oca/pay/html/promotion.asp
Thanks for any info!
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, October 26, 2011 7:45:10 AM(UTC)

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The fact that your going from a 9 to an 11 doesn't change anything.  Still two steps. 
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Just look at what your salary is as a GS-09 step 10, and then look across the GS-11 scale and go up two steps. It would probably make you a GS-11, step 6. Our pay scales might vary due to high cost areas, etc. But a step 6 would probably be about right.
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Subtract the GS-9 step 8 pay from the GS-9 step ten pay. That amounts to the amount of a two step increase. Add that figure to the 9 step ten pay. Find the first GS-11 step where the pay exceeds that amount. GoHuskers2011-10-27 10:37:16
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Like they mentioned above. 2 steps.
I looked at the 2011 GS Pay scale and there is a $1385 increase between each step. (check your locality area for the exact amount, as it varies, depending on area of the country/locality changes that)

Therefore, 1385 x 2 = $2770, therefore GS-11 is higher than $56,798.00  (54,028 + 2770)
You should be HIGHER than that figure on the GS-11 scale. That would be GS-11, step 5 = $56,991


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#6 Posted : Wednesday, October 26, 2011 10:25:37 PM(UTC)

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Halfbreed did the math way. You can take the easy way and look on the base chart.

http://www.opm.gov/oca/11tables/html/gs.asp and it shows the WGI for the GS-9 level as 1385.

When in doubt always go to the base chart, do the calculation and then go to your pay chart.
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#7 Posted : Friday, October 28, 2011 2:10:04 AM(UTC)

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Thanks everyone for you quick responses.
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#8 Posted : Monday, February 6, 2012 11:11:31 PM(UTC)
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So, lets see if I am reading this correctly. I am currently a GS11 step10 and when I advance to GS12 it will be a 12 step6 because step 4 is the closet "equal" pay then plus two steps or am I wrong and I should be expecting to become a 12 step5? Thanks
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#9 Posted : Monday, February 6, 2012 11:45:37 PM(UTC)
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captgriggs wrote:
So, lets see if I am reading this correctly. I am currently a GS11 step10 and when I advance to GS12 it will be a 12 step6 because step 4 is the closet "equal" pay then plus two steps or am I wrong and I should be expecting to become a 12 step5? Thanks
No...looks like you would be step 6.
 
You go up 2 "steps" from step 10 (look at http://www.opm.gov/oca/12tables/html/gs.asp.  The WGI for GS11 is $1676.  So GS11 step 10 plus 2 "steps" is $65371+$1676+$1676=$68723.  Nearest step on the GS12 scale that is not less than this is step 6 ($70319).  Step 5 is $68310, so is lower than what it should be.
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, February 7, 2012 2:06:50 AM(UTC)

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I hope these answer help you.
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, February 7, 2012 2:11:29 AM(UTC)
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Great! that's what I was hoping for was the step 6. Thanks everyone!
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#12 Posted : Monday, July 30, 2012 10:18:10 PM(UTC)
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So how does this work if you're currently at a step 6?  Do you go to step 1 of the next grade?  Step 2? 3?  Step 6 is lower than my upcoming promotion's step 1 (e.g. going from gs11->gs12 or gs12->gs13).  Where would I be promoted to?
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#13 Posted : Monday, July 30, 2012 10:27:12 PM(UTC)

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If you are at step six, your find the pay of step 8 in the current grade, then you find the similar pay at the new pay grade.  You round up to determine the step in the new grade.
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First off find your chart. http://www.opm.gov/oca/12tables/indexgs.asp I will use RUS for my example.
 
So, for this exercise we will assume the person is a GS 11 step 6 (11/6). Two steps moves the amount to 11/8 for a dollar amount 0f 70801. So we take that amount to the 12 line and find the next highest to be 12/2.
 





Grade Step 1 Step 2 Step 3 Step 4 Step 5 Step 6 Step 7 Step 8 Step 9 Step 10
11 57408 59321 61234 63148 65061 66974 68888 70801 72714 74628
12 68809 71102 73396 75689 77983 80276 82570 84863 87157 89450
 
So there you are. Now a year has passed and you are about to be promoted to a 13. Your step 2 will have moved to a step 3 the day before the promo. However the GS 12 steps 1-4 will all end up as 13/1. Do the two step on each of the steps below and you will see that.
 





