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gz390  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, January 18, 2012 7:23:20 AM(UTC)
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I am thinking of going to grad school and getting this degree, how much you think it would help in getting a Federal law enforcement criminal intelligence analysis job? I mean it seems like the perfect degree for a job like "Intelligence Research Specialist" I saw posted the other day. right now the highest score I can get on those Notice of Results is like 88 or 89. I have a BA in criminal justice and 4 months experience in law enforcement agency, would this help a lot and make up for lack of experience?

gz3902012-01-18 15:39:12
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, January 18, 2012 9:56:05 AM(UTC)
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Well a Masters degree will give you the minimum qualification for a GS-9. 

I rather hire someone with years of experience in a law enforcement agency then someone with a Masters degree.

1 Master degree = 1 year of experience to qualify for GS-9

1 year of working in a LE agency will give you 1 year of experience to qualify for a GS-9 provided it's equivalent to a GS-7 type work.

So the best bang for your buck is to stay at work and improve your resume or take some additional duties or maybe apply for another job which will give you more experience. 

Then when you become a IRS you can apply for the gov to send you to school to get your Masters degree, FREE, you'll be paid to attend school.
gz390  
#3 Posted : Wednesday, January 18, 2012 10:19:31 AM(UTC)
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Well I would go to a law enforcement job, if only it didn't take an entire year of training just to become qualified for it, and those are the special agent type jobs.
I don't want to do the field work, I like research and analysis work and don't know where I can get experience with that except getting a masters. How can I get experience in that besides being a police officer?
thanks for the reply.

gz3902012-01-18 18:26:16
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Beagle1AD  
#4 Posted : Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:14:01 AM(UTC)
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gz390 wrote:
Well I would go to a law enforcement job, if only it didn't take an entire year of training just to become qualified for it, and those are the special agent type jobs. I don't want to do the field work, I like research and analysis work and don't know where I can get experience with that except getting a masters. How can I get experience in that besides being a police officer? thanks for the reply.
 
I was talking about your current LE experience for 4 months.  Continue with that or try to get more experience in that.  Network and get involved with any joint ops with federal agencies.  Then put that down as experience.  Get involved with Detectives and help them research their case.
 
Plus being a Special Agent does not take a whole year of training it's like 5-6 months.  A Special Agent won't want to be an analyst.
 
Analyst training is like around 2 months.
 
I had 3 years of legal experience working with criminal attorneys and 2 years of experience with a LE agency.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:26:09 AM(UTC)
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OP, don't waste time with those types of programs which are meant for generating revenue for schools & not helping you gain any marketable skill.  Wont help you a single bit and detrimental when you could've been out gaining real experience.  In your situation you really should apply to an LEO and gain experience there.  Really going down the wrong path any other way.

 

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#6 Posted : Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:46:28 AM(UTC)
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^^Well wish i could keep working there but it was for my unpaid internship experience which was required to graduate with my degree, so once the course was over I basically had to stop working there. I would keep doing it for free if I could just to gain more experience. It was the type of job where I sit in the office and gather information, research, write reports, computer work etc.

^ So a masters degree is a waste? well it is from a large well known public university and they are a top 10 CJ school according to the rankings, yes the program is online but nowhere on the diploma will say that so nobody would know.

Anyway reason i'm hesitant to work in the police officer/agent jobs is because of all the training and then field work you do, if I wanted to do that I would'nt have gone to college in the first place. I woulda gone straight to training academy. my skills are in writing, research, analyzing information, etc. I just don't think a police officer job would utilize those skills that much. Actually I saw a crime analyst position in my area the other day and I can't help but think if I had my masters I could have gotten it...
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:46:29 AM(UTC)
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gz390 wrote:
Well I would go to a law enforcement job, if only it didn't take an entire year of training just to become qualified for it, and those are the special agent type jobs. I don't want to do the field work, I like research and analysis work and don't know where I can get experience with that except getting a masters. How can I get experience in that besides being a police officer? thanks for the reply.
 
Join the armed forces, in one of the many Intel fields.  This is how about 80% of Intel people do it.

 

I never have met an Intel Analyst that had a degree in intelligence. 

 

All the IA in my FO have degrees in all kinds of stuff, true critical thinkers.

