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ahmad_nomaan  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2012 4:59:10 AM(UTC)
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The vacancy announcement for Criminal Investigator (Special Agent) position of Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) is open today (02/28/2012) until 11:59 pm (EST).  However, it says "This announcement will close at 11:59 pm EST on the day that 715 applicants have applied", so I guess you need to jump in and apply.  I was able to apply without getting kicked out of the system saying that it has reached the maximum applicants level---fortunate me!!!
 
The total number of vacancies are 24 throughout the nation. 
 
Did anyone else apply for the position?  Please share your input, and the happenings in near and far future in relation to this vacancy announcement.
 
 
 
ForzaMilan  
#2 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2012 5:48:01 AM(UTC)
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I put it for it last night at 12.05. 24 out of 715 isn't too bad, but we will see how it goes. The test is going to kick my butt probably

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#3 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:36:25 AM(UTC)
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24 spots is crazy. Of those 24 how many do you think are already gone? In the federal gov, it's who you know.
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:53:53 AM(UTC)
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I submitted my app last night at 12:40am as well. 

ForzaMilan  
#5 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2012 11:07:26 AM(UTC)
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cptbiggs, you think they're gone already?

Maybe they wanna bring in a new fresh untainted batch of applicants to mix the current agents, and please congress and the supervisors.

At least we won't have to wait 4 years for an answer this time?


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#6 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:02:37 PM(UTC)
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Not to cast a cloud on your hopes, I know of 3 current 1811 (grades 12/13) with 3 plus years of experience and master degrees putting in for this announcement.
For some ATF is the dream job.
This announcement is wide open, first open test in a long time. The TEA exam was pass fail, part of the FCIP experiment.
This is open test, but 24 veterans with 30% disability (absolute preference) and it’s all over but the crying.  10 extra points on the test is a hard score to beat.  The vets will beat out the 1811.
NOW NO VET BASHING it’s the law.  This is an open rule of three, traditional announcement.
"From now until the end of the world, we and it shall be remembered. We few, we Band of Brothers. For he who sheds his blood with me shall be my brother." - William Shakespeare ("King Henry V")
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2012 1:17:10 PM(UTC)
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Interesting for those "some" seeing the ATF as a "dream job".  What agency are they with that is so terrible?

As far as vet beating out the 1811, first they have to pass the test and then assuming the 1811 aren't vets then they could have a chance.  But then that's if they only go off of the test scores which I doubt if they look at the resume then I think the 1811 gets it hands down.  Very few vets have experience in NCIS/CID/OSI

I'll have to agree with cptbiggs on his message.


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#8 Posted : Thursday, March 01, 2012 11:56:29 PM(UTC)
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Any guidance of my chances to making it to the Structured Interview?

 
I'm a 10 point 30% or more disabled veteran. With a BBA in Management and BS in Political Science, and Superior Academic Achievement. I currently work for the DOD as a GS-7 (recently hired) at a (7,9,11,12).  Also I’m currently in the running for an IEA (Immigration Enforcement Agent). I applied for the June DHS HSI 1811 announcement, and missed the cut by about 3 points (my NOR was 90). This announcement (ATF) seems to be structured differently. From the language in the announcement it seems that almost everyone will be invited to take the test, if they meet gold qualifications. The posting did not say (DHS 1811 posting did specifically indicate that they would be added)  if 10 points will be added to the test score. Does anyone know if it’s automatically added?   i.e. an OPM designated mandatory requirement for vets testing for 1811 positions across all agencies! I found very little/no guidance from OPM website regarding this question. Also what is the test like? Would someone who scored well on an LSAT score well on this test? Is there Math? Does anyone think that the 5/7/9 positions are there to discourage lateral 1811’s from coming over, are they looking for FRESH recruits? This is the first 1811 posting I have seen that only has 5/7/9, and not 7/9/11, or just 9/11.....

Last question the announcement states that candidate will be “Required to pass a rigorous 15 week training program”. I thought the ATF 1811’s at FLECT training was 27 weeks, dose this represent a shift in training policy?

 
I know this is a loaded post.
 
Thanks in advance to any/all who provide insight.

