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The Department of Defense (DoD) is charged with coordinating and supervising all agencies and functions of the government relating directly to national security and the United States armed forces. The mission of the Department of Defense is to provide the military forces needed to deter war and to protect the security of our country.

The Department of Defense is America's oldest and largest government agency -tracing its roots back to pre-Revolutionary times. Today, the Department is not only in charge of the military, but it also employs a civilian force of thousands. With over 1.4 million men and women on active duty, and 718,000 civilian personnel, DoD is the nation's largest employer. Another 1.1 million serve in the National Guard and Reserve forces. More than 2 million military retirees and their family members receive benefits.

Perhaps you are working for the DoD or interested in working for the DoD. Here is a forum to share your experience with the DoD.
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MC5Wes  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, April 02, 2013 12:23:54 PM(UTC)
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Just wondering if everyone here is convinced a RIF within the DOD in FY2014 is inevitable.

What are your plans?
GJP26  
#2 Posted : Tuesday, April 02, 2013 1:40:34 PM(UTC)
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As for me...

DLA Finance employee 3 years + 6 with IRS= 9 total Federal
33 Y/O
CPA with tons of tax preparation/compliance at CPA firms and IRS experience

Current job is at GS 11, step 2 plateau with promotion to GS-12 looking bleak and RIFs inevitable. Right now I'm getting feelers out to recruiters for CPA firms or tax positions. I love doing tax work. HATE what I'm doing now, but like the people. My current job really doesn't even require a college degree and I'm icing my CPA where I am. To stay or go, that is the question? Will my GS 11-2 be beat in the private sector with my creds? We'll see, but I'm not jumping on the first ship.
Ryos  
#3 Posted : Tuesday, April 02, 2013 5:50:22 PM(UTC)
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May be no RIF per se (likelier to leave vacancies unfilled) but I wouldn't be surprised if BRAC came up. I'd actually be thrilled to be RIFed but my situation is complicated.Ryos2013-04-03 01:56:57
nofedjob  
#4 Posted : Wednesday, April 03, 2013 9:25:49 AM(UTC)
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The FY 2013 DOD budget that was approved in Dec and signed by Barak. Requires a 1 for 1 cut of civil servants for every military position eliminated. The Army is eliminating 16,000 positions this year so its inevitable that RIF's will start soon
MC5Wes  
#5 Posted : Wednesday, April 03, 2013 10:06:52 AM(UTC)
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Nofedjob

Thanks for the heads up again. Cant wait to get me some RIF.

Im out of here.
alsmith  
#6 Posted : Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:24:43 PM(UTC)
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Well for the folks who did not believe the DoD Comptroller how about the SECDEF? SEC. Hagel has now publically stated that there will be RIFs, he will ask congress for BRAC approval as well as reducing pay and benefits.   
fcarver  
#7 Posted : Wednesday, April 03, 2013 4:08:39 PM(UTC)
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Al, link?
alsmith  
#8 Posted : Wednesday, April 03, 2013 8:39:17 PM(UTC)
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fcarver wrote:
Al, link?


http://www.federalnewsradio.com/1103/3273595/Hagel-tells-Pentagon-to-brace-for-more-cost-cutting

http://defense.aol.com/2013/04/03/sec-chuck-hagel-china-cooperation-military-pay-benefits/

http://www.defensenews.com/article/20130403/DEFREG02/304030008/Hagel-Calls-Major-Overhaul-U-S-Military-Structure?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

http://www.federaltimes.com/article/20130403/DEPARTMENTS01/304030008/Hagel-Calls-Major-Overhaul-U-S-Military-Structure
MC5Wes  
#9 Posted : Wednesday, April 03, 2013 9:19:13 PM(UTC)
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The difference is that the DOD can order a hiring freeze, slow down pilot training, cancel air shows, have less flight hours, offer early retirement, stop cash awards, and lay off contractors and temps.

But they can’t stop buying aircraft, close bases or have a RIF without Congress saying its ok.

So guess which ones will happen?
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nofedjob  
#10 Posted : Thursday, April 04, 2013 7:49:09 AM(UTC)
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The RIF action has already been approved in Dec
seminolefan72  
#11 Posted : Thursday, April 04, 2013 8:22:59 AM(UTC)
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RIF's are coming, believe it or not but they are.
common sense
MC5Wes  
#12 Posted : Thursday, April 04, 2013 9:02:25 AM(UTC)
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Can you tell use what date?

seminolefan72  
#13 Posted : Thursday, April 04, 2013 9:10:55 AM(UTC)
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What makes you think they're not? The SECDEF stated the force size will shrink and they are pushing for BRAC 2014. I guess in a few years they are. I am no prophet but i see the writing on the wall.
common sense
Fed1969  
#14 Posted : Thursday, April 04, 2013 10:28:22 AM(UTC)
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Downsizing is coming. Attrition and buyouts first. RIF if needed.
MC5Wes  
#15 Posted : Thursday, April 04, 2013 12:29:55 PM(UTC)
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Dont need a RIF when most of your workforce is tired of the nonsense. And need VERA or VSIP to just leave.
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#16 Posted : Friday, April 05, 2013 7:44:46 PM(UTC)
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RIFs are the last thing they will use. Typically RIFs may be used to target specific groups or numbers for workforce shaping not for wholesale reductions. The problem is that RIFs are so expensive. If you think it is too costly to pay VSIP then you certainly don't want RIFs. You then get into the whole severance pay issues which are usually a lot more than a VSIP. I was at one organization that was disestablished and absorbed into another where one severance package was over 100k.
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#17 Posted : Friday, April 05, 2013 9:49:00 PM(UTC)
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The other drawback to RIF is the last in first out aspect. They will do everything they can to get high tenure employees out before moving to a RIF. In my command, they managed a 15% reduction over the last few years by using VERA/VSIP.
MC5Wes  
#18 Posted : Saturday, April 06, 2013 1:12:44 AM(UTC)
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Severance packages are expensive. You get a couple of weeks pay for each each year. So someone with 20 years would be 40 weeks pay.

Cheaper to stop hiring and VSIP the rest at 25K each.
top2pear  
#19 Posted : Saturday, April 06, 2013 2:27:23 AM(UTC)
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2 wars winding down and budget needs cutting, so a RIF just makes sense.

However, rather than slashing jobs, it makes much more sense to just quit hiring and cut numbers through attrition. This has been mentioned before, but I would think the amount people leaving federal service every year is substantial.
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#20 Posted : Saturday, April 06, 2013 3:32:56 AM(UTC)
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NCP wrote:
RIFs are the last thing they will use. Typically RIFs may be used to target specific groups or numbers for workforce shaping not for wholesale reductions. QUOTE]

I agree. Personally, I feel RIF will be the last thing the government does because, in my opinion, agencies will be targeting the "Baby Boomers" and RIFs would protect that generation (based on seniority). So, with that in mind, early retirements and incentives to retire would make more sense. People are working a lot longer which unfortunately, does not make room for the younger generations to move into the positions occupied by the "older" generation. Case in point, we had several 70+ year old engineers who were working making over $100k salary and drawing Social Security benefits. It took a BRAC to get rid of most of the 70+ year old employees who were contributing less than 50% productivity just because technology had outpaced their knowledge and learning curve.

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