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Rikaku  
#1 Posted : Thursday, April 12, 2012 9:53:14 AM(UTC)
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I am thinking about moving in a few months, and would like to know the difficulty of applying internally as a current Fed? I know applying as an outside candidate is pretty much impossible, but does anyone here have experience doing a lateral transfer, and if so about how long did it take you between applying and receiving an offer? I will be looking at Contract Specialist positions at the GS-12 level. 

Thanks in advance. 
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#2 Posted : Thursday, April 12, 2012 10:37:15 AM(UTC)
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Rikaku wrote:
I am thinking about moving in a few months, and would like to know the difficulty of applying internally as a current Fed? I know applying as an outside candidate is pretty much impossible, but does anyone here have experience doing a lateral transfer, and if so about how long did it take you between applying and receiving an offer? I will be looking at Contract Specialist positions at the GS-12 level. 

Thanks in advance. 

 

Our you a Veteran?  It really depends on experences.  If you have good experences than you stand a better shoot. 

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#3 Posted : Thursday, April 12, 2012 10:38:58 AM(UTC)
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I don't think it will be that hard for you.  It seems like a lot of the acquisition workforce is nearing retirement age. 

Veterans preference is not an issue in status announcements.


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coderunner  
#4 Posted : Thursday, April 12, 2012 10:43:08 AM(UTC)
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Spence is right.  Lot of workers in my agency our getting closed to retirement.  Uppers in my agency have sat down with us and said that we will all make pack to hirre more Veterans to replace retirers.  This is good in longrun.  
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#5 Posted : Thursday, April 12, 2012 10:50:29 AM(UTC)
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coderunner wrote:

Spence is right.  Lot of workers in my agency our getting closed to retirement.  Uppers in my agency have sat down with us and said that we will all make pack to "hirre" more Veterans to replace "retirers".  This is good in the long run.  

 
It takes a real idiot to carry on pretending to be a fake idiot and making veterans look stupid. If that is your intention, it's not working. NO ONE could be that stupid in reality. Codesnapper, we are patiently waiting for your suspension.Dead
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#6 Posted : Thursday, April 12, 2012 10:57:00 AM(UTC)
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spence wrote:

Veterans preference is not an issue in status announcements.


 
No thats not what I was saying.  What I am saying is that Veterans have better experences when applying internal and our more likeley to get hirred aganst those that do not have this experence.   
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#7 Posted : Thursday, April 12, 2012 10:59:32 AM(UTC)
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That could be a valid point, but if Rikaku is already a GS-12, I am sure Rikaku has several years of contracting experience already.
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spence wrote:

No thats not what I was saying.  What I am saying is that Veterans have better experences when applying internal and our more likeley to get hirred aganst those that do not have this experence.   




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#8 Posted : Thursday, April 12, 2012 11:02:09 AM(UTC)
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spence wrote:

That could be a valid point, but if Rikaku is already a GS-12, I am sure Rikaku has several years of contracting experience already.
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spence wrote:

No thats not what I was saying.  What I am saying is that Veterans have better experences when applying internal and our more likeley to get hirred aganst those that do not have this experence.   


 
Thank you I see your point
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#9 Posted : Thursday, April 12, 2012 11:05:00 AM(UTC)
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Glad we can see each other points, coderunner.

Also want to add, I don't want to give the impression that moving to another agency is a cinch.  There are so many stories on this board of people who have tried to transfer for years and years.   It took me four years to transfer jobs.

But it seems
there is a real shortage of qualified, knowledgeable contracting people, as older folks start retiring,
so that's why I don't think it should be super hard for Contract Specialist specifically.  Having said that,
another agency might prefer that Rikaku start at say a GS-9 or GS-11
rather than laterally transfer direct to another GS-12 position, to get
used to the agency culture and method of doing things.  I know my boss
does not like to hire from DoD because DoD (civilian) Contract Specialists are too specialized rather than working in a "cradle to grave" contracting environment.





