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icdaily  
#1 Posted : Friday, March 09, 2012 12:32:42 PM(UTC)
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question:

If I get removed(fired) from my Federal position of 32 years; should I get removed or resign or retire?
What would be the best action for my EEO Case with a Laywer?
Do I receive unemployement benefits?
 Can someone give me answers and any other information will help.
Hostile Environment by a new / 14 mont 1st Line Supervisor; corruption, destroys, manipulates, belittles and does not allow me to perform my duties.
 
thank you!
 
 
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#2 Posted : Friday, March 09, 2012 9:28:12 PM(UTC)
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I would never resign. If you are done working and want to retire you can but then your EEO case might be weak (in my opinion).
 
So if you are going to fight this then you need to get fired.
 
Talk to your union (if you are a union person). And gather proof for the EEO. Getting fired happens, and not every firing is an EEO case. They could not just like you or your work.
 
These are my opinions, I am not a pro at EEO or being fired. If Frank comes along, he will give you the straight scoop.
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#3 Posted : Saturday, March 10, 2012 1:10:28 AM(UTC)
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Having them fire you
would give you a much stronger case, if you have a case at all, than resigning or retiring.


If you do have a case, file a complaint now, don't wait to be fired.



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#4 Posted : Saturday, March 10, 2012 2:39:02 AM(UTC)
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What is the basis for EEO?  Hostile Environment, in and of itself, is not enough.  Being a bad boss  is not illegal. What protected category are you claiming?

icdaily  
#5 Posted : Saturday, March 10, 2012 4:10:10 AM(UTC)
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Sick

EEO = Race , Sex, Reprisal = suspended for 14 days.


she targets females, there are about 3 women who have been fired. I will be 4.
 
 I have a witness in which she did the same thing in that dept.
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#6 Posted : Saturday, March 10, 2012 4:11:32 AM(UTC)
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icdaily  
#7 Posted : Saturday, March 10, 2012 4:33:33 AM(UTC)
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she uses everything and anything to the degree what she wants to tell them.
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grieveit  
#8 Posted : Saturday, March 10, 2012 9:33:56 AM(UTC)
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and?? cleaning out  poor performers isn't discrimination. She may have been moved to your agency because she knows how to fix the problem
icdaily  
#9 Posted : Monday, March 12, 2012 4:01:01 AM(UTC)
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Nope Mr Grieveit:
 
this supervisor is the problem... I have evidence from another department - she did the same behavior she is pulling on me.
and evidence and witnesses.
in total 2 departments.
females only
certain race only
ohh after 32 years... nobody else cleaned house except HER....hummmm.

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#10 Posted : Monday, March 12, 2012 8:06:57 AM(UTC)
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frankgonzalez wrote:
What is the basis for EEO?  Hostile Environment, in and of itself, is not enough.  Being a bad boss  is not illegal. What protected category are you claiming?

why do you care? you're not here to help her.
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#11 Posted : Sunday, March 25, 2012 7:14:58 AM(UTC)
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icdaily wrote:

ohh after 32 years... nobody else cleaned house except HER....hummmm.

 
Somebody has to, eventually. I mean, clean bad performers out.
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#12 Posted : Sunday, March 25, 2012 8:59:21 PM(UTC)
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icdaily wrote:
Nope Mr Grieveit:
 
this supervisor is the problem... I have evidence from another department - she did the same behavior she is pulling on me.
and evidence and witnesses.
in total 2 departments.
females only
certain race only
ohh after 32 years... nobody else cleaned house except HER....hummmm.

 
I would ignore anything from that person... they are just a disgruntled person that just posts negative responses and never has anything constructive to add to any conversation.  Just search their username.  You'll see what I mean.  And they hold several usernames on here... Vettor/NewGrad are a few others...  just ignore them.  they will go away eventually.
 
As for your situation, you need to contact an EEO rep and get the process started if you feel you have a case.  Anything after that will be "retaliation" and can be added to your case -- which makes it stronger.  What kind of documentation does your supervisor have on you concerning work performance?  Is there a history?  Unlike what others may believe, a supervisor can not make a one-time decision to fire someone.  There are laws they would be violating in addition to the EEO laws.  IF there was counseling, was there instructions on "how to" improve? Goals or achivement reports?  Things like that.  Management has to show cause, not just because they dislike you.
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grieveit  
#13 Posted : Monday, March 26, 2012 8:20:41 AM(UTC)
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don't listen to the above poster they are the typical union shill
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#14 Posted : Monday, March 26, 2012 8:31:33 AM(UTC)
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grieveit wrote:
don't listen to the above poster they are the typical union shill
 
Max/Grieveit/Lazycs, your agenda is coming through loud and clear; you hate ALL civil service employees, especially when they have problems on the job. It could never enter into your so-called mind, that some problems and issues are legitimate. But your hate, envy and vitriol prevent any humanity from creeping in. That is pathetic for any veteran. And this is not bullying. If you think it is, then you are a big baby who didn't get proper training from your CO.
 
