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Dick25  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, April 10, 2012 4:06:06 AM(UTC)
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My wife is 34 weeks pregnant so the baby is comming soon. I asked my stewert what i needed to do. She told me to fill out fmla forms and that i would get 2 weeks of sick leave and then whatever annual i wanted after that. Well I called our local union and they told me that if i filled out fmla forms, and put on the forms "bonding with the child", that i could take 9 weeks off and use whatever leave of my choice. Which of course would be sick leave. Can anyone please clear this up for me? Thanks
dhacker56  
#2 Posted : Tuesday, April 10, 2012 4:28:35 AM(UTC)
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Dependent care SL is 2 weeks per year.  FMLA is 12 weeks.

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#3 Posted : Tuesday, April 10, 2012 4:31:34 AM(UTC)
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So that means i can take 2 wks of sl and then up to 10 more weeks of annual? Just want to be positive. Thanks
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:10:14 AM(UTC)
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No that means you can take up to 12 Weeks unpaid FMLA leave per year plus any other time you have available!
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:58:33 AM(UTC)
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but only the FMLA leave is protected from disicipline. FMLA is 12 weeks per year. Of that 12 weeks, 2 weeks (80 hrs) of your sick leave may be used  to care for a family member. After the intitial 2 weeks, if you continue to care for a family member, it then must be FMLA-AL or FMLA-LWOP.
I am unfamiliar with any special provisions for bonding with new arrivals.
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, April 10, 2012 6:24:31 AM(UTC)
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I don't even know what disicipline is?
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, April 10, 2012 6:36:06 AM(UTC)
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GSBS-  WRONG!  FMLA allows 12 WEEKS TOTAL per calendar year.  How the time is or is not paid for is NOT a factor.  12 WEEKS total time!!


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#8 Posted : Tuesday, April 10, 2012 6:37:04 AM(UTC)
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NE Carrier  one is allowed to take the FMLA to care for a newborn.

TEinsanity  
#9 Posted : Tuesday, April 10, 2012 6:38:57 AM(UTC)
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Hopefully you're not a TE.

dhacker56  
#10 Posted : Tuesday, April 10, 2012 6:44:31 AM(UTC)
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You would be protected also ... FEDERAL LAW.

GSBS  
#11 Posted : Tuesday, April 10, 2012 6:59:39 AM(UTC)
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dhacker56 wrote:
GSBS-  WRONG!  FMLA allows 12 WEEKS TOTAL per calendar year.  How the time is or is not paid for is NOT a factor.  12 WEEKS total time!!
So you are saying in addition it is not possible to take any earned paid sick leave, or earned annual leave, or even LWOP if necessary? Of course as I mentioned I don't know what disicipline means, and either did my spell checker.
dhacker56  
#12 Posted : Tuesday, April 10, 2012 7:01:55 AM(UTC)
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GSBS-  Management is NOT obligated to give you any more time than the FMLA law states.
If he takes 10 Weeks AL as FMLA how could he then have any left.


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#13 Posted : Tuesday, April 10, 2012 7:53:54 AM(UTC)
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dhacker56 wrote:
GSBS-  Management is NOT obligated to give you any more time than the FMLA law states.
If he takes 10 Weeks AL as FMLA how could he then have any left.
How can one take AL as FMLA? AL is what I knew as Annual Leave, aka Vacation Pay.
FMLA is up to 12 weeks of unpaid leave, isn't it? Sure you can combine if you have the time!LOL
dhacker56  
#14 Posted : Tuesday, April 10, 2012 8:14:01 AM(UTC)
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FMLA can be paid or unpaid.  One can use up to 2 weeks SL for a family member  or ALL SL for yourself.  If you do not have enough SL  you can use AL.  If you have neither you can take LWOP.

NECArrier  
#15 Posted : Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:05:52 AM(UTC)
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right, but is there a special provision for bonding with a newborn?
dhacker56  
#16 Posted : Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:12:54 AM(UTC)
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Do you not think he would be bonding while he changes diapers?

ObiWan  
#17 Posted : Wednesday, April 11, 2012 1:39:18 AM(UTC)
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Nobody is saying you can't use any sick leave. The debate is on how much sick leave you're entitled to use for bonding with your newborn. 

Seems to me that bonding with a newborn should fall under the same FMLA guidelines as maternity leave, meaning that you should be able to use 12 weeks of sick leave for this if you have it. If maternity leave is not considered dependent care use of sick leave, then neither should a father's bonding with the child be considered dependent care.

FMLA also covers adoption of a baby, and you might look under the adoption provisions to see how much sick leave you can use for that. I don't see why that would be any different than bonding time for a father.
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#18 Posted : Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:09:02 AM(UTC)
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BTW: FMLA is 12 weeks in a rolling 12  month period.  Calendar years have nothing to do with it
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#19 Posted : Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:22:36 AM(UTC)
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ex-military wrote:
BTW: FMLA is 12 weeks in a rolling 12  month period.  Calendar years have nothing to do with it
Thank you for adding that! So much misinformation is thrown out here. Hacker56 just makes up things it seems?
NECArrier  
#20 Posted : Wednesday, April 11, 2012 3:00:27 AM(UTC)
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FMLA is unpaid leave. The USPS allows its employees to substitute paid leave (either AL or SL) for unpaid time if they choose.
The only hitch is that FMLA SL taken to care for a family member can only total 80 hours of SL; after that one must use AL or LWOP.
There is no limit (other than the 12 weeks) on SL taken for oneself.
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