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The Department of Defense (DoD) is charged with coordinating and supervising all agencies and functions of the government relating directly to national security and the United States armed forces. The mission of the Department of Defense is to provide the military forces needed to deter war and to protect the security of our country.

The Department of Defense is America's oldest and largest government agency -tracing its roots back to pre-Revolutionary times. Today, the Department is not only in charge of the military, but it also employs a civilian force of thousands. With over 1.4 million men and women on active duty, and 718,000 civilian personnel, DoD is the nation's largest employer. Another 1.1 million serve in the National Guard and Reserve forces. More than 2 million military retirees and their family members receive benefits.

Perhaps you are working for the DoD or interested in working for the DoD. Here is a forum to share your experience with the DoD.
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slobooger  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:07:30 AM(UTC)
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I just wanna give all you 2210s out there a heads up.
If you are offered a job at Tobyhanna Army Depot, RUN THE OTHER WAY.
 
I was there for six months, and it was a living hell. It has nothing to do with the co-workers, but the 5 layers of management, who are ignorant of IT systems, and have absolutely no idea how to manage. I have a very strong background in IT systems to include HP EVA's (SAN systems), HP-UX, Microsoft administration, Networking, Security, etc.
 
I got there, began to take ownership of the UNIX systems as they had no admins there to take care of them. All I got was a brick wall from management, when I tried to explain your common security configuration outlined in the STIGs and what we needed to do to fix the vulnerabilities. It took me 5 months to decide it wasnt worth the hassle of fighting them every step of the way. The last week I was there, all of a sudden they backed off and started letting me do my job.
 
This was how it was run. And then they would yell at you for not doing your job, and claim you arent doing anything, blah blah. VERY inprofessional management. Talk to anybody there, and it is the same. Normally I wouldnt read a post like this and believe a word of it, but unfortunately.....
 
Tobyhanna Army Depot is still stuck in the coalmines, and they run it as such.
 
Happy to be back in the real world, and out of the mine. I wouldnt wi***** on my worst enemy.
So please, if you are offered a job working for Ray Sporko or Ken Barret, or any of the other goon managers there, ask to speak with any two of your future co-workers.... they will set you straight... and if you are smart, you will heed their warnings and hold out for the next job offer.
 
This was by FAR the worst job I have ever had, and that even includes Janitorial, Best Buy, and working in an oyster farm.
 
Good luck to all!
 
TRW  
#2 Posted : Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:53:23 PM(UTC)
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Doesn't surprise me.
 
Five layers of management in a DoD organization seems to be about right.  In a DoD "pyramid structure" this actually represents only the bottom of the pryamid too.  Too many chiefs and not enough Indians seems to be business as usual here in DoD.
 
Hate to generalize or paint with a broad brush, but I've also heard lots of negatives about TAD throughout my years in DoD, up to and including a co-worker of mine who transferred there recently and after two weeks there was begging to come back here!
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#3 Posted : Thursday, April 12, 2012 11:37:37 AM(UTC)
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My co-worker seems to have enjoyed working at Tobyhanna, but he was in QA there, nothing to do with IT.  He did eventually leave there, though, and come to DCMA.  I've never heard him say anything negative about his time there.  
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DAC1975  
#4 Posted : Friday, April 13, 2012 6:20:29 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for the heads up on this from a Co-worker of mine. This place was a possible landing spot of his and I share this post knowing he was interested in future oppertunities.. DAC19752012-04-19 11:05:16
slobooger  
#5 Posted : Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:36:59 PM(UTC)
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I am much happier working for the VA. My supervisor is the complete opposite of my supervisors (several of them) at Tobyhanna. He knows what he is doing, and he trusts and expects us to know what we are doing also.
 
My current supervisor is great. I dont see myself working for the DoD again... but then again, Tobyhanna is in a world of its own, and they dont have to follow any regulations there. Perhaps thats why they had drugs being imported through there. Way to go management!!! The problem is all the way up the chain there, but my experience was mostly with just my multiple levels of incompitent louts.
 
