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kodiakzak  
#1 Posted : Thursday, March 22, 2012 3:58:57 AM(UTC)
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Has anyone applied to a Gov’t agency and used the your Veterans Recruitment Appointment (VRA) status to find out that it doesn’t guarantee you a position even though the VA states it does?

dhacker56  
#2 Posted : Thursday, March 22, 2012 4:44:12 AM(UTC)
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The VRA is a special authority by which agencies may, if they wish, appoint an eligible veteran without competition.

My emphasis added.


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#3 Posted : Sunday, March 25, 2012 2:48:39 AM(UTC)
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Do you have a reference that says VRA guarantees you a position?
CJCourt  
#4 Posted : Friday, April 13, 2012 12:17:45 AM(UTC)
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VRA is just like the disabled veterans preference - the hiring authority may take it into account...if they want to.  In short, its a sham designed to give false hope to vets and disabled vets.

frankgonzalez  
#5 Posted : Friday, April 13, 2012 2:37:49 AM(UTC)
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CJCourt wrote:
VRA is just like the disabled veterans preference - the hiring authority may take it into account...if they want to.  In short, its a sham designed to give false hope to vets and disabled vets.




No it doesn't do  that.  It (and the VEOA) gives vets the ability to apply for more jobs than ONLY the ones open to everyone.  They get to apply to positions that may only be open to those already in the system as a federal employee.  At that point, they need to show WHY they are the best choice.  If they do that, VRA give a hiring manager another tool they can use to bring them on board.
CJCourt  
#6 Posted : Friday, April 13, 2012 2:56:00 AM(UTC)
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frankgonzalez wrote:
CJCourt wrote:
VRA is just like the disabled veterans preference - the hiring authority may take it into account...if they want to.  In short, its a sham designed to give false hope to vets and disabled vets.



No it doesn't do  that.  It (and the VEOA) gives vets the ability to apply for more jobs than ONLY the ones open to everyone.  They get to apply to positions that may only be open to those already in the system as a federal employee.  At that point, they need to show WHY they are the best choice.  If they do that, VRA give a hiring manager another tool they can use to bring them on board.


But the result is the same, since most hiring managers already know who they want to hire.  The medical field seems to be a notable exception.

The longer I deal with this system, the less faith I have in its fairness.  The advice from insiders in several agencies is often the same; make sure you have someone on the inside pulling for you. 

30% disabled vet.
Masters degree from a top university.
Excellent resume tailored each time to be declared eligible and referred to the hiring official for dozens of jobs.
Not one federal interview in six months.

I realize its a very competitive process, just asking for some level of fairness and transparency.


icanzz  
#7 Posted : Saturday, April 14, 2012 11:18:30 PM(UTC)
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Anyone know the rules for a current permanent federal employee applying for a position under VRA? Can you be hired/promoted/appointed even if you do not meet TIG requirement for higher grade?
Does it affect your status as a "permanent" employee since VRA is designed to convert to career-career conditional after 2 yrs of good performance?


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