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LeroyToliver  
#1 Posted : Saturday, August 12, 2017 4:37:19 PM(UTC)
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While the contract is a slight improvement over the last it completely failed to recognize the rise in carrier injuries year after year as the workload is ever increased. With carriers movements now tracked down to every sixty seconds while they are on street duty and then being grilled at the end of the day as to why they stopped to catch their breath and told they need to add extra deliveries to their ever increasing route as 'pivot' how is the union not seeing the writing on the wall? This is why ALL NALC reps should be required to carry mail at least one week out of every month in order to stay within the craft. The real question now is will they give themselves an equal raise to that of the men and women being worked into disabilities or keep those six figure salaries increasing by much more?
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#2 Posted : Saturday, August 12, 2017 5:19:08 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: LeroyToliver Go to Quoted Post
While the contract is a slight improvement over the last it completely failed to recognize the rise in carrier injuries year after year as the workload is ever increased. With carriers movements now tracked down to every sixty seconds while they are on street duty and then being grilled at the end of the day as to why they stopped to catch their breath and told they need to add extra deliveries to their ever increasing route as 'pivot' how is the union not seeing the writing on the wall? This is why ALL NALC reps should be required to carry mail at least one week out of every month in order to stay within the craft. The real question now is will they give themselves an equal raise to that of the men and women being worked into disabilities or keep those six figure salaries increasing by much more?


Raise ?

What raise ?

Not with the increase

in health premiums.

<g>
Question authority.
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#3 Posted : Sunday, August 13, 2017 9:14:13 AM(UTC)
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You are spot on with that one, letter carriers have not seen a real raise in pay the past three contracts. The minuscule increase in pay has gone hand in hand with the rise in carriers share of health care, while cost of living continues to rise, what a scam.
The most important thing here is carriers suffering the consequences of unrealistic decades long work loads on the human body and the USPS being allowed to side step their obligations to those carriers that fall along the way. You have carriers waiting as long as 18 months before they even see their 45 day 'cop' the entire workers comp system is designed to drive injured letter carriers into bankruptcy. The NALC fully knows and allows this practice and to make matters much worse continues to remain frozen while managements finds even more ways to increase carrier workloads.

If you are a carrier you need to slow down, if you are asked to pivot you need to do one of two things either bring it back because your new limb saving pace does not allow for it or take three times as long to do that pivot as would have taken someone offered overtime. Your scanner sends a ping to your immediate supervisor who watches you all day long requesting 'mail samples' (yes thats your supervisor) every sixty seconds, every one minute on your exact location.

You need to rest your body after every block and stop catering to their heavy cart, heavy shoulder bag loop setup because it is slowly destroying your body. Your spine and shoulders weren't designed to carry even slightly heavy weight on one shoulder for 5-6 hours a day and your spines base was not designed to hold on while you push an overloaded cart down the street for 5-6 hours a day, As far as your knees go use logic, how much is someone your height supposed to weigh? Thats what your skeleton can tolerate, now are you carrying an extra 20+ lbs in body weight and adding a shoulder bag with another 20+ lbs to that? What does logic tell you will happen to your spine over the course of decades?

Slow down and decrease the weight you carry, do half or thirds of a block at a time if you have to. If management tells you anything you respond with explaining what your back, neck, shoulders or knees are feeling. Our contract at the very least protects us from having to follow any unsafe instruction, listen to your bodies and be safe. I promise you the Post Office WILL NOT be there to catch you when your body finally gives out and you will have a miserable fight ahead of you once injured.

Google NRP national reassessment process which failed miserably a few years ago and now theres talk of another 'improved' nap heading your way.
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#4 Posted : Sunday, August 13, 2017 10:01:36 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: LeroyToliver Go to Quoted Post
You are spot on with that one, letter carriers have not seen a real raise in pay the past three contracts. The minuscule increase in pay has gone hand in hand with the rise in carriers share of health care, while cost of living continues to rise, what a scam.
The most important thing here is carriers suffering the consequences of unrealistic decades long work loads on the human body and the USPS being allowed to side step their obligations to those carriers that fall along the way. You have carriers waiting as long as 18 months before they even see their 45 day 'cop' the entire workers comp system is designed to drive injured letter carriers into bankruptcy. The NALC fully knows and allows this practice and to make matters much worse continues to remain frozen while managements finds even more ways to increase carrier workloads.

If you are a carrier you need to slow down, if you are asked to pivot you need to do one of two things either bring it back because your new limb saving pace does not allow for it or take three times as long to do that pivot as would have taken someone offered overtime. Your scanner sends a ping to your immediate supervisor who watches you all day long requesting 'mail samples' (yes thats your supervisor) every sixty seconds, every one minute on your exact location.