Dont hire a UNIX admin to work on systems in dis-repair and then try to keep him from doing his job every step of the way. I wish I could say they were fighting me on purpose, but unfortunately, they think they are doing a great job. No trust, nothing by micromanaging and constant accusations of just not wanting to do the work.
 
Not only this, but the constant comments about "Unix isnt as important, cause we are trying to get rid of it all and go to only windows." was indicative of their pipe dream. Why hire a UNIX admin?
Why waste MY time, just to convert me to Windows. If you dont understand a system, getting rid of it isnt the fix. DO YOUR HOMEWORK AND STOP THE INCOMPITENCE!
 
I started training one of their newer admins in UNIX. They refused to provide him any training because "we are getting rid of those servers over the next several years". My answer was "you still have to have someone to administer these servers and make sure they are secure."
 
They got angry and told me its none of my business how they manage their people and to stay out of it. That Admin still has yet to see one day of training. Its really quite sad, because the person I was training was very bright, and motivated. He WANTED to learn the system, something that is hard to find in government employees, for most, Unix is just too hard, or too much work.
 
Tobyhanna motto "Dont take the steps to make the system better, so you can claim it isnt working right and replace it with something you think you know better." Which unfortunately for the managers there, its not quite true..... They can check their email and surf the internet at least.
 
I have never heard someon say a server "Is just software, Anybody can do it." when they have absolutely NO IDEA what they are talking about.
 
People are there because its the only large employer in the area. The area is VERY impoverished, low income, high level of welfare. Nobody cares after the coalmines left. So people working there are used to being treated badly and taking that treatment, because there is nowhere else to work. Management makes sure they remind you of it every day.
 
I appologize for the rant. But I needed to get it off my chest!
 
"Remember working government jobs in the 50s??? Good ol Boy/girtl clubs, unfair practices, etc? That is tobyhanna."
gazoinplat  
#6 Posted : Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:07:51 AM(UTC)
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I am familiar with the area and am sure it hasn't changed much since I left several years ago.  Am I correct that you were not born/raised there, let alone second generation there?

The thing you have to realize about that area is that its very "inbred" in the sense of people never leave.  As such, it can be closed minded and unwelcoming of newcomers.  You will always be an outsider, but your children wont be.  Now this can have some good outcomes such as many ethnic traditions still  being alive, but overall it has a negative impact on the area.  It is slowly starting to change as there is a rapid influx into the area but this causes clashes.
slobooger  
#7 Posted : Friday, April 20, 2012 1:43:45 AM(UTC)
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That is true, the are is its own little bubble, and they openly HATE the outsiders moving in.

If your daddy wasnt a coal miner, you have no right to say anything, etc.

Met a lot of really good people there too, just a lot of that inbred mentality you speak of.

 

Same mentality for the management there.

tommyboa  
#8 Posted : Monday, April 30, 2012 7:41:18 AM(UTC)
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Ditto for Rock Island Arsenal, it must be because " I've lived here my whole life, been working here since I was 18, Joe Smoe, our boss, we went to school together" .  It's even worse if you decide to live in a small farming town 45min away, "We don't know you, we don't know your parents, or your family, so we won't talk to you".  There two kinds of people here, those that don't like the area and have moved out and those that love it and have stayed here their whole life and can't think beyond their city limits. 

It also comes from it being primarily civilian work force and not military, so there is no rotation of people, no new ideas coming in.




tommyboa2012-04-30 16:15:09
Longing to go overseas with the DLA.
slobooger  
#9 Posted : Monday, April 30, 2012 10:27:44 PM(UTC)
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Sounds just about right. "My Daddy got me a job here 25 years ago."
 
The guy that runs Tobyhanna has no idea how to run anything, High school drop-out. They actually hired a consulting firm to come in and look at the way things are run, because they couldnt figure out what was wrong.
 
The firm went in, assessed the situation, and told them. "ITS THE WAY THIS PLACE IS MANAGED."
"The problem is in-compitent managers, from the bottom, all the way to the top."
 
They told them they had no idea what they were talking about and get the hell off the Depot.
 
