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#1 Posted : Friday, March 28, 2014 2:07:22 PM(UTC)

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Hi, I'm sorry you are having a rough time transitioning, but I highly suggest that you delete some of your identifying info to include the hiring managers details. Although I don't believe that the system is corrupt, I do know that it's a small world and everyone knows someone who knows someone else. Don't allow yourself to be judged in a negative light because of this isolated incidence. Just trust and believe that there is something bigger and better waiting for you and only you!
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#2 Posted : Friday, March 28, 2014 9:12:52 PM(UTC)

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dcb1 wrote:
I applied for a position with the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency in Denver. The qualifying question of

"Do you have the one year of specialized experience qualification required for this position at the next lower pay band, NB-IV level as defined in the vacancy announcement?"

I marked No because I don't have 1 year of experience of federal employment. I do have 25 years in the IT industry as a computer technician and systems admin/engineer. I have 22 years in the military, a 4 year degree in IT with a GPA of 3.78, tens of thousand of dollars in IT schooling and certs.

My mistake for misunderstanding the question but that question is misleading. I receive the email stating I was not qualified. I responded to the hiring manager Saundra Keys.

"Dear Hiring Manager

That question of the specialized experience is misleading because is it specialized experience as a GS or in the IT industry?

I think after 22 years serving my country in the military, a four year IT degree with a 3.78 GPA, dozens of years in the civilian IT sector, and tens of thousand of dollars of IT courses for you to claim I'm not qualified is disrespectful and shows the disconnect of hiring managers in today's world. No wonder the US government is in debt.

Thank your and good luck find a "qualified" applicant.
"

Saundra Keys resonded with,

"I feel it’s important to share with you that if you screen yourself out of consideration by answering negatively to vacancy questions as you did for this posting you will continue to lose out on actually being reviewed by Human Resources.

We cannot change your negative responses as stated in the communication sent to you. When a candidate answers negatively to the vacancy questions up front they are stating they do not meet the qualification requirements outlined in the job posting. Therefore, the applicant is stating they are not qualified for the position.

My suggestion going forward for your federal government application submissions would be to ensure you are reading the questions asked thoroughly and answering them appropriately in order to make sure if you are qualified you do not screen yourself out of consideration. Also, pay special attention to the portion where the specialized experience is defined so that you can relate your education and experience to the requirements. I am copying this information from this posting here for your reference:

Specialized experience for this position includes: Experience in information technology desktop support. Skills in supporting large-scale information technology initiatives and implementing processes for proactive identification and analysis of desktop problems and trending. Demonstrated knowledge and technical skills in supporting and maintaining a Microsoft PC based operating system environment. Demonstrated skills in supporting the implementation of enterprise-wide solutions to resolve systemic PC based problems requiring detailed understanding of hardware and operating systems architecture are also critical.

While I cannot consider you for this job posting, I encourage you to apply to future openings within the OCC as they become available.

Thank you for your interest in employment with the OCC and have a great remainder to your day.

Saundra R. Keys
Human Resources Service Center - HQ
Office of Human Capital
Office of the Comptroller of the Currency
(972) 277-9645 (o)
(571) 442-5613 (f)


This was on 18 March 2014 that she replied to my email. Five minutes after I sent that email I was searching USAJOBS and the similar job description at OCC in Denver showed up in my search. I applied for that position and am 110% certain I marked YES on the the qualifying experience question because I had just finished sending an email to the hiring manager voicing my dislike of that question. So I am absolutely certain I marked YES, that I had 1 years specialized experience.

On 25 March 2014 I receive an email from OCC stating I marked NO on that questionnaire which I am 110% certain that I selected YES.

Your application will not be reviewed for IT Specialist (Customer Support), MP-MT-14-030D, with the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC): You were found not qualified for this position because you answered "No" to the vacancy question, "Do you have the one year of specialized experience qualification required for this position at the next lower pay band, NB-IV level as defined in the vacancy announcement?"