You need to rest your body after every block and stop catering to their heavy cart, heavy shoulder bag loop setup because it is slowly destroying your body. Your spine and shoulders weren't designed to carry even slightly heavy weight on one shoulder for 5-6 hours a day and your spines base was not designed to hold on while you push an overloaded cart down the street for 5-6 hours a day, As far as your knees go use logic, how much is someone your height supposed to weigh? Thats what your skeleton can tolerate, now are you carrying an extra 20+ lbs in body weight and adding a shoulder bag with another 20+ lbs to that? What does logic tell you will happen to your spine over the course of decades?

Slow down and decrease the weight you carry, do half or thirds of a block at a time if you have to. If management tells you anything you respond with explaining what your back, neck, shoulders or knees are feeling. Our contract at the very least protects us from having to follow any unsafe instruction, listen to your bodies and be safe. I promise you the Post Office WILL NOT be there to catch you when your body finally gives out and you will have a miserable fight ahead of you once injured.

Google NRP national reassessment process which failed miserably a few years ago and now theres talk of another 'improved' nap heading your way.


If you have a route that the relays have been lengthened, fill out 1767's. Everyone in the office needs to do this.

You can slow down, but the excess weight will still destroy your body.

Your body also needs the 3 minutes between relays to rest.

You need to be drinking water every 15-20 minutes to stay hydrated. You can't do that if you are walking for 45-60 minutes.

I know of a zip code that is having all the routes line of travel changed. District OPS came in and reduced the number of relays in half. Now they are going back to the way they were. Local management was in agreement with the carriers. But OPS over ruled the line of travel changes they sent up. Enough carriers filled out 1767's to get the District Managers attention.

Sometimes to get management to do their job, you have to bury them in paperwork.
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#5 Posted : Sunday, August 13, 2017 1:32:06 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: roger.d Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: LeroyToliver Go to Quoted Post
You are spot on with that one, letter carriers have not seen a real raise in pay the past three contracts. The minuscule increase in pay has gone hand in hand with the rise in carriers share of health care, while cost of living continues to rise, what a scam.
The most important thing here is carriers suffering the consequences of unrealistic decades long work loads on the human body and the USPS being allowed to side step their obligations to those carriers that fall along the way. You have carriers waiting as long as 18 months before they even see their 45 day 'cop' the entire workers comp system is designed to drive injured letter carriers into bankruptcy. The NALC fully knows and allows this practice and to make matters much worse continues to remain frozen while managements finds even more ways to increase carrier workloads.

If you are a carrier you need to slow down, if you are asked to pivot you need to do one of two things either bring it back because your new limb saving pace does not allow for it or take three times as long to do that pivot as would have taken someone offered overtime. Your scanner sends a ping to your immediate supervisor who watches you all day long requesting 'mail samples' (yes thats your supervisor) every sixty seconds, every one minute on your exact location.

You need to rest your body after every block and stop catering to their heavy cart, heavy shoulder bag loop setup because it is slowly destroying your body. Your spine and shoulders weren't designed to carry even slightly heavy weight on one shoulder for 5-6 hours a day and your spines base was not designed to hold on while you push an overloaded cart down the street for 5-6 hours a day, As far as your knees go use logic, how much is someone your height supposed to weigh? Thats what your skeleton can tolerate, now are you carrying an extra 20+ lbs in body weight and adding a shoulder bag with another 20+ lbs to that? What does logic tell you will happen to your spine over the course of decades?

Slow down and decrease the weight you carry, do half or thirds of a block at a time if you have to. If management tells you anything you respond with explaining what your back, neck, shoulders or knees are feeling. Our contract at the very least protects us from having to follow any unsafe instruction, listen to your bodies and be safe. I promise you the Post Office WILL NOT be there to catch you when your body finally gives out and you will have a miserable fight ahead of you once injured.

Google NRP national reassessment process which failed miserably a few years ago and now theres talk of another 'improved' nap heading your way.


If you have a route that the relays have been lengthened, fill out 1767's. Everyone in the office needs to do this.

You can slow down, but the excess weight will still destroy your body.

Your body also needs the 3 minutes between relays to rest.

You need to be drinking water every 15-20 minutes to stay hydrated. You can't do that if you are walking for 45-60 minutes.

I know of a zip code that is having all the routes line of travel changed. District OPS came in and reduced the number of relays in half. Now they are going back to the way they were. Local management was in agreement with the carriers. But OPS over ruled the line of travel changes they sent up. Enough carriers filled out 1767's to get the District Managers attention.

Sometimes to get management to do their job, you have to bury them in paperwork.


