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ctm1cvn75  
#1 Posted : Saturday, July 26, 2008 1:56:52 PM(UTC)
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I've been watching for about eight years and I just can't get one.. I've interviewed several times with DOJ (4x) and never gotten hired. I've applied many times with the Navy - all I hear from them is crickets.

I was offered a GS13 step 1 about two years ago, with no interview, HR called I declined it was a big pay cut, they said they'd have to see if management wanted to negotiate - 10 minutes later I have a secretary on the line asking me questions and she paused when I said it was a pay cut and I was making $XX and I told her what is your email or fax - I'll fax over a paycheck stub. I did. They started working the numbers or so I was told - I said I didn't expect to come in as a step 10 but step 1 was a no go. They manager when on vacation - the hiring freeze came and I lost...

Just had a phone interview about a month ago for yet another 0856 with DOJ - talked with two gentlemen - they wanted me to come in for an interview the next day ( I replied I couldn't it was after lunch on thursday) they asked when I could come in I replied I was in college and had two finals Mon & Weds and I'd like to come in on Thur/Fri - oh maybe we can do this over the phone - we did- thought it went ok. Crickets again ... they were hiring 10 0856's or so it said.
Each position I'm told by HR I'm in the top 5 yet I can't get in the door...

I'm retired Navy - went thru BEEP and many AEF schools - no buzz from DON, and DOJ nibbles but no strikes...

I'm a junior at Strayer BS I.S. Networking 3.5gpa and at my regular job as a beltway bandit I've been promoted from sr field eng to sr principal eng - prog mgr in six years with a particular gov agency (been a contractor with them since I retired in 2001) so I know that I'm doing something right...

Any constructive criticism or suggestions would be appreciated.

I looked at the 2101 (earlier postings) how is that close to an electronics tech?

I do alot of different things but I was trained to TS to component level working on receivers, computers or whatever and I also do networking and comsec so I have a diverse background.

Maybe a gov job isn't the way to go...
hr7002  
#2 Posted : Saturday, July 26, 2008 8:24:49 PM(UTC)
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Greetings,

Many issues are brought up in this post, so I'll address them individually.

1) The qualification requirements for the GS-0856 are covered by an Individual Occupational Requirement (IOR), which is technically what staffing specialists are supposed to be using. At any rate, the GS-0856 is a one-grade interval job (e.g. GS-6, GS-7, GS-8, etc. opposed to two-grade interval GS-5, GS-7, GS-9, etc.) and is in the "Technical and Medical Support" occupational group, which is one of the four occupational groups in the the OPM Qualifications Standards handbook. The IOR for GS-0856 can be found here GS-0856 IOR
Take a look at these and see how you stack up.

2. Superior Qualifications: this the authority that agencies invoke when they are trying to bring on a new government employee at a step level higher than a step 1. You may want to ask about this when you get your next offer or maybe even during the interview process. Typically, once an employee already comes on board, HR won't approve such requests since the whole purpose of SQ is to be used as a recruitment incentive. See Superior Qualifications Info
With the experience you have mentioned and having advanced in private industry, I'm not sure how much this would mitigate your pay woes.

3. You've mentioned a couple times in your post that you're retired Navy. You may be already aware of this hiring authority, but have you heard of VEOA (Veterans' Employment Opportunity Act of 1998)? This law allows military vets who have at least 3 years of continuous service and were honorably discharged to apply to jobs that are usually open to only status candidates/govt-wide applicants (i.e. career and career conditional government employees) so long as as the vacancy is not limited to internal agency employees. The DD-214 is what should be submitted when applying to such vacancies.
OPM Vet Guide has more info about this.
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, July 29, 2008 11:38:36 AM(UTC)
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Civil Service is lower paid than the private sector, if you want the job you have to accept that right off the start. The interview issues would have stopped me from considering you if I were on the board. If you want a job bad enough, you find a way to make it to the interview. After all, you asked them for a job, they didn't come looking for you. Some benefits help make up some of the lower pay but not all that much. I'm noticing that most young people that that enter Civil Service now days just use it to gain work experience and contacts, then leave to go in the private sector because the money is better. I would come back with a counter offer next time instead of just throwing out your pay stub. Ask if they'd hire you as a 13 step 5 or 6 or whatever. Don't expect them to bring you in much higher than that though. In my 32 years of Civil Service, I spent eleven of them as an 856-12. Prior to that I was an 802-12. I left the 856 position and moved on to be a 1670-13. If I didn't have the many years in Civil Service and weren't so close to retirement, I would have left for the better pay of the private sector. I have received offers of over 20% more in pay to go to the private sector. As soon as I retire in about a year and a half, I will be going to work for the private sector. Good luck if you really want it.
grampi  
#4 Posted : Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:22:23 AM(UTC)
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People keep saying the private sector jobs pay more. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. Then there's always the thing about job security. Will you even have that private sector job next year, next month, next week, or even tomorrow? With the way this economy is going, you just don't know. The job security offered by civil service is worth some pay. Just how much can only be determined by you.
grampi  
#5 Posted : Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:33:41 AM(UTC)
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Also, VEOA and it's brethren plan VRA are jokes. Yes, all vets are entitled to these hiring preferences, however selecting officials are not required to use these tools when considering applicants. In other words, if the selecting officials wants to hire you they can use these tools to do so. If they don't want to hire you they don't have to consider these preferences. So basically they're worthless. If they want to hire you, they will do so preferences or no preferences. If they don't want to hire you your preferences aren't going to make any difference.
hr7002  
#6 Posted : Thursday, July 31, 2008 8:18:36 AM(UTC)
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quote:
Originally posted by grampi:
Also, VEOA and it's brethren plan VRA are jokes. Yes, all vets are entitled to these hiring preferences, however selecting officials are not required to use these tools when considering applicants. In other words, if the selecting officials wants to hire you they can use these tools to do so. If they don't want to hire you they don't have to consider these preferences. So basically they're worthless. If they want to hire you, they will do so preferences or no preferences. If they don't want to hire you your preferences aren't going to make any difference.


VEOA and VRA are becoming a standard part of Merit Promotion vacancy templates in some agencies. Sometimes HR includes it in there w/o management being aware, and sometimes management explicitly requests these hiring authorities.

The purpose of VEOA in terms of being referred to the selecting offical has nothing to do with preference. It simply opens doors for veterans by allowing them to be eligible for Merit Promotion jobs that are normally open to only eligible current and former government employees. There is no vet pref score augmentation, and Merit Promotion list of eligibles don't even include scores to begin with. Hence, a selecting official will get a list of qualified candidates that does not indicate vet status.
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