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Whatever1  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, February 7, 2018 10:17:14 AM(UTC)
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Greetings,
Does anyone know at what point in the DIA hiring process can/should you negotiate your starting salary?
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, February 7, 2018 6:34:42 PM(UTC)
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Greetings,
Does anyone know at what point in the DIA hiring process can/should you negotiate your starting salary?


Honestly, I wouldn't negotiate the salary, specially if you are brand new. That's just me, now if you can do it and get away with it, then good luck.

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#3 Posted : Thursday, February 8, 2018 2:37:10 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NewlyFed Go to Quoted Post
Greetings,
Does anyone know at what point in the DIA hiring process can/should you negotiate your starting salary?

I guess the best time to bring it up is when you first get a conditional job offer (CJO). At least you can find out right away if they are willing to bump up the offer before you go into the long processing period.

Also I don't know if accepting/signing the CJO removes your ability to negotiate.
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#4 Posted : Thursday, February 8, 2018 6:39:27 AM(UTC)
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Here's a little info for you

My CJO was at GG9 step 3. After I was cleared and before receiving my FJO, a hiring manager asked for copies of my college transcripts (undergraduate and graduate transcripts), and an updated resume. They told me they would likely make a salary adjustment.

I went up to a GG10 step 3.

I think if you want to negotiate, do it right before you sign your FJO. Send them some documentation and say you think you deserve more.
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#5 Posted : Thursday, February 8, 2018 7:13:51 AM(UTC)
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Damn I wish I negotiated up a grade. No biggie though. I plan on working in IC for rest of my career and am 26. It's just a year wait until moving up. A drop in the bucket all things considered.
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#6 Posted : Thursday, February 8, 2018 4:38:25 PM(UTC)
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Does anyone know at what point in the DIA hiring process can/should you negotiate your starting salary?

Forward hate mail to HR until they present you with a FJO for GG-10.

Anything under GG-10 is a waste of time, just to save them a little money.

Honestly, I wouldn't negotiate the salary, specially if you are brand new.

That's just me, now if you can do it and get away with it, then good luck.

This is closely associated with the "decline a FJO, get kicked out of the hiring pool" rumor.

Based on the people I've met, who were hired years ago... DIA has always used this fear tactic.

Well, we know that between 2016 and now... candidates have declined FJOs and did NOT get kicked out.

We also know that between 2016 and now... candidates have successfully negotiated pay-grade increases.

So... what can we conclude from this? What does this all mean?! WHAT SHOULD WE DO?!

"Fight the Power! FIGHT THE POWER!" - Public Enemy (1990)



LMAO. I'm not against asking for a raise, but I much rather negotiate PCS expenses rather than pay.
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#7 Posted : Thursday, May 3, 2018 9:07:50 AM(UTC)
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Anyone have any experience with recruitment incentives? I got offered one, but have to make a formal justification. Is there a sort of standard acceptable range to ask for?
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#8 Posted : Thursday, May 3, 2018 1:03:09 PM(UTC)
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I've heard 10% so ask for 20 :)
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#9 Posted : Monday, May 7, 2018 3:39:32 PM(UTC)
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How did the negotiations go?
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, June 6, 2018 8:24:51 AM(UTC)
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How did the negotiations go?



Ended up getting everything I asked for....
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, June 6, 2018 8:31:51 AM(UTC)
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How did the negotiations go?



Ended up getting everything I asked for....



Winner winner chicken dinner.
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, June 6, 2018 9:11:40 AM(UTC)
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How did the negotiations go?



Ended up getting everything I asked for....



Winner winner chicken dinner.


Here’s my two cents, if you will....ask for what you want, the worst they can tell you is “no”. They won’t pull your offer or turn you into a pillar of salt nor banish you to some far off land. My first attempt at negotiating salary was actually declined and I was presented with a “final offer”....I then revisited the subject with a new HR rep and ended up getting approved for a higher grade. In addition to more money, I also received additional PTO and a relo bonus (which I think is fairly common). Long story short, closed mouths don’t get fed and being timid gets you nowhere. That is all. Carry on. *puffs cigar, sips whiskey.
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#13 Posted : Thursday, June 7, 2018 10:19:27 AM(UTC)
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In addition to more money, I also received additional PTO and a relo bonus (which I think is fairly common).



Additional "PTO" as a GS/GG employee? Please elaborate!



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#14 Posted : Thursday, June 7, 2018 11:26:31 AM(UTC)
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In addition to more money, I also received additional PTO and a relo bonus (which I think is fairly common).



Additional "PTO" as a GS/GG employee? Please elaborate!



Starting at 6 or 8 hours per pay period vs starting at 4 hours per pp for annual leave.

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madman21  
#15 Posted : Thursday, June 7, 2018 7:05:58 PM(UTC)
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Starting at 6 or 8 hours per pay period vs starting at 4 hours per pp for annual leave.

I thought PTO was governed by OPM guidelines? Is getting a bump up a common incentive? Should we request it? I just got my justifications for a grade increase and recruitment incentive approved, but didn't realize additional PTO was something to ask for so I might go back and inquire...

Paid-time Off (PTO) is adjusted due to years of federal service.

Most of us receive a slight increase due to our military time.

Less than 3 years: 4 hours per pay period (13 days per year)

3-14 years: 6 hours per pay period (20 days per year)

15 years or more: 8 hours per pay period (26 days per year)


Definitely ask. I'm not prior military, but I used my industry experience as a justification. It was approved. I'm not sure if they gave me credit for all of my experience or just a portion, but my additional leave request was approved. No way I was going back to 13 days....been working too long for that.
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#16 Posted : Thursday, February 18, 2021 12:53:21 PM(UTC)
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Greetings,
Does anyone know at what point in the DIA hiring process can/should you negotiate your starting salary?



Search terms: Salary negotiation, CJO negotiation, Conditional Job offer, DIA CJO

Data points:

TS/SCI, 3.5 years in excepted service, Current grade 09:02 with retention incentive puts me right at $68k

CJO Offered 09-01, I asked for $72k or 11-01

Received my conditional offer 02/16/2021 and requested reconsideration for the salaries listed. This is the response I got:

Good afternoon,

Unfortunately, there is no opportunity to negotiate your offer. The grade, step, and salary offered in your Conditional Job Offer were based on DIA and OPM pay-setting policies for your respective career field and specialty. Therefore, Conditional Job Offers are non-negotiable. Once you have successfully adjudicated, you will be asked to provide an updated resume, transcripts, and SF-50(if applicable). Prior to a final job offer being made, a pay re-evaluation will be conducted. The updated documents that you send in will be used in the pay re-evaluation.

If you would like to move forward with pre-employment processing, please complete and return the forms as soon as possible.



Sincerely,
DIA Strategic Hiring
someoldguy  
#17 Posted : Thursday, February 18, 2021 1:05:25 PM(UTC)
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"Strategic Hiring"

That's a new one on me.
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#18 Posted : Sunday, April 18, 2021 4:08:00 AM(UTC)
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Seems like this thread is dated, but I just negotiated for my position this year. When you are looking at a PCS the ability to negotiate seems to be a lot more available.

Received my TJO (OCONUS PCS) for 13/3 (Current Grade/step); asked for any incentives available. -- They offered 10% a year for four