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Envihon  
#781 Posted : Tuesday, February 12, 2019 10:36:44 AM(UTC)
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Is anyone else still waiting for their BI to mark "complete" as well as a pending drug test? I have been desperately waiting for months now for my BI to be completed as well as to be scheduled for my drug test. I feel like I am falling behind compared to everyone else who is waiting for a call.


This is exactly where I am at. I am an 18-3 applicant. I definitely had my BI submitted 10-11 weeks ago. I also got an automated email after the shutdown ended saying they were continuing the process. I just got engaged as well and we wanted to start planning the wedding, so I guess I can't really put my life on hold for this job if it could take a few years. I am excited to continue the process and I am glad most think it is worth it.


Honestly, the average time depending several factors tends to be about a year and a half from getting your preliminary selection letter if you selected a region or port with a decent amount of staff and that's as long as you take what they offer you and don't defer your selection.
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For the people that have received the Final Selection Letter and have access to Onboarding Manager, did you guys sign and submit the tasks assigned at Onboarding Manager?

I noticed from the Final Selection Letter, it said not to sign or submit any forms in Onboarding prior to start date. But on the Onboarding Manager website, the tasks assigned are due before the start date. I'm a little confuse on which directions to follow. Tried calling for support but was not able to reach anyone.


For those that were also confused on this, I was able to reach for support today and the person there said to not sign any documents until you have the orientation.
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#783 Posted : Tuesday, February 12, 2019 11:18:10 PM(UTC)
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For the people that have received the Final Selection Letter and have access to Onboarding Manager, did you guys sign and submit the tasks assigned at Onboarding Manager?

I noticed from the Final Selection Letter, it said not to sign or submit any forms in Onboarding prior to start date. But on the Onboarding Manager website, the tasks assigned are due before the start date. I'm a little confuse on which directions to follow. Tried calling for support but was not able to reach anyone.


For those that were also confused on this, I was able to reach for support today and the person there said to not sign any documents until you have the orientation.


I have reached out to the CBP hiring center by phone, and the operator who picked up, told me to completed it. I also received an email from the POC at SF, asking me to complete the forms, sign it and sent a copy to the POC in charge at SF.

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#784 Posted : Wednesday, February 13, 2019 5:21:59 AM(UTC)
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For the people that have received the Final Selection Letter and have access to Onboarding Manager, did you guys sign and submit the tasks assigned at Onboarding Manager?

I noticed from the Final Selection Letter, it said not to sign or submit any forms in Onboarding prior to start date. But on the Onboarding Manager website, the tasks assigned are due before the start date. I'm a little confuse on which directions to follow. Tried calling for support but was not able to reach anyone.


For those that were also confused on this, I was able to reach for support today and the person there said to not sign any documents until you have the orientation.


I have reached out to the CBP hiring center by phone, and the operator who picked up, told me to completed it. I also received an email from the POC at SF, asking me to complete the forms, sign it and sent a copy to the POC in charge at SF.


For this, ask about it with your port when you contact them about your report date. Some will want it fully completed, some will not want it at all completed and others as in my case, they will want certain things filled out and other not filled out. When it comes to the Onboarding Manager, that goes from being port specific. Seek out your port and get guidance from them.

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For the people that have received the Final Selection Letter and have access to Onboarding Manager, did you guys sign and submit the tasks assigned at Onboarding Manager?

I noticed from the Final Selection Letter, it said not to sign or submit any forms in Onboarding prior to start date. But on the Onboarding Manager website, the tasks assigned are due before the start date. I'm a little confuse on which directions to follow. Tried calling for support but was not able to reach anyone.


For those that were also confused on this, I was able to reach for support today and the person there said to not sign any documents until you have the orientation.


I have reached out to the CBP hiring center by phone, and the operator who picked up, told me to completed it. I also received an email from the POC at SF, asking me to complete the forms, sign it and sent a copy to the POC in charge at SF.


For this, ask about it with your port when you contact them about your report date. Some will want it fully completed, some will not want it at all completed and others as in my case, they will want certain things filled out and other not filled out. When it comes to the Onboarding Manager, that goes from being port specific. Seek out your port and get guidance from them.



So I spoke to the hiring center and the person at my assigned port, they both said it is important to fully complete the questionnaire. But for documents that need to be signed, they suggest I wait for orientation even if the due date is before EoD. I actually signed two documents because they were due before I was able to talk to the person at hiring center. That person said it is fine, just don't sign any other documents.
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Does anyone know how the pay system works? I read up on GS system, and there are steps in each grade.

