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smashes2002  
#1 Posted : Monday, February 13, 2017 11:50:48 AM(UTC)

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I am currently a GS-13 1102 and plan on leaving federal service later this year. I would like opinions (or sourced information) as to which method of leaving would be better for me in the long run, should I return to federal service in the future.

Option 1: quitting. I don't have a problem with this and have in fact quit in the past, it was quite easy to get the same job again; 1102s are rarely NOT in demand. I don't take it for granted though, I felt very resigned to return to federal service before, but also understood my fortune in it and was grateful; I realize that quitting twice would look very bad.

Option 2: Become ineligible to work by having my security clearance revoked. I am a dual-citizen with a TS/SCI, and could get my foreign passport to present to security and thereby have my clearance revoked. Aside from an awkward conversation and escorting off premises, this would result in difficulty getting a job in a class'd environment again, but I don't know how negatively it would look were I to apply to a non-class'd one.

I also don't know if option 2 would legally fall under being "fired" or being "let go" ..anyone know?

My friends think having my clearance revoked would look better, that if I did ever return I could get another clearance if I surrendered my passport; what do you all think? To be clear: I do not -plan- to return to federal service or ever work in a contracts (1102) spectrum again, but I also don't want to burn all my bridges just in case.
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#2 Posted : Monday, February 13, 2017 12:15:12 PM(UTC)
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Option 2: Become ineligible to work by having my security clearance revoked. I am a dual-citizen with a TS/SCI, and could get my foreign passport to present to security and thereby have my clearance revoked. Aside from an awkward conversation and escorting off premises, this would result in difficulty getting a job in a class'd environment again, but I don't know how negatively it would look were I to apply to a non-class'd one.

Not a good idea. You shouldn't even consider this option.
If you go out a seek a foreign passport from a citizenship you acquired by birth, you will definitely lose the clearance, but probably will never get SCI access again.


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My friends think having my clearance revoked would look better, that if I did ever return I could get another clearance if I surrendered my passport; what do you all think? To be clear: I do not -plan- to return to federal service or ever work in a contracts (1102) spectrum again, but I also don't want to burn all my bridges just in case.

Your friends must have never had a clearance or had one revoked because no one with a clearance would ever say that.
You will definitely be burning any sort of cleared bridge.
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#3 Posted : Monday, February 13, 2017 12:37:13 PM(UTC)

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Option 2: Become ineligible to work by having my security clearance revoked. I am a dual-citizen with a TS/SCI, and could get my foreign passport to present to security and thereby have my clearance revoked. Aside from an awkward conversation and escorting off premises, this would result in difficulty getting a job in a class'd environment again, but I don't know how negatively it would look were I to apply to a non-class'd one.

Not a good idea. You shouldn't even consider this option.
If you go out a seek a foreign passport from a citizenship you acquired by birth, you will definitely lose the clearance, but probably will never get SCI access again.


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My friends think having my clearance revoked would look better, that if I did ever return I could get another clearance if I surrendered my passport; what do you all think? To be clear: I do not -plan- to return to federal service or ever work in a contracts (1102) spectrum again, but I also don't want to burn all my bridges just in case.

Your friends must have never had a clearance or had one revoked because no one with a clearance would ever say that.
You will definitely be burning any sort of cleared bridge.


Thanks for your reply, I didn't know any history of having a passport (say even if I surrender it) would disqualify one from SCI. I do plan on getting my passport, a drivers license, and probably buying land there after I leave, regardless. Like I said, I don't -plan- on returning to federal service- if I do, it would most likely be in an entirely different atmosphere.

So you think, if I returned to federal service, say in an Unclass'd position with the Bureau of Indian Affairs or something, it would look better to have quit my previous federal job twice, than it would to have a clearance revoked? (see, I'm not even sure if a non-class'd position would even check into clearance history?)

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frankgonzalez  
#4 Posted : Monday, February 13, 2017 12:47:27 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: smashes2002 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: leges Go to Quoted Post
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Option 2: Become ineligible to work by having my security clearance revoked. I am a dual-citizen with a TS/SCI, and could get my foreign passport to present to security and thereby have my clearance revoked. Aside from an awkward conversation and escorting off premises, this would result in difficulty getting a job in a class'd environment again, but I don't know how negatively it would look were I to apply to a non-class'd one.

Not a good idea. You shouldn't even consider this option.
If you go out a seek a foreign passport from a citizenship you acquired by birth, you will definitely lose the clearance, but probably will never get SCI access again.


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My friends think having my clearance revoked would look better, that if I did ever return I could get another clearance if I surrendered my passport; what do you all think? To be clear: I do not -plan- to return to federal service or ever work in a contracts (1102) spectrum again, but I also don't want to burn all my bridges just in case.

Your friends must have never had a clearance or had one revoked because no one with a clearance would ever say that.
You will definitely be burning any sort of cleared bridge.


Thanks for your reply, I didn't know any history of having a passport (say even if I surrender it) would disqualify one from SCI. I do plan on getting my passport, a drivers license, and probably buying land there after I leave, regardless. Like I said, I don't -plan- on returning to federal service- if I do, it would most likely be in an entirely different atmosphere.

So you think, if I returned to federal service, say in an Unclass'd position with the Bureau of Indian Affairs or something, it would look better to have quit my previous federal job twice, than it would to have a clearance revoked? (see, I'm not even sure if a non-class'd position would even check into clearance history?)
Yes...resignation ALWAYS looks better than having a clearance revoked (especially in the manner you describe!). People quit all the time. Life happens and they pursue other options or dreams.

Clearances are not revoked on a whim. And the subsequent actions would be termination for failure to maintain a required condition of employment.

You should have voted Cthulu...the greatest of all Evils
thanks 1 user thanked frankgonzalez for this useful post.
smashes2002 on 2/13/2017(UTC)
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#5 Posted : Monday, February 13, 2017 1:08:23 PM(UTC)

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Option 2: Become ineligible to work by having my security clearance revoked. I am a dual-citizen with a TS/SCI, and could get my foreign passport to present to security and thereby have my clearance revoked. Aside from an awkward conversation and escorting off premises, this would result in difficulty getting a job in a class'd environment again, but I don't know how negatively it would look were I to apply to a non-class'd one.

Not a good idea. You shouldn't even consider this option.
If you go out a seek a foreign passport from a citizenship you acquired by birth, you will definitely lose the clearance, but probably will never get SCI access again.


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My friends think having my clearance revoked would look better, that if I did ever return I could get another clearance if I surrendered my passport; what do you all think? To be clear: I do not -plan- to return to federal service or ever work in a contracts (1102) spectrum again, but I also don't want to burn all my bridges just in case.

Your friends must have never had a clearance or had one revoked because no one with a clearance would ever say that.
You will definitely be burning any sort of cleared bridge.


Thanks for your reply, I didn't know any history of having a passport (say even if I surrender it) would disqualify one from SCI. I do plan on getting my passport, a drivers license, and probably buying land there after I leave, regardless. Like I said, I don't -plan- on returning to federal service- if I do, it would most likely be in an entirely different atmosphere.

So you think, if I returned to federal service, say in an Unclass'd position with the Bureau of Indian Affairs or something, it would look better to have quit my previous federal job twice, than it would to have a clearance revoked? (see, I'm not even sure if a non-class'd position would even check into clearance history?)
Yes...resignation ALWAYS looks better than having a clearance revoked (especially in the manner you describe!). People quit all the time. Life happens and they pursue other options or dreams.

Clearances are not revoked on a whim. And the subsequent actions would be termination for failure to maintain a required condition of employment.



Excellent, thank you- so it sounds like I will resign and stick with pursuing those items after I leave. I feel like having it revoked would be less stressful in the immediate- but since I've never met someone who's gone through that I couldn't say it wouldn't be just as stressful, or have unforeseen consequences.
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