Yeah, we know you hate unions, they're not perfect. Who cares? Be glad you never had to work any job, private or Federal, before union protection against abusive management came about. 
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#15 Posted : Monday, March 26, 2012 12:12:54 PM(UTC)
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wizard wrote:

frankgonzalez wrote:
What is the basis for EEO?  Hostile Environment, in and of itself, is not enough.  Being a bad boss  is not illegal. What protected category are you claiming?

why do you care? you're not here to help her.

I believe Frank is an EEO counseler and can offer good advise as how to proceed. Big smiledaddygo12012-03-26 20:20:27
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#16 Posted : Monday, March 26, 2012 11:42:19 PM(UTC)
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If you are a union member and have someone you can trust in your area in the union, you should start with that.   There are very few lawyers who specialize in federal government employees matters, and you may end up paying hundreds of thousands to an incompetent attorney if you're white (if you're a person of color,  EEO is an option since your fees will be paid0.  Try the union first, this is the best option as long as management doesn't block your grievance, as they do at IRS.  On the positive side, it sounds like you won't be cheated out of your pension since you have 32 years in (at IRS, they are harassing and firing people just prior to being eligible for their pensions, so they are stealing the pension as well).  

Don't listen to the nasty comments on this website - some of these people are only there to hurt you, as if you're not already hurting enough.  I never realized there are so many cruel people in this world, but my son is reading all the Holocaust books at school (Night, etc), and there are so many parallels to what I experienced at IRS, especially the silence and fear, and the continual nightmares.  How the victims lived on with these nightmares is hard to imagine, and how the perpetrators of these crimes continued on in their jobs and lives as if nothing phased them - as one of my coworkers at IRS said about the current managers at IRS,  "they go on their merry way" after leaving your life in pieces, and breaking every rule and law, even bringing in their own unemployed and unqualified family members to replace their victims.  

Just try to keep your health and your faith - don't let them take that.   Despite the horrific things I saw at IRS,  there are still good people in the world (just not at IRS).  After 32 years you deserve to enjoy your retirement, so don't let them ruin that by making you sick.  Good Luck!




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#17 Posted : Thursday, March 29, 2012 6:21:40 AM(UTC)
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Totally agree after having to work with the IRS thru numerous tax issues there is no question that the community is filled with folks who can't even read. You send them additional information only for them to send the same letter asking for the same data. they do this because they are the IRS and feel as though they don't answer to the taxpayer.
In all of my audits I have never lost...why ?? Because I know the caliber of the folks I'm up against and I won't tolerate incompetence
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#18 Posted : Thursday, March 29, 2012 6:32:05 AM(UTC)
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grieveit wrote:
Totally agree after having to work with the IRS thru numerous tax issues there is no question that the community is filled with folks who can't even read. You send them additional information only for them to send the same letter asking for the same data. they do this because they are the IRS and feel as though they don't answer to the taxpayer.
In all of my audits I have never lost...why ?? Because I know the caliber of the folks I'm up against and I won't tolerate incompetence
 
Actually max, I'd say it's likely they just get tired of your blithering idiocy and want to hurry up and get you out of their office so they can get on with doing the work the taxpayer is paying them to do.  If you act as stupid in the IRS's office like you do here, I'm pretty sure that's why you have always "won" your case.  Speaking of incompetence, you are a shining example of that...you can't even construct a sentence correctly. 
 
No wonder you were never able to obtain employment as a Civil Servant.  We do have standards...
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#19 Posted : Thursday, March 29, 2012 6:39:56 AM(UTC)
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LOL I'm guessing Max/Grieveit has never actually been audited, therefore his comments about the IRS are really about his anti-civil service agenda. Wanna bet, Max? It's lonely at the bottom of the pile of Fed. wannabe's.

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#20 Posted : Friday, March 30, 2012 9:32:59 AM(UTC)
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Yea marty I'm TDY this week and using my orders to access the commissary...can you believe they are trying to deny my access>... i just show them your posts from here and the doors flew open and they escorted me thru the commissary and gave me my purchases for free
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