I am confused, so if you are say GS-5 step 5 (45,691), your pay is equivalent or a bit lower than say GS-6 step 1 (44,937). If you successfully get promoted to GS-5 step 10 (52,411) at the end of the year, and next pay grade is GS-6, does it mean you will take a pay cut and start over at GS-6 step 1? or do you promote to GS-6 step 6 (52,424)? or are you able to jump pay grade say go from 5 to 7 but at step 2 (51,602)

2019 salary table for reference

https://www.opm.gov/poli...y-tables/pdf/2019/SF.pdf

Thanks
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Does anyone know how the pay system works? I read up on GS system, and there are steps in each grade.

I am confused, so if you are say GS-5 step 5 (45,691), your pay is equivalent or a bit lower than say GS-6 step 1 (44,937). If you successfully get promoted to GS-5 step 10 (52,411) at the end of the year, and next pay grade is GS-6, does it mean you will take a pay cut and start over at GS-6 step 1? or do you promote to GS-6 step 6 (52,424)? or are you able to jump pay grade say go from 5 to 7 but at step 2 (51,602)

2019 salary table for reference

https://www.opm.gov/poli...y-tables/pdf/2019/SF.pdf

Thanks


When you are in a career ladder system which is a system with automatic promotions like the Agricultural Specialist, you won't ever get to those step increases until you hit the ending GS level with is 12. Not all steps are equal either. The first three steps are achieved ever year. Then Steps 5-7 are every two years and then steps 8-10 are every three years but you won't have to worry about that until you are GS 12 because you will go up GS level every year until you hit 12.

In a career ladder position, if you start at GS 5, you will be GS 7 on your anniversary with agency, the next year after that you will be GS 9 and then you go to GS 11 the year after finally hitting GS 12 after 4 years with the agency. When you change GS level you do go back to step one but you won't ever get past step one until you are GS 12. Career ladders are determined by the agency. Many of them stop at GS 11 but we are some of the lucky ones to be able to get all the way to GS 12.

So, there is nothing to worry about when it comes to possible less pay unless you take a position outside the agency at a lower GS level. Unless you re-apply to Ag Specialist or Officer to force a transfer like some do and you have to take a lower GS level to take the position but even then there is pay protection that you would enter in at the same pay level. So in my class we had an Officer who jumped over to Ag and was a 12 coming down to a 9 but he had pay protection so he continued to get the pay level he was receiving at a 12. I think he went to GS 9 step 5.
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Does anyone know how the pay system works? I read up on GS system, and there are steps in each grade.

I am confused, so if you are say GS-5 step 5 (45,691), your pay is equivalent or a bit lower than say GS-6 step 1 (44,937). If you successfully get promoted to GS-5 step 10 (52,411) at the end of the year, and next pay grade is GS-6, does it mean you will take a pay cut and start over at GS-6 step 1? or do you promote to GS-6 step 6 (52,424)? or are you able to jump pay grade say go from 5 to 7 but at step 2 (51,602)

2019 salary table for reference

https://www.opm.gov/poli...y-tables/pdf/2019/SF.pdf

Thanks


When you are in a career ladder system which is a system with automatic promotions like the Agricultural Specialist, you won't ever get to those step increases until you hit the ending GS level with is 12. Not all steps are equal either. The first three steps are achieved ever year. Then Steps 5-7 are every two years and then steps 8-10 are every three years but you won't have to worry about that until you are GS 12 because you will go up GS level every year until you hit 12.

In a career ladder position, if you start at GS 5, you will be GS 7 on your anniversary with agency, the next year after that you will be GS 9 and then you go to GS 11 the year after finally hitting GS 12 after 4 years with the agency. When you change GS level you do go back to step one but you won't ever get past step one until you are GS 12. Career ladders are determined by the agency. Many of them stop at GS 11 but we are some of the lucky ones to be able to get all the way to GS 12.

So, there is nothing to worry about when it comes to possible less pay unless you take a position outside the agency at a lower GS level. Unless you re-apply to Ag Specialist or Officer to force a transfer like some do and you have to take a lower GS level to take the position but even then there is pay protection that you would enter in at the same pay level. So in my class we had an Officer who jumped over to Ag and was a 12 coming down to a 9 but he had pay protection so he continued to get the pay level he was receiving at a 12. I think he went to GS 9 step 5.