So are you saying that ZIP code went through COR and basically had it undone?
roger.d  
#6 Posted : Sunday, August 13, 2017 2:03:33 PM(UTC)
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You are spot on with that one, letter carriers have not seen a real raise in pay the past three contracts. The minuscule increase in pay has gone hand in hand with the rise in carriers share of health care, while cost of living continues to rise, what a scam.
The most important thing here is carriers suffering the consequences of unrealistic decades long work loads on the human body and the USPS being allowed to side step their obligations to those carriers that fall along the way. You have carriers waiting as long as 18 months before they even see their 45 day 'cop' the entire workers comp system is designed to drive injured letter carriers into bankruptcy. The NALC fully knows and allows this practice and to make matters much worse continues to remain frozen while managements finds even more ways to increase carrier workloads.

If you are a carrier you need to slow down, if you are asked to pivot you need to do one of two things either bring it back because your new limb saving pace does not allow for it or take three times as long to do that pivot as would have taken someone offered overtime. Your scanner sends a ping to your immediate supervisor who watches you all day long requesting 'mail samples' (yes thats your supervisor) every sixty seconds, every one minute on your exact location.

You need to rest your body after every block and stop catering to their heavy cart, heavy shoulder bag loop setup because it is slowly destroying your body. Your spine and shoulders weren't designed to carry even slightly heavy weight on one shoulder for 5-6 hours a day and your spines base was not designed to hold on while you push an overloaded cart down the street for 5-6 hours a day, As far as your knees go use logic, how much is someone your height supposed to weigh? Thats what your skeleton can tolerate, now are you carrying an extra 20+ lbs in body weight and adding a shoulder bag with another 20+ lbs to that? What does logic tell you will happen to your spine over the course of decades?

Slow down and decrease the weight you carry, do half or thirds of a block at a time if you have to. If management tells you anything you respond with explaining what your back, neck, shoulders or knees are feeling. Our contract at the very least protects us from having to follow any unsafe instruction, listen to your bodies and be safe. I promise you the Post Office WILL NOT be there to catch you when your body finally gives out and you will have a miserable fight ahead of you once injured.

Google NRP national reassessment process which failed miserably a few years ago and now theres talk of another 'improved' nap heading your way.


If you have a route that the relays have been lengthened, fill out 1767's. Everyone in the office needs to do this.

You can slow down, but the excess weight will still destroy your body.

Your body also needs the 3 minutes between relays to rest.

You need to be drinking water every 15-20 minutes to stay hydrated. You can't do that if you are walking for 45-60 minutes.

I know of a zip code that is having all the routes line of travel changed. District OPS came in and reduced the number of relays in half. Now they are going back to the way they were. Local management was in agreement with the carriers. But OPS over ruled the line of travel changes they sent up. Enough carriers filled out 1767's to get the District Managers attention.

Sometimes to get management to do their job, you have to bury them in paperwork.


So are you saying that ZIP code went through COR and basically had it undone?


No. Territory is staying the same, unless the carrier can demonstrate that the route is no longer an 8hr day.

Lines of travel are being adjusted to make them reasonable. Reasonable for weather (heat/cold), carrier health and efficiency.


JasonDeAndre  
#7 Posted : Sunday, August 13, 2017 2:18:17 PM(UTC)
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You are spot on with that one, letter carriers have not seen a real raise in pay the past three contracts. The minuscule increase in pay has gone hand in hand with the rise in carriers share of health care, while cost of living continues to rise, what a scam.
The most important thing here is carriers suffering the consequences of unrealistic decades long work loads on the human body and the USPS being allowed to side step their obligations to those carriers that fall along the way. You have carriers waiting as long as 18 months before they even see their 45 day 'cop' the entire workers comp system is designed to drive injured letter carriers into bankruptcy. The NALC fully knows and allows this practice and to make matters much worse continues to remain frozen while managements finds even more ways to increase carrier workloads.

If you are a carrier you need to slow down, if you are asked to pivot you need to do one of two things either bring it back because your new limb saving pace does not allow for it or take three times as long to do that pivot as would have taken someone offered overtime. Your scanner sends a ping to your immediate supervisor who watches you all day long requesting 'mail samples' (yes thats your supervisor) every sixty seconds, every one minute on your exact location.

You need to rest your body after every block and stop catering to their heavy cart, heavy shoulder bag loop setup because it is slowly destroying your body. Your spine and shoulders weren't designed to carry even slightly heavy weight on one shoulder for 5-6 hours a day and your spines base was not designed to hold on while you push an overloaded cart down the street for 5-6 hours a day, As far as your knees go use logic, how much is someone your height supposed to weigh? Thats what your skeleton can tolerate, now are you carrying an extra 20+ lbs in body weight and adding a shoulder bag with another 20+ lbs to that? What does logic tell you will happen to your spine over the course of decades?