Because this position requires one year of specialized experience, and you answered "No" to this question, you have been eliminated from further consideration. Applicants' responses to questions cannot be corrected or changed after the closing date of a vacancy announcement.

-OR-

You were found not qualified for this position because you answered "No" to the selective placement factor question(s).

Because this position requires candidates to possess both the specialized experience and the Selective Placement Factor(s) to be considered qualified for the position, and you answered "No" to one of these questions, you have been eliminated from further consideration. Applicants' responses to questions cannot be corrected or changed after the closing date of a vacancy announcement.

Thank you for your interest in OCC Career Opportunities.

HR Service Center


I went to the Dept of Treasury job application history web site and looked for my answers to the employment questionnaires. Suspiciously the PDF containing my responses for those two positions were not on that site but positions I had applied for previously had PDFs with my responses to the questionnaires.

I applied for a total 3 positions with OCC-Denver. 2 came back as Not Qualified because I supposedly marked NO on my experience. I am certain that I marked YES on the second application because I found that job on USAJOBS less than 5 minutes after firing off the email to the hiring manager so I was VERY certain that I marked YES on my experience but since a copy of my application is suspiciously no longer on the Dept of Treasury website there is nothing I can do.

On the 3rd application I definitely marked YES on the qualifying questions and received an email from OCC stating Your application has been received and is being reviewed.

Today I receive an email from OCC stating
During the review of your application for IT Specialist (Customer Support), MP-MT-14-029D, with the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC):

You were found not qualified and your application will not receive further consideration for this position because:

You do not meet the minimum qualifications requirements and/or Selective Placement Factor (SPF).

Thank you for your interest in OCC Career Opportunities.

HR Service Center


If I'm not qualified to provide computer technician support to the government after 22 years in the military, an IT bachelors degree, IT certificates, and 25 years of experience in the IT industry I'd like to know who is qualified for those positions and a 5 point veteran's preference.

This is the hiring manger being retaliatory for me voicing my dislike of their hiring process.

This shows you how corrupt the system really is.
I would file a complaint search out one of the agencies who can help you with your rights as a veteran being violated.   They obviously already has someone in mind for the position and I am so sick of these agencies doing this to people.
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#3 Posted : Saturday, March 29, 2014 3:47:05 AM(UTC)

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I think Saundra Keys went above and beyond in explaining to you that as much as you want to blame the agency for disqualifying you, you basically applied for a job and said in your application that you don't qualify for it.
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#4 Posted : Saturday, March 29, 2014 11:08:17 AM(UTC)

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I read it. I think you are assigning a great deal of malicious intent and assuming negative actions of an employee who went out of her way to give you information she was not obligated to provide.
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#5 Posted : Sunday, March 30, 2014 2:27:15 AM(UTC)

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dcb1 wrote:
fedelini wrote:
I read it. I think you are assigning a great deal of malicious intent and assuming negative actions of an employee who went out of her way to give you information she was not obligated to provide.


Isn't obvious what the hiring manager did? Falsifying data, removing official documents so that falsified data cannot be verified, then disqualifies a 22 year military veteran who is fully qualified from that position.

You are completely missing the point of this post. I don't care that she responded to my email. That is not the point of this post.

Please refrain from future posts if you can't understand what the post means.
If you submitted the documents they are their one thing that personnel and hiring officials can do is hide documents from our viewing. This is done in nearly all federal agencies. Her reply in no way hinders the agency from being to blame. In order for her to calm you down she had to reply they don't want you to file a complaint against the agency. I would look a little further into this if I were you. I believe although not sure is that preference veterans or disabled veterans can apply for posting after the vacancy has closed. I would think that you would be able to do an internet search to point you in the correct direction or try to contact the guy who was a veteran who took down a whole program in the government.
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#6 Posted : Sunday, March 30, 2014 2:42:30 AM(UTC)
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Well if you honestly think the hiring manager has some conspiracy against you, try looking into a FOIA request for your file since the PDF is now deleted. That should then get your original responses. The hiring manager would not be the one processing the FOIA request.