Just one little correction there...
In my case, I was a GS12 step 7 Officer and I switched over to Ag Specialist. As a new aggie "trainee", I could only come in as a 5,7 or 9. So I came in as a GS-9 step 10. BUT, a GS-9 step 10 is still 30k less salary than I was making as a GS-12 step 7, so I took a big pay cut, (which I understood and was OK with). There was no requirement to pay me at the same rate because "ag specialist" is in a different job series (401) from the Officer series (1895) so the agency didn't have to match my pay, (no "pay protection"). I know this is something that probably 99.9% of new applicants don't need to be concerned about, but just wanted to give my unusual situation as an example.
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Does anyone know how the pay system works? I read up on GS system, and there are steps in each grade.

I am confused, so if you are say GS-5 step 5 (45,691), your pay is equivalent or a bit lower than say GS-6 step 1 (44,937). If you successfully get promoted to GS-5 step 10 (52,411) at the end of the year, and next pay grade is GS-6, does it mean you will take a pay cut and start over at GS-6 step 1? or do you promote to GS-6 step 6 (52,424)? or are you able to jump pay grade say go from 5 to 7 but at step 2 (51,602)

2019 salary table for reference

https://www.opm.gov/poli...y-tables/pdf/2019/SF.pdf

Thanks


When you are in a career ladder system which is a system with automatic promotions like the Agricultural Specialist, you won't ever get to those step increases until you hit the ending GS level with is 12. Not all steps are equal either. The first three steps are achieved ever year. Then Steps 5-7 are every two years and then steps 8-10 are every three years but you won't have to worry about that until you are GS 12 because you will go up GS level every year until you hit 12.

In a career ladder position, if you start at GS 5, you will be GS 7 on your anniversary with agency, the next year after that you will be GS 9 and then you go to GS 11 the year after finally hitting GS 12 after 4 years with the agency. When you change GS level you do go back to step one but you won't ever get past step one until you are GS 12. Career ladders are determined by the agency. Many of them stop at GS 11 but we are some of the lucky ones to be able to get all the way to GS 12.

So, there is nothing to worry about when it comes to possible less pay unless you take a position outside the agency at a lower GS level. Unless you re-apply to Ag Specialist or Officer to force a transfer like some do and you have to take a lower GS level to take the position but even then there is pay protection that you would enter in at the same pay level. So in my class we had an Officer who jumped over to Ag and was a 12 coming down to a 9 but he had pay protection so he continued to get the pay level he was receiving at a 12. I think he went to GS 9 step 5.


Thank you for all the input. I am new to the whole system and start off at step 1.

If someone join as a GS-5 step 5, do they automatically becomes GS-7 step 5 the following year? or do they become GS-7 step 1, then GS-9 step 1, etc

or the steps are non-essential or not applicable until say you are at GS-12?

Thanks for all the information.


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Does anyone know how the pay system works? I read up on GS system, and there are steps in each grade.

I am confused, so if you are say GS-5 step 5 (45,691), your pay is equivalent or a bit lower than say GS-6 step 1 (44,937). If you successfully get promoted to GS-5 step 10 (52,411) at the end of the year, and next pay grade is GS-6, does it mean you will take a pay cut and start over at GS-6 step 1? or do you promote to GS-6 step 6 (52,424)? or are you able to jump pay grade say go from 5 to 7 but at step 2 (51,602)

2019 salary table for reference

https://www.opm.gov/poli...y-tables/pdf/2019/SF.pdf

Thanks


When you are in a career ladder system which is a system with automatic promotions like the Agricultural Specialist, you won't ever get to those step increases until you hit the ending GS level with is 12. Not all steps are equal either. The first three steps are achieved ever year. Then Steps 5-7 are every two years and then steps 8-10 are every three years but you won't have to worry about that until you are GS 12 because you will go up GS level every year until you hit 12.

In a career ladder position, if you start at GS 5, you will be GS 7 on your anniversary with agency, the next year after that you will be GS 9 and then you go to GS 11 the year after finally hitting GS 12 after 4 years with the agency. When you change GS level you do go back to step one but you won't ever get past step one until you are GS 12. Career ladders are determined by the agency. Many of them stop at GS 11 but we are some of the lucky ones to be able to get all the way to GS 12.

So, there is nothing to worry about when it comes to possible less pay unless you take a position outside the agency at a lower GS level. Unless you re-apply to Ag Specialist or Officer to force a transfer like some do and you have to take a lower GS level to take the position but even then there is pay protection that you would enter in at the same pay level. So in my class we had an Officer who jumped over to Ag and was a 12 coming down to a 9 but he had pay protection so he continued to get the pay level he was receiving at a 12. I think he went to GS 9 step 5.