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Rikaku  
#10 Posted : Thursday, April 12, 2012 11:08:21 AM(UTC)
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Spence, thanks for the pointers. One more question, do you think the hiring freezes and etc will affect internal lateral transfers at all?


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#11 Posted : Thursday, April 12, 2012 11:24:13 AM(UTC)
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Transferring internally is not as easy some make it sound.  A lot of feds are looking for advancement within the system.  This means competition.  It seems those that network best and are the most charming are the most successful.  Of course the favorites seems to have it easy.


Rikaku  
#12 Posted : Thursday, April 12, 2012 11:32:31 AM(UTC)
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That's what I was afraid of :( 

I was hoping that certifications (level III) and a few years of experience would help me out. I don't have a masters, do you think that will make a big difference for GS-12 positions given my experience and certs? 
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#13 Posted : Thursday, April 12, 2012 1:58:06 PM(UTC)
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Rikaku wrote:
That's what I was afraid of :( 

I was hoping that certifications (level III) and a few years of experience would help me out. I don't have a masters, do you think that will make a big difference for GS-12 positions given my experience and certs? 
 
I would be more worried about not being a vet than not having a Masters.  Every person familiar with federal hiring knows that all of the jobs are going to vets these days.  External hires and internal hires. 
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#14 Posted : Thursday, April 12, 2012 9:57:50 PM(UTC)
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Rikaku wrote:
That's what I was afraid of :( 

 
I would be more worried about not being a vet than not having a Masters.  Every person familiar with federal hiring knows that all of the jobs are going to vets these days.  External hires and internal hires. 
Being a veteran has NO impact on internal hires.  Veteran preference only applies for external hires.  Internal hires are extremely competitive and for most agencies the hiring process is covered by the agreement the agency has with the corresponding union.
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#15 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2012 9:56:39 AM(UTC)
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spence wrote:
It took me four years to transfer jobs.


Well, this thread is very timely.  I'm eight months into the process of applying for a transfer, so only.......three more years to go?  Boo.  This was after 4 years and hundreds of apps. trying to break in from the outside.  I finally got in, but am not very happy with my current position and place they relocated me to.    

My daily routine has now developed into visiting usajobs every night.  Guess will just have to stick with it....since I know zero other feds to network with in different agencies.       
Rikaku  
#16 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2012 9:57:56 AM(UTC)
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Sparky, if you don't mind me asking -- what field do you work in and your grade? 
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#17 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2012 10:47:04 AM(UTC)
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It took me four years, but others I know have definitely done it in a shorter time.  I wasn't Fully Successful for the first two years I was a federal employee because I was only able to be Mimimally Successful at the efficiency standard in my seasonal IRS tax examining job until my third season.  So I couldn't really apply for other jobs.  Don't be discouraged just because of my story! 

Once I was able to seriously apply, I got quite a few referrals for different jobs, I was interviewed a few times from those referrals, and it took me a little over a year to transfer.  But I say the four years to give people an idea that this is not a quick process but to let them know also that patience and hard work do pay off.  It does help to be "in the system."  And you have us to network with!

Sparky wrote:
spence wrote:
It took me four years to transfer jobs.


Well, this thread is very timely.  I'm eight months into the process of applying for a transfer, so only.......three more years to go?  Boo.  This was after 4 years and hundreds of apps. trying to break in from the outside.  I finally got in, but am not very happy with my current position and place they relocated me to.    

My daily routine has now developed into visiting usajobs every night.  Guess will just have to stick with it....since I know zero other feds to network with in different agencies.       





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Sparky  
#18 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2012 11:26:40 AM(UTC)
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rikaku, do you want my position?  We could trade.  Wink 

But you'd need to pass a SSBI background, medical exam, and a three month away-from-home training program first.  Egads, the process I went through to get on with the fed....
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#19 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2012 9:45:23 PM(UTC)
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Hard as hell if you are trying to change series. I was stuck in HR for two years, trying to get a job in a policy/legislative affairs shop. 
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#20 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:32:53 AM(UTC)
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It may take abit but you need to apply to all that appeal to you. Lightning may strick and you get that job real soon. Or it could take a while. Good luck.
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