What I can say is that I've been in your shoes in the since that I was adamant that I did something and the other person keeps saying I didn't. I have been proven wrong on some occasions and right on others. Guess that's the nature of the beast.
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#7 Posted : Sunday, March 30, 2014 4:39:18 AM(UTC)
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Then you don't want a job. Private, public...doesn't matter. It happens everywhere.
dont even think about it  
#8 Posted : Sunday, March 30, 2014 8:21:45 AM(UTC)
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No soup for you!!! Lulz
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#9 Posted : Sunday, March 30, 2014 8:22:07 AM(UTC)
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Tell em why you madd son!
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, April 8, 2014 12:06:37 PM(UTC)

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Originally Posted by: phillyva Go to Quoted Post
dcb1 wrote:
I applied for a position with the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency in Denver. The qualifying question of

"Do you have the one year of specialized experience qualification required for this position at the next lower pay band, NB-IV level as defined in the vacancy announcement?"

I marked No because I don't have 1 year of experience of federal employment. I do have 25 years in the IT industry as a computer technician and systems admin/engineer. I have 22 years in the military, a 4 year degree in IT with a GPA of 3.78, tens of thousand of dollars in IT schooling and certs.

My mistake for misunderstanding the question but that question is misleading. I receive the email stating I was not qualified. I responded to the hiring manager Saundra Keys.

"Dear Hiring Manager

That question of the specialized experience is misleading because is it specialized experience as a GS or in the IT industry?

I think after 22 years serving my country in the military, a four year IT degree with a 3.78 GPA, dozens of years in the civilian IT sector, and tens of thousand of dollars of IT courses for you to claim I'm not qualified is disrespectful and shows the disconnect of hiring managers in today's world. No wonder the US government is in debt.

Thank your and good luck find a "qualified" applicant.
"

Saundra Keys resonded with,

"I feel it’s important to share with you that if you screen yourself out of consideration by answering negatively to vacancy questions as you did for this posting you will continue to lose out on actually being reviewed by Human Resources.

We cannot change your negative responses as stated in the communication sent to you. When a candidate answers negatively to the vacancy questions up front they are stating they do not meet the qualification requirements outlined in the job posting. Therefore, the applicant is stating they are not qualified for the position.

My suggestion going forward for your federal government application submissions would be to ensure you are reading the questions asked thoroughly and answering them appropriately in order to make sure if you are qualified you do not screen yourself out of consideration. Also, pay special attention to the portion where the specialized experience is defined so that you can relate your education and experience to the requirements. I am copying this information from this posting here for your reference:

Specialized experience for this position includes: Experience in information technology desktop support. Skills in supporting large-scale information technology initiatives and implementing processes for proactive identification and analysis of desktop problems and trending. Demonstrated knowledge and technical skills in supporting and maintaining a Microsoft PC based operating system environment. Demonstrated skills in supporting the implementation of enterprise-wide solutions to resolve systemic PC based problems requiring detailed understanding of hardware and operating systems architecture are also critical.

While I cannot consider you for this job posting, I encourage you to apply to future openings within the OCC as they become available.

Thank you for your interest in employment with the OCC and have a great remainder to your day.

Saundra R. Keys
Human Resources Service Center - HQ
Office of Human Capital
Office of the Comptroller of the Currency
(972) 277-9645 (o)
(571) 442-5613 (f)


This was on 18 March 2014 that she replied to my email. Five minutes after I sent that email I was searching USAJOBS and the similar job description at OCC in Denver showed up in my search. I applied for that position and am 110% certain I marked YES on the the qualifying experience question because I had just finished sending an email to the hiring manager voicing my dislike of that question. So I am absolutely certain I marked YES, that I had 1 years specialized experience.

On 25 March 2014 I receive an email from OCC stating I marked NO on that questionnaire which I am 110% certain that I selected YES.

Your application will not be reviewed for IT Specialist (Customer Support), MP-MT-14-030D, with the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC): You were found not qualified for this position because you answered "No" to the vacancy question, "Do you have the one year of specialized experience qualification required for this position at the next lower pay band, NB-IV level as defined in the vacancy announcement?"