Just one little correction there...
In my case, I was a GS12 step 7 Officer and I switched over to Ag Specialist. As a new aggie "trainee", I could only come in as a 5,7 or 9. So I came in as a GS-9 step 10. BUT, a GS-9 step 10 is still 30k less salary than I was making as a GS-12 step 7, so I took a big pay cut, (which I understood and was OK with). There was no requirement to pay me at the same rate because "ag specialist" is in a different job series (401) from the Officer series (1895) so the agency didn't have to match my pay, (no "pay protection"). I know this is something that probably 99.9% of new applicants don't need to be concerned about, but just wanted to give my unusual situation as an example.


Thank you, so taking a pay cut is a possibility for those who were at a high pay grade/scale prior to joining another agency and they don't exactly match pay despite the fact you have worked as former CBP Officer. You started as GS-9 step 10 ,so next year you will be GS-11 step 10? or will it be GS-10 step 10? or do you have to start over at GS-10/11 step 1?

Thank you, this whole pay system is confusing.
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Does anyone know how the pay system works? I read up on GS system, and there are steps in each grade.

I am confused, so if you are say GS-5 step 5 (45,691), your pay is equivalent or a bit lower than say GS-6 step 1 (44,937). If you successfully get promoted to GS-5 step 10 (52,411) at the end of the year, and next pay grade is GS-6, does it mean you will take a pay cut and start over at GS-6 step 1? or do you promote to GS-6 step 6 (52,424)? or are you able to jump pay grade say go from 5 to 7 but at step 2 (51,602)

2019 salary table for reference

https://www.opm.gov/poli...y-tables/pdf/2019/SF.pdf

Thanks


When you are in a career ladder system which is a system with automatic promotions like the Agricultural Specialist, you won't ever get to those step increases until you hit the ending GS level with is 12. Not all steps are equal either. The first three steps are achieved ever year. Then Steps 5-7 are every two years and then steps 8-10 are every three years but you won't have to worry about that until you are GS 12 because you will go up GS level every year until you hit 12.

In a career ladder position, if you start at GS 5, you will be GS 7 on your anniversary with agency, the next year after that you will be GS 9 and then you go to GS 11 the year after finally hitting GS 12 after 4 years with the agency. When you change GS level you do go back to step one but you won't ever get past step one until you are GS 12. Career ladders are determined by the agency. Many of them stop at GS 11 but we are some of the lucky ones to be able to get all the way to GS 12.

So, there is nothing to worry about when it comes to possible less pay unless you take a position outside the agency at a lower GS level. Unless you re-apply to Ag Specialist or Officer to force a transfer like some do and you have to take a lower GS level to take the position but even then there is pay protection that you would enter in at the same pay level. So in my class we had an Officer who jumped over to Ag and was a 12 coming down to a 9 but he had pay protection so he continued to get the pay level he was receiving at a 12. I think he went to GS 9 step 5.


Just one little correction there...
In my case, I was a GS12 step 7 Officer and I switched over to Ag Specialist. As a new aggie "trainee", I could only come in as a 5,7 or 9. So I came in as a GS-9 step 10. BUT, a GS-9 step 10 is still 30k less salary than I was making as a GS-12 step 7, so I took a big pay cut, (which I understood and was OK with). There was no requirement to pay me at the same rate because "ag specialist" is in a different job series (401) from the Officer series (1895) so the agency didn't have to match my pay, (no "pay protection"). I know this is something that probably 99.9% of new applicants don't need to be concerned about, but just wanted to give my unusual situation as an example.


Thank you, so taking a pay cut is a possibility for those who were at a high pay grade/scale prior to joining another agency and they don't exactly match pay despite the fact you have worked as former CBP Officer. You started as GS-9 step 10 ,so next year you will be GS-11 step 10? or will it be GS-10 step 10? or do you have to start over at GS-10/11 step 1?

Thank you, this whole pay system is confusing.

It is confusing... even for those of us who have been in the system a long time, so no worries.
The job series pay increases for us go from 5 to 7 to 9 to 11 to 12, (no 6,8, or 10). If you are jumping to a new higher pay grade, you can't be paid less than you were paid in the lower grade, and have to be paid at least one step increase equivalent more than what you were making at that lower grade. So in my unusual example, I would go from a GS-9 step 10, to a GS-11 step 5. If you look at the GS pay scale chart, it will make more sense. Hope that helps.
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