 
NONE have degrees in Intel.
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gz390  
#8 Posted : Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:56:56 AM(UTC)
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^The intelligence degree MSU offers is I believe a fancy name for the a more specialized degree in criminal justice, I looked at the coursework and it was only more specific, I just don't know if its really worth it and if I could really for sure end up getting the job I want with it. I want to do criminal intelligence analysis but can't imagine being a police officer for a few years would be better than a masters in that subject. About joining the military, wouldn't you still need to do boot camp, training, etc. as well?

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#9 Posted : Wednesday, January 18, 2012 12:31:36 PM(UTC)
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gz390 wrote:

^ So a masters degree is a waste? well it is from a large well known public university (Michigan State University) and they are a top 10 CJ school according to the rankings, yes the program is online but nowhere on the diploma will say that so nobody would know.
 
Yeah I only know of ONE person with a Masters degree and it wasn't even in intel.  Yes the school is VERY well known as well.

Anyway reason i'm hesitant to work in the police officer/agent jobs is because of all the training and then field work you do, if I wanted to do that I would'nt have gone to college in the first place.
 
Well FYI a degree is a requirement for Special Agent unless you already have law enforcement experience and VERY FEW Law Enforcement officers become analyst.  The only ones that become analyst are retired LEO or injuried LEO.
 
I woulda gone straight to training academy. my skills are in writing, research, analyzing information, etc. I just don't think a police officer job would utilize those skills that much. Actually I saw a crime analyst position in my area the other day and I can't help but think if I had my masters I could have gotten it...
 
Sure the Masters degree would have helped but more experience would have helped more.  So if you're currently unemployed or not employed in an LE agency then go ahead with the Masters degree.  You should also look at assistant positions in LE agencies and not just the specialist positions.
 
As far as the military goes yes you'll have to do basic training/boot camp then intel school.  But sounds like you don't want to go active duty so even if you go to the reserve then you'll have intel training but you'll still lose out against others with experience.
 
So your plan of action should be to also look at assistant positions in LE agency.  People in the gov move up all the time. 
 
Or if you do get a Masters degree it will also open more doors for you as well.
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, January 18, 2012 1:04:25 PM(UTC)
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Beagle1AD wrote:
Well a Masters degree will give you the minimum qualification for a GS-9. 

I went to High School and entered service as a GS 11. Of course I was doing a pretend job.
gz390  
#11 Posted : Wednesday, January 18, 2012 1:20:03 PM(UTC)
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in my area the only LE places that are hiring are the local police departments looking for police officers only, the alcohol enforcement agency and the motor vehicle theft bureau divison needing the special agents, all which are basically similar type of work and require certification and academy which takes at least a year and in addition to coursework you need the physical training which I feel is unneccessary especially if I want a job doing intelligence analysis. you are right they do require a 4 year degree which mine could be useful for, but I graduated top honors and all so I feel like that part would be wasted when it could be used to get into a grad program. I wish i could find assistant positions in LE agencies but they are like never hiring those positions its always the officer positions.
thanks for the replies.
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:33:26 PM(UTC)
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I offer this:
It is very rare that you get something you want without being flexible and willing to adapt. Starting at the lower levels, or being willing to go to point C in order to eventually get to B are a requirement in today's job market. Plus, physical training is good for you -don't be afraid of it :)
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#13 Posted : Thursday, January 19, 2012 4:15:09 AM(UTC)
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I was a federal law enforcement intelligence analyst.  I belonged to International Association of Law Enforcement Intelligence Analysts.  In the past, I have met and talked to many of the members.  They come from all walks of life, and have jobs through out the local, state, federal sector as well as other countries.

Visit their website at www.ialeia.org

Even though you are not a member, you can browse the public data, which include job openings.

If you are really serious about a job in intelligence, contact someone from the association.

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#14 Posted : Thursday, January 19, 2012 5:44:58 AM(UTC)
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Scout0315 wrote:
 
Join the armed forces, in one of the many Intel fields.  This is how about 80% of Intel people do it.

 

I never have met an Intel Analyst that had a degree in intelligence. 

 

All the IA in my FO have degrees in all kinds of stuff, true critical thinkers.

 
NONE have degrees in Intel.

Just so the above post doesn't mislead everyone, I'm an Intelligence Analyst with a defense contractor and hold an MS in Intelligence Analysis with no military experience. Last time I checked, 18 out of the 23 in my graduating class were also employed in the field -- primarily within the realm of national security, but also in law enforcement and competitive settings.

