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Melerkat  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:28:54 AM(UTC)
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for the first time in the history of the USPS, there is no CAREER new hire position in the Mail Handler, Clerk or Carrier positions.

There are "PSE", "CCA" and MHA" positions.

While all MAY lead to career appointments, there are no guarantees.

And "The Sword of Damocles" will hang above the necks of these APPOINTEES.

The USPS can refuse to "Re-Appoint" for the worker not working fast enough for their tastes.
For customer complaints.
For "A Bad attitude."
For taking too much time off.
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This is a SAD YEAR in the History of the USPS. And I put much of the blame on the APWU for setting the precedent. They AGREED to this, and management took full advantage of it during the Arbitration Process for the other unions.
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:30:27 AM(UTC)
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I say all the blame goes to the APWU. Or at least 99.99% of it!!!!!
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:37:55 AM(UTC)
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True, but for CCA's at least, management cannot pick a CCA to refuse to reappoint. They have to choose the lowest in terms of relative standing AND, they have to re-hire that CCA if an opening comes up within 18 months.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:53:51 AM(UTC)
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unclejimbo wrote:
True, but for CCA's at least, management cannot pick a CCA to refuse to reappoint. They have to choose the lowest in terms of relative standing AND, they have to re-hire that CCA if an opening comes up within 18 months.

Same with PSE's...cannot be let go unless there is a really good reason or for lack of work. But, if there are new openings and IF the PSE was let go for lack of work, they have to re-hire he/she again if he/she wants to come back that is.

Releasing a PSE's is done in the order of PSE seniority.

Also, I not only blame APWU for this mess but the members as well. ***** they voted the contract in by 3-1 if memory serves. They all followed along like sheep to the slaughter. Blix2013-02-20 19:02:11
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 2:00:33 PM(UTC)
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Re: CCAs making regular back on the 15th you wrote...


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Actually you heard it HERE first. I eagerly await the first CCA to post that they have. I KNOW it will happen in my Branch after 90-days of hire. I KNOW THAT. Simple math in my Branch.


Now you're hedging your bet with this...


Melerkat wrote:
for the first time in the history of the USPS, there is no CAREER new hire position in the Mail Handler, Clerk or Carrier positions.

There are "PSE", "CCA" and MHA" positions.

While all MAY lead to career appointments, there are no guarantees.



So...which is it? You KNOW it's gonna happen or it MAY happen?

Between me and you and the computer monitor I'm willing to go on the record and say...forget about it.

The Post Office, NOT the APWU, will not be making any CaCAs regular.
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123midwestte  
#6 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:08:16 PM(UTC)
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I agree with the above posters .... which is unusual.   There isn't going to be any CCA conversions to career anytime soon.   I think that it will be years before this is a possibility. That is why, with the carriers at least, they waited until all the TE's reapplied before they announced 5 day delivery.
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:21:58 PM(UTC)
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Melerkat wrote:
for the first time in the history of the USPS, there is no CAREER new hire position in the Mail Handler, Clerk or Carrier positions.

There are "PSE", "CCA" and MHA" positions.

While all MAY lead to career appointments, there are no guarantees.

And "The Sword of Damocles" will hang above the necks of these APPOINTEES.

The USPS can refuse to "Re-Appoint" for the worker not working fast enough for their tastes.
For customer complaints.
For "A Bad attitude."
For taking too much time off.
Add more reasons HERE:_______________________

This is a SAD YEAR in the History of the USPS. And I put much of the blame on the APWU for setting the precedent. They AGREED to this, and management took full advantage of it during the Arbitration Process for the other unions.


with all that being said, how do you feel cca's staying in the union benefit the cca? it seems to me that it doesn't make a lot of sense to do so. this whole situation just plain sucks!
alpine2g  
#8 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:32:47 PM(UTC)
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What made you change your tune? Many times you have boasted about how fast a CCA can make FTR, and now your saying never?
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:40:58 PM(UTC)
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I'm convinced TE's in the perfect circumstances will pick up FTR within a year. The problem is, every TE who is staying thinks they are in that "perfect circumstance". They convince themselves that an older carrier is going to retire soon, a route is vacant, or the PM has told me I will pick up.