Because this position requires one year of specialized experience, and you answered "No" to this question, you have been eliminated from further consideration. Applicants' responses to questions cannot be corrected or changed after the closing date of a vacancy announcement.

-OR-

You were found not qualified for this position because you answered "No" to the selective placement factor question(s).

Because this position requires candidates to possess both the specialized experience and the Selective Placement Factor(s) to be considered qualified for the position, and you answered "No" to one of these questions, you have been eliminated from further consideration. Applicants' responses to questions cannot be corrected or changed after the closing date of a vacancy announcement.

Thank you for your interest in OCC Career Opportunities.

HR Service Center


I went to the Dept of Treasury job application history web site and looked for my answers to the employment questionnaires. Suspiciously the PDF containing my responses for those two positions were not on that site but positions I had applied for previously had PDFs with my responses to the questionnaires.

I applied for a total 3 positions with OCC-Denver. 2 came back as Not Qualified because I supposedly marked NO on my experience. I am certain that I marked YES on the second application because I found that job on USAJOBS less than 5 minutes after firing off the email to the hiring manager so I was VERY certain that I marked YES on my experience but since a copy of my application is suspiciously no longer on the Dept of Treasury website there is nothing I can do.

On the 3rd application I definitely marked YES on the qualifying questions and received an email from OCC stating Your application has been received and is being reviewed.

Today I receive an email from OCC stating
During the review of your application for IT Specialist (Customer Support), MP-MT-14-029D, with the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC):

You were found not qualified and your application will not receive further consideration for this position because:

You do not meet the minimum qualifications requirements and/or Selective Placement Factor (SPF).

Thank you for your interest in OCC Career Opportunities.

HR Service Center


If I'm not qualified to provide computer technician support to the government after 22 years in the military, an IT bachelors degree, IT certificates, and 25 years of experience in the IT industry I'd like to know who is qualified for those positions and a 5 point veteran's preference.

This is the hiring manger being retaliatory for me voicing my dislike of their hiring process.

This shows you how corrupt the system really is.
I would file a complaint search out one of the agencies who can help you with your rights as a veteran being violated.They obviously already has someone in mind for the position and I am so sick of these agencies doing this to people.


OP, you self certified that you don't have the specialized experience. The question never stated you had to have federal service. Now you're upset because you misunderstood the question and want to have your answers changed? Jeeze! Your years of experience and thousands of dollars in IT debt, means absolutely nothing if you disqualify yourself.
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, April 9, 2014 5:21:11 AM(UTC)
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Seems to me that even with "22 years serving my country in the military, a four year IT degree with a 3.78 GPA, dozens of years in the civilian IT sector, and tens of thousand of dollars of IT courses" you are having trouble reading the vacancy announcements.

In the first example you gave, you admitted you marked yourself unqualified. That wasn't the agency's fault. And it certainly wasn't the hiring manager's fault.

In the second example you gave, the notice you received said "You do not meet the minimum qualifications requirements and/or Selective Placement Factor (SPF)."

Did you respond to the Selective Placement Factor? Do you even know what the Selective Placement Factor was?

Again, if you mark yourself as unqualified or do not meet the Selective Placement criteria, that's not the agency's fault and it's not the hiring manager's fault.

I would also add that OMP administers the USA Jobs website. There is no conspiracy by the hiring manager. Individual agencies and hiring managers have read-only access and do not have appropriate permissions to "Falsify data" or "remove official documents so that falsified data cannot be verified." Someone with your IT experience should understand that.

Slow down. Read the announcement very carefully. Then close down your browser. Go back the next day and re-read the announcement. Pay attention to every word in the specialized experience description. Double check the area of consideration to make sure you can apply. Look for any selective placement factors and be sure you address them. Make sure the answers to the questionnaire or KSAs are supported in your work history or educational background.

If there is anything you have even the slightest question about, call the contact info and ask before you apply.
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