Slow down and decrease the weight you carry, do half or thirds of a block at a time if you have to. If management tells you anything you respond with explaining what your back, neck, shoulders or knees are feeling. Our contract at the very least protects us from having to follow any unsafe instruction, listen to your bodies and be safe. I promise you the Post Office WILL NOT be there to catch you when your body finally gives out and you will have a miserable fight ahead of you once injured.

Google NRP national reassessment process which failed miserably a few years ago and now theres talk of another 'improved' nap heading your way.


If you have a route that the relays have been lengthened, fill out 1767's. Everyone in the office needs to do this.

You can slow down, but the excess weight will still destroy your body.

Your body also needs the 3 minutes between relays to rest.

You need to be drinking water every 15-20 minutes to stay hydrated. You can't do that if you are walking for 45-60 minutes.

I know of a zip code that is having all the routes line of travel changed. District OPS came in and reduced the number of relays in half. Now they are going back to the way they were. Local management was in agreement with the carriers. But OPS over ruled the line of travel changes they sent up. Enough carriers filled out 1767's to get the District Managers attention.

Sometimes to get management to do their job, you have to bury them in paperwork.


So are you saying that ZIP code went through COR and basically had it undone?


No. Territory is staying the same, unless the carrier can demonstrate that the route is no longer an 8hr day.

Lines of travel are being adjusted to make them reasonable. Reasonable for weather (heat/cold), carrier health and efficiency.




Gotcha. Has anyone ever heard of COR being undone?
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#8 Posted : Monday, August 14, 2017 7:02:30 AM(UTC)
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What is the supposed "improved" nap. I have been through the nrp. What new torture are they cooking up?
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#9 Posted : Thursday, August 17, 2017 7:09:37 PM(UTC)
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sorry for late response there is link provided in this string of chat it should be a few places in. The whole thread is a reminder that at the end of the day the union will do what is good for the union, not the member. Read some of the testimonies as well as the link article
https://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/gDC2EdHJvaLm3
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#10 Posted : Friday, August 18, 2017 3:13:21 AM(UTC)
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I did not see a link in the prior posts about "nap", only a suggestion to Google nrp. I am sadly all too famikiar with the nrp and the union only looking out for itself. Think to pen in your post tells some of my story.
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#11 Posted : Friday, August 18, 2017 12:54:23 PM(UTC)
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sorry for late response there is link provided in this string of chat it should be a few places in. The whole thread is a reminder that at the end of the day the union will do what is good for the union, not the member. Read some of the testimonies as well as the link article
quicktopic.com/44/H/gDC2EdHJvaLm3


the link to that site the posters there know less then the posters here.

those posters come here for better info.

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sorry for late response there is link provided in this string of chat it should be a few places in. The whole thread is a reminder that at the end of the day the union will do what is good for the union, not the member. Read some of the testimonies as well as the link article
quicktopic.com/44/H/gDC2EdHJvaLm3


the link to that site the posters there know less then the posters here.

those posters come here for better info.


This site is not
bad, but the NALC pages on Facebook are the most knowledgeable by far.
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#13 Posted : Sunday, August 20, 2017 5:43:41 AM(UTC)
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sorry for late response there is link provided in this string of chat it should be a few places in. The whole thread is a reminder that at the end of the day the union will do what is good for the union, not the member. Read some of the testimonies as well as the link article
quicktopic.com/44/H/gDC2EdHJvaLm3


the link to that site the posters there know less then the posters here.

those posters come here for better info.


This site is not
bad, but the NALC pages on Facebook are the most knowledgeable by far.


true but that is a private site.
similar to 21cpw.com
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#14 Posted : Thursday, August 24, 2017 11:15:47 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: oldboy Go to Quoted Post
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Originally Posted by: LeroyToliver Go to Quoted Post
sorry for late response there is link provided in this string of chat it should be a few places in. The whole thread is a reminder that at the end of the day the union will do what is good for the union, not the member. Read some of the testimonies as well as the link article
quicktopic.com/44/H/gDC2EdHJvaLm3


the link to that site the posters there know less then the posters here.

those posters come here for better info.


This site is not
bad, but the NALC pages on Facebook are the most knowledgeable by far.


true but that is a private site.
similar to 21cpw.com



are you getting a kickback from Federal Soup? Anywhere additional information is to be found is as good a site as this one. Not all Postal Workers know about this Federal Forum site and some folks here don't know about all the alternatives to this site for Postal workers.
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are you getting a kickback from Federal Soup? Anywhere additional information is to be found is as good a site as this one. Not all Postal Workers know about this Federal Forum site and some folks here don't know about all the alternatives to this site for Postal workers.


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