The current deputy is a highschool dropout, never went to college, has no idea how to run an organization. He has been there forever. When people ask about him retiring, his answer is always "NOBODY COULD EVER FILL MY SHOES, Nobody could do what I do. This place would fall apart without me."   ----Frank W. Zardecki
 
The dude is insane, and his head is so blown up. Because he failed to do his job, and somehow worked that angle all the way up. And they wonder why they have the Drug / Prostitution scandal going on there..... WHAT A HORRIBLE group of angry sick twisted managers!
 
And yes, google drug scandal at tobyhanna. To this day, they deny it.
 
There was even a department head under investigation for kiddie porn.... you know how they covered it? Some how, they pegged it on someone else. It is amazing what they get away with there.
 
Lead investigator named people acting as part of the drug ring.... Management denied the managers were involved and actually fought to vindicate them.
 
SICK. Just plain SICK
bozo  
#10 Posted : Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:53:14 AM(UTC)
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Unfortunately, most, if not all depots are like that--especially in rural areas. Toby, Warner Robins, CCAD, Jax, Crane, etc. These places are always the largest, and oldest hiring organizations within hundreds of miles, and the mindsets embedded in those places would take a complete purge of personnel. Thats why its up to people like yourself to find work elsewhere. Sometimes those netwroks are stronger than any external force, political or economic. Thats why they've survived for so long being run the way they are. But I have a feeling with the new defense budget, this will change drastically in the next 5 years or less. And if a Republican wins the White House, forget it. All those guys will be wearing Boeing or Raytheon shirts by 2015--or "encouraged" to retire.

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#11 Posted : Tuesday, May 01, 2012 6:35:13 AM(UTC)
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Same practices where I work now. I work for AMARG (Aerospace Maintenance And Regeneration Group) out at DMAFB in AZ. That place is full of shady hiring practices (good ole boy network) and full of people sitting in positions who are no where near qualified for their job. They call that place the "retired Chiefs club" because most of the retired Chiefs from DMAFB side slide into positions out there. Everything suffers becasue of the idiocy and lunacy of upper management.

bozo  
#12 Posted : Tuesday, May 01, 2012 8:23:16 AM(UTC)
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2000KnightRider wrote:

Same practices where I work now. I work for AMARG (Aerospace Maintenance And Regeneration Group) out at DMAFB in AZ. That place is full of shady hiring practices (good ole boy network) and full of people sitting in positions who are no where near qualified for their job. They call that place the "retired Chiefs club" because most of the retired Chiefs from DMAFB side slide into positions out there. Everything suffers becasue of the idiocy and lunacy of upper management.



When did they change from AMARC to AMARG? Always something I guess...And yes, that's the same sort of thing. If youre in a high military retirement area as well--DM, Wright-Patt, San Antonio--the same rules apply. Members work the system while they're in, and the transition is pretty much complete before they retire. I've seen some really ugly stuff in my time. Some of the Navy depots could have movies written about them...
slobooger  
#13 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2012 7:30:46 AM(UTC)
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I ran across this today.
http://citizensvoice.com/news/tobyhanna-army-depot-may-lay-off-130-contract-workers-1.1295276#axzz1uVa4gIRS

I wont post the whole thing, its about them cutting a bunch of contractor positions to save money.
I will post one response to it, that I thought was VERY valid from my six months in that ridiculous place.

"they need to start with the director and then work down......Most of the
people on this gravy train are political hacks or come from political
hack famalies,starting with the director......there are some hard
working people at the depot, but the management all seem to be sneaky,back biting type." -george l

This is completely true, I was amazed at how many positions wer actually CREATED specifically for family members in "The Club".
All the BS that goes on there is covered by their BS "Corporate Philosophy." Code word for, "We do whatever we want and if you dont like it, we will make your life miserable."

Rather than laying off the workers, perhaps they should lay off their family members. The need for 3500 management / Administrative jobs, for about 4000 workers in absolutely INSANE, and a huge wast of taxpayer money.

A secretary hired by her sister who is in upper management? OPM Really needs to get in there and investigate the CRAP going on in there. the operational costs of that place could easily be dropped by about 50% by looking at the many levels of management!

SHOUT-OUT TO MY VANPOOL!!!!
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