Only time will tell, and I'm going to be sitting on the sidelines enjoying some much deserved time off waiting to see if I want to jump back in this career choice.
m65  
#10 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:53:44 PM(UTC)
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I mentioned on another post that Donahoe testified last week that his intention is to create a "next-generation Postal worker." He specifically said (if he gets his way) that these employees would have no pension and no TSP contributions and that this would apply to employees hired after 2015. Add in his "Postal-only" health plan and the desireability of this job goes downhill in a hurry for all employees, current and future.
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 11:27:44 PM(UTC)
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I think the first wave of CCAs will make start making regular in about a year. When Congress definitively rules on 5 day, no matter which way it goes, it will really weaken the POs ability to withhold routes. If they keep 5 day, there's a lot of vacant routes out there now that need to be filled. If they allow 5 day to happen, the PO would save a ton of money by offering an early out, and that will either absorb the t6 influx or possibly even absorb it and still create open routes. Maybe wishful thinking, but it's sound logic in my mind.
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#12 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 4:58:24 AM(UTC)
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m65 wrote:
I mentioned on another post that Donahoe testified last week that his intention is to create a "next-generation Postal worker." He specifically said (if he gets his way) that these employees would have no pension and no TSP contributions and that this would apply to employees hired after 2015. Add in his "Postal-only" health plan and the desireability of this job goes downhill in a hurry for all employees, current and future.


Thats interesting. The mailhandler award allows both 360 casual AND 360 day bargaining mha. I thought it was odd to have two non-career appointments, both for up to a year.
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#13 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 5:39:37 AM(UTC)
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Sadly, I agree. We in Salt Lake have already been given notice that we are under withholding for our 28 vacant fulltime positions due to plant closings in Provo, UT and Pocatello, ID. We are grieving the T-6 holdings for the first 7 CCA's but not sure what will come of it.
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GordonG  
#14 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 1:10:58 AM(UTC)
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Until the Post Office settles down and gets to their preferred number of distribution centers nationwide, which is 135 facilities, why would they ever make CAs regular employees?

How many plants do we have now? We still have awhile before we get down to 135. Heck, there's even a 96 plant scenario.

The PO will need to have FT positions available for their current career employees to land.

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#15 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 1:55:11 AM(UTC)
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I didn't want to "throw that out there", but I was thinking the same thing. No way a CCA will be converted to FTR anytime soon, with plant closings and 5 day looming over our heads, any vacant positions will be withheld pending excessing. Many CCA's will be in for yet another pleasant surprise from the good ole USPS.
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#16 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 2:09:47 AM(UTC)
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Sure, the CAs have a "career path" but let there no misunderstanding...











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#17 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 2:36:12 AM(UTC)
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To top it off, the administration just decided to require TSA and Custom Agents to take an unpaid furlough day every 5 day work week. The current administration will have no hesitation making mail delivery a 5-day a week reality as long as they can pass the blame onto someone else.
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#18 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 2:58:23 AM(UTC)
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Lest anyone forget what the goal is.

The PO still wants to reduce it's current level of career employees down to 400,000 by 2016.

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In addition to the potential job cuts due to five-day delivery, the Postal Service has offered three different buyouts in 2012. Donahoe said he doesn't expect anymore in the near future. With the current offers on the table, Donahoe expects the size of his workforce to shrink below 500,000. The agency currently has a career staff of about 526,000 and hopes to be closer to 400,000 employees by 2016


http://www.federalnewsradio.com/537/3099851/Postmaster-General-urges-quick-action-in-lame-duck-session

Why on earth would anyone believe much less have others believe that the PO will make them regulars?

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#19 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 3:04:45 AM(UTC)
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GordonG wrote:
Until the Post Office settles down and gets to their preferred number of distribution centers nationwide, which is 135 facilities, why would they ever make CAs regular employees?

How many plants do we have now? We still have awhile before we get down to 135. Heck, there's even a 96 plant scenario.

The PO will need to have FT positions available for their current career employees to land.



Ive seen that map before and I understand what they are trying to do.
while it makes sense for the one near minneapolis (big new plant build) I dont get the one in northern wi near the UP border. I've been told theres not a plant there? it looks like someone just stuck dots on a map with no regard for terrain and distance
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#20 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 3:19:17 AM(UTC)
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I don't agree that its all the unions fault. They have grievances in for me and other PSEs that should have been hired as clerks. Its management that isn't following the contract and now it's just a waiting game to go through all the steps my grievance is at the national level now.
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