Grade Step 1 Step 2 Step 3 Step 4 Step 5 Step 6 Step 7 Step 8 Step 9 Step 10
12 68809 71102 73396 75689 77983 80276 82570 84863 87157 89450
13 81823 84550 87278 90005 92732 95459 98187 100914 103641 106369
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#15 Posted : Monday, July 30, 2012 11:17:51 PM(UTC)

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The way I have always heard it done, you would come in as a 12 step 1, no matter what, then get your 2 steps, so the example above would end up as step 3. 
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Here is the OPM language. http://www.opm.gov/oca/pay/html/promotion.asp Take note of step B.
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Promotion Rule - Standard Method





Step A
If applicable, apply the geographic conversion rule to determine the employee's rate(s) and range(s) of basic pay based on the employee's position of record before promotion and the new official worksite. Also, if applicable, provide any simultaneous within-grade increase or quality step increase. Use the resulting rate(s) of basic pay as the existing rate(s) in effect immediately before promotion in applying steps B and C.

Step B
Identify the employee's existing GS rate (or LEO special base rate) in the grade before promotion, and increase that rate by two GS within-grade increases for that grade.

Step C
Determine the payable (highest) rate of basic pay for the step or rate determined in step B by applying any locality payment or special rate supplement applicable to the given grade, based on the employee's position of record before promotion and official worksite after promotion. (If the rate determined in step B is above the range maximum, use the same locality payment or special rate supplement that applies to rates within the rate range.)

Step D
Identify the highest applicable rate range for the employee's position of record after promotion and find the lowest step rate in that range that equals or exceeds the rate determined in step C. This is the employee's payable rate of basic pay upon promotion. (If the rate identified in step C exceeds the maximum of the rate range identified in this step, the employee's payable rate is that maximum rate, or, if the employee's existing rate is higher than that maximum rate, a retained rate under 5 CFR part 536 equal to that existing rate.)
Uttam Kumar  
#17 Posted : Tuesday, July 31, 2012 11:12:31 PM(UTC)
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Yep, that verbiage seems like Fed1969 and Knight are right.  Thanks folks!
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#18 Posted : Monday, August 6, 2012 3:04:14 AM(UTC)
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You add the 2 steps BEFORE you go to the new grade. If you are at step 9 or 10 you add the equivalent of 2 steps and then convert to the higher grade. Also perform all math on the base scale not the RUS or current locality. It usually always works out the same, but there are some exceptions and if you don't base it off the base scale, you may be dissapointed.
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#19 Posted : Tuesday, December 24, 2013 2:41:47 AM(UTC)
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if I am currently a GS-12, Step 10 equivalent in pay banding AcquDemo, and offered a GS-13 on general schedule, trying to determine if two-step promotion calculations are correct.

GS-12, Step 10 - 78,355+2009+2009=82,373

GS-13, Step 6 - 83,619

HR has offered GS13, Step 4 - 78,841, however based on this I believe I can negotiate upon final offer for the 2 step increase to GS13, Step 6.

Am I understanding this correctly? Thank you all in advance. This forum is a great source of information.
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#20 Posted : Tuesday, December 24, 2013 2:58:39 AM(UTC)
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cybersapper wrote:
if I am currently a GS-12, Step 10 equivalent in pay banding AcquDemo, and offered a GS-13 on general schedule, trying to determine if two-step promotion calculations are correct.

GS-12, Step 10 - 78,355+2009+2009=82,373

GS-13, Step 6 - 83,619

HR has offered GS13, Step 4 - 78,841, however based on this I believe I can negotiate upon final offer for the 2 step increase to GS13, Step 6.

Am I understanding this correctly? Thank you all in advance. This forum is a great source of information.
HR is low-balling you. That is only a $500 raise from a 12 to a 13, and that is way too low. Show them the calculations you list above and they should up their offer. Someone in HR doesn't know how to calculate or is trying to get you on the cheap.

Oh, and include Knight's reference above to OPM's rule on promotions(Item B): http://www.opm.gov/oca/pay/html/promotion.asp when you talk to HR.Pat in SD2013-12-24 11:07:28
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