As you mentioned, the analysts in your FO have diverse degrees -- so do we; our undergraduate degrees varied widely from History to Mathematics to Chemistry.

Additionally, not a single one of us had prior military experience. I'm not saying that the experience from serving is anything less than valuable, but it is nowhere near the only path to an intel position.

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#15 Posted : Thursday, January 19, 2012 9:38:04 AM(UTC)
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Beagle1AD wrote:
Well a Masters degree will give you the minimum qualification for a GS-9. 

I went to High School and entered service as a GS 11. Of course I was doing a pretend job.
 
The Masters degree would give you minimum qualification if you were qualifying through education.  So you must have had experience in that "pretend" job to use to qualify for GS-11.
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#16 Posted : Thursday, March 29, 2012 4:58:20 AM(UTC)
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Well I plan to begin this program, I want to get a job in Immigrations and Customs Enforcement as an Intelligence Officer, so I believe this degree should help. A bachelor's is the new high school diploma so that's why I'm considering this degree more seriously and since i can't even get an interview with a fed agency with my bachelor's not even the TSA. If not many people have masters intelligence degrees and I suspect they don't they would probably consider my application a bit more since it definitely looks like a degree program that was designed specifically for that type of job. Also I have heard Michigan State Criminal Justice school is well respected and known in the field so the degree would carry a lot of weight.






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#17 Posted : Saturday, March 31, 2012 7:33:37 AM(UTC)
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gz390 wrote:

Well I plan to begin this program, I want to get a job in Immigrations and Customs Enforcement as an Intelligence Officer, so I believe this degree should help. A bachelor's is the new high school diploma so that's why I'm considering this degree more seriously and since i can't even get an interview with a fed agency with my bachelor's not even the TSA. If not many people have masters intelligence degrees and I suspect they don't they would probably consider my application a bit more since it definitely looks like a degree program that was designed specifically for that type of job. Also I have heard Michigan State Criminal Justice school is well respected and known in the field so the degree would carry a lot of weight.





I think the Intel Officer position start at GS-13/14 so you won't be able to qualify under any amount of education.

The last few months I have seen lots of intel position so did you apply for those?  Sometimes you gotta think outside the box and get in and work your way up.

I see that you applied for TSA and didn't get an interview well the TSA is unique in that they pay TSO so little and yet their hiring process takes forever.  Did you look at other locations within the US?
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#18 Posted : Saturday, March 31, 2012 1:59:12 PM(UTC)
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To me, military intelligence and LEO intelligence tend to be radically different careers and categorizing them all as the same job can be misleading.  Military intelligence at the strategic level is providing insight into the future to policymakers and at the tactical level is about making near real time life or death decisions.  LEOs, with the exception of some FBI CT missions, tend to be focused on developing a case that can be proved beyond reasonable doubt with evidence that's admissible in court.

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gz390  
#19 Posted : Thursday, April 05, 2012 10:58:16 AM(UTC)
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I am looking at intelligence analyst or specialist positions in the FBI, DEA, ICE, etc so I think this would be a suitable degree as they are law enforcement agencies. They said 2 years of masters education meets the requirement at GS-9 and I would probably have the best degreee for that position I could probably get in on my education.

I applied to a TSA part time position in my home state as well as other random places and then after I applied they changed to only take female candidates...seems like it is like that everywhere.

This degree is flexible because it is all online so I am going to use my student status to apply for fedral internships for students only and see how that goesgz3902012-04-05 20:31:50
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#20 Posted : Monday, May 07, 2012 3:40:30 AM(UTC)
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Just my 2 cents here so please take it for what it is. A lot of people here have offered great advice and support and I echo their opinions. I think part of it means that you should be flexible in terms of your job search and I would even suggest opening it up to other law enforcement/analytical related fields. For example, maybe even apply for intelligence assistant positions, although they maybe more administrative support in nature that might be a good way to get in. Or look at the BOP and start local law enforcement/corrections type work before making the jump to the feds. I started off working as a state probation officer and then moved to the DoD doing investigative/some analytical work.  Also, while the degree is good, my opinion is that don't count on the name recognition of your college alone to open up the "gates of heaven" in terms of getting the job. Many factors will come into play like work experience, vets points, etc. Some folks view having the degree as simply another box to check off on the application. Anyway, I wish you good luck in your search.
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