 

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#9 Posted : Friday, March 02, 2012 12:09:24 AM(UTC)
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Usually if you meet specific requirements you will be able to take the exam. It's a little easier than the TEA exam, but not to bad. They will hire ENTRY level agents at the GS 5/7/9 only, except if they are taking in lateral 1811s. In this announcement they only was entry level. 1811 training isn't 27 weeks. It depends on the agency. The CITP (criminal investigator training program) is around 14 weeks long. Specific agency training is added on.
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#10 Posted : Friday, March 02, 2012 12:11:36 AM(UTC)
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I already work as a fed Leo getting LEAP... 24 spots are gone bro..I know they would be if they were in my agency.
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#11 Posted : Friday, March 02, 2012 12:17:00 AM(UTC)
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Also, it's all about the funding. If you already have the CITP course, the ATF doesn't have to pay for your training. I know plenty of 1811s I work with and around that are vets and put in for this "dream job". The ATF has the lowest agent attrition rates throughout the fed Leo world.
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#12 Posted : Friday, March 02, 2012 12:19:23 AM(UTC)
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Gone to who? Internal ATF personal? Other lateral 1811's....
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#13 Posted : Friday, March 02, 2012 12:23:49 AM(UTC)
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Why would someone come over from another agency, and go from a 12/13 only to come in at a 9 and be on probation for 3 years????? Does not add up logically!!!
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#14 Posted : Friday, March 02, 2012 12:43:23 AM(UTC)
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I know one GS 11 and three GS 9 and 1811s that also applied. Also the ATF employes numerous 1801s such as investigators who also applied. Each location except for 2 are only hiring for one vacancy. I can only imagine that FO SAC already has someone in mind for that particular opening.
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#15 Posted : Friday, March 02, 2012 1:41:33 AM(UTC)
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All frustrating postings, I will have to travel over 800 miles just to take the Written Test if I qualify.  And now all these rumors of positions already are being filled out!  Come on people!!!  Did you see how poor the salary is! Yet if we want to do this job with all the potential dangers on the line of duty, ATF should be happy about it…!!!  

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#16 Posted : Friday, March 02, 2012 2:07:00 AM(UTC)
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Poor salaries? GS 5/7/9 with locality, and LEAP isnt bad at all bro. Plus journeyman is at GS 13. So within 5 years you will salary approximately will be around 105k to 115k with step increases ever two years. The FBI is the only fed Leo agency that entry pay is a GS 10. All others are GS 5/7/9. Plus the ATF pays LEAP right off the bat, I had to wait for the end of training to get my LEAP. The point is that 24 positions is very low. If it was a mass hiring such as the FBI or USSS, chances would be of course better. If you get an exam slot go for it, it won't hurt, but you have to realize that this is the government.
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#17 Posted : Friday, March 02, 2012 8:11:57 AM(UTC)
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cpt biggs wrote:
Poor salaries? GS 5/7/9 with locality, and LEAP isnt bad at all bro. Plus journeyman is at GS 13. So within 5 years you will salary approximately will be around 105k to 115k with step increases ever two years. The FBI is the only fed Leo agency that entry pay is a GS 10. All others are GS 5/7/9. Plus the ATF pays LEAP right off the bat, I had to wait for the end of training to get my LEAP. The point is that 24 positions is very low. If it was a mass hiring such as the FBI or USSS, chances would be of course better. If you get an exam slot go for it, it won't hurt, but you have to realize that this is the government.


I have been working for the government for a few months now, left my previous private job with a huge pay cut to work for the government, I know how it goes....you are right, would have been better if it was a mass hiring.  Let us hope for good, and try our best!
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#18 Posted : Sunday, March 04, 2012 12:53:39 PM(UTC)
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Apparently USA jobs got 17,000 apps for this position in the 24 hour period immediately following the announcement. Pretty soon your gonna need a PHD to work at McDonalds......

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#19 Posted : Sunday, March 04, 2012 7:46:53 PM(UTC)
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Can I ask, where you got that information???
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#20 Posted : Monday, March 05, 2012 2:58:54 AM(UTC)
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I will have to agree with the above statements regarding the 24 SA positions being gone.  In fact, I would bet that the test might not even matter.  If they want you, you are golden.  Remember, there are lots of things that goes on when the doors are closed that we will never find out about.  I strongly believe that the govt. has to put up the test and cover their a$$, hence the announcement and procedure.  It sure ain’t about saving money.  

And yes... I am current 1811 who applied for this position.  I am taking my chances and crossing my fingers/toes.
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