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CarChris12  
#1 Posted : Sunday, February 19, 2017 2:53:29 AM(UTC)
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There's a cca that put a hold on a route for the regulars vacation now the regular let the management know that he's not coming back because he going out on sick leave I want to put a hold on the route indefinitely but they been telling me since this cca is on it he has the right to hold the route for the time that the regular is going to be out Im the senior cca
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#2 Posted : Sunday, February 19, 2017 5:07:17 AM(UTC)
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You are SOL the other CCA's opt does not end until the regular returns.
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#3 Posted : Sunday, February 19, 2017 6:29:57 AM(UTC)
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what's SOL? and the 5 day break in service is coming I think in march or april can I put a hold on the route till the regular come back cause the rumors are that he's going to retire and problably this cca is going to stay in the route for at leat 1 year and I going to end up doing the aux route :(
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#4 Posted : Sunday, February 19, 2017 7:27:37 AM(UTC)
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never mind about SOL jajaja
Malcolm1  
#5 Posted : Sunday, February 19, 2017 7:28:16 AM(UTC)
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SOL = Sh!t Out of Luck.

A CCA's break in service doesn't terminate an opt. After he completes the five days he will resume the opt and continue until the regular carrier returns, retires or bids onto another route. Should the opting CCA be converted to career in the interim he will continue the opt and can only lose it via the aforementioned conditions or if he chooses to bid onto another route.

However, once the CCA goes on his 5-day break, it can create an opt but only for the duration of the break.
CarChris12  
#6 Posted : Sunday, February 19, 2017 8:11:34 AM(UTC)
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where I can find this information in the contract
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#7 Posted : Sunday, February 19, 2017 9:06:32 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: CarChris12 Go to Quoted Post
where I can find this information in the contract


JCAM page 41-13

69. Will the 5-day break in service between 360-day terms end an opt (holddown)?
No.

70. Does the 5-day break at the end of a 360-day appointment create another opt
(hold-down) opportunity?
Only where the break creates a vacancy of five work days. In such case the opt is for
the five day period of the break.
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#8 Posted : Sunday, February 19, 2017 10:04:03 AM(UTC)
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SO SENIORITY MEAN NOTHING FOR A CCA?? JUST WHEN YOU GOING TO BE A REGULAR? CAUSE HE'S BEEN WITH US FOR LIKE 4 MONTH... WELL I GUESS IM A SOL
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#9 Posted : Sunday, February 19, 2017 10:11:18 AM(UTC)
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It would mean something if you put in for the hold down on the same day, but no, it doesn't mean you can knock him off. He got lucky.
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#10 Posted : Sunday, February 19, 2017 10:21:14 AM(UTC)
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!
Malcolm1  
#11 Posted : Sunday, February 19, 2017 10:37:54 AM(UTC)
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The term seniority isn't used when referring to a CCA's length of service. Rather, it's relative standing.

And yes, relative standing absolutely means something to a CCA. Conversion to career in made in order of relative standing. As mentioned, opting on open routes is by relative standing as is temporary reassignment outside the employing installation.

Might seem like much to you right now but it'll mean a whole lot to the guy who has your coveted opt when you make regular and he doesn't.
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#12 Posted : Monday, February 20, 2017 4:24:13 AM(UTC)
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thank you very much
colty31  
#13 Posted : Monday, February 20, 2017 1:39:55 PM(UTC)
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if this is such a good route, why didn't you bid on it for the original vacation break?
CarChris12  
#14 Posted : Sunday, March 19, 2017 9:40:06 AM(UTC)
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Colty31:
I didn't put a bid on it cause I ask for a couple of day off that same week and I didn't know what I know now
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#15 Posted : Sunday, March 19, 2017 6:18:45 PM(UTC)
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Colty31:
I didn't put a bid on it cause I ask for a couple of day off that same week and I didn't know what I know now


You still could have put in for a hold down, vacation days do not terminate or disqualify you from a hold down. get more involved with your union and go to meetings, education is your best weapon. Now this junior CCA is going to be living sweet for at least a year.
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#16 Posted : Sunday, March 19, 2017 10:11:27 PM(UTC)
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Colty31:
I didn't put a bid on it cause I ask for a couple of day off that same week and I didn't know what I know now


You still could have put in for a hold down, vacation days do not terminate or disqualify you from a hold down. get more involved with your union and go to meetings, education is your best weapon. Now this junior CCA is going to be living sweet for at least a year.
if the original hold down was only going to be for the duration of the vacation, and the vacation was only going to be for one week (five days), i believe the CCA would have to be available all five days to be given the opt at the time of the opt sheet being posted, right? maybe that's just a local thing, but a CCA can't take an opt around here if he isn't going to work at least five of the days, and they'll pass you over for someone junior to your relative standing if they will be available.

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#17 Posted : Monday, March 20, 2017 3:39:01 AM(UTC)
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Colty31:
I didn't put a bid on it cause I ask for a couple of day off that same week and I didn't know what I know now


You still could have put in for a hold down, vacation days do not terminate or disqualify you from a hold down. get more involved with your union and go to meetings, education is your best weapon. Now this junior CCA is going to be living sweet for at least a year.
if the original hold down was only going to be for the duration of the vacation, and the vacation was only going to be for one week (five days), i believe the CCA would have to be available all five days to be given the opt at the time of the opt sheet being posted, right? maybe that's just a local thing, but a CCA can't take an opt around here if he isn't going to work at least five of the days, and they'll pass you over for someone junior to your relative standing if they will be available.



Its would not disqualify you. You are opting on the route being vacated for at least 5 days, not your availability.
Go to your meetings and get involved.

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#18 Posted : Monday, March 20, 2017 1:56:12 PM(UTC)
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Hey, like I said, it might be a local thing... Our steward will grieve a manager breathing the wrong way, but he has never grieved for a CCA who was passed over for unavailability at the beginning of an opt. He had told us they had arranged for that to be the case with management. Hell, maybe it's not even written locally and it's literally just our office. Which might even make sense because, for a long time, our management did nothing about our #1 cca as he missed something like ~100 days over a seven month stretch, but kept taking opts anyway.
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#19 Posted : Thursday, March 30, 2017 10:14:21 AM(UTC)
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I have AUX route and today he asked me if I need help to call him because he's not going to have an 8 hrs day HE SUPPOSED TO HAVE AN 8 HRS DAY?
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#20 Posted : Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:07:41 PM(UTC)
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I have AUX route and today he asked me if I need help to call him because he's not going to have an 8 hrs day HE SUPPOSED TO HAVE AN 8 HRS DAY?


Who?

Opt doesn't guarantee you an 8 hour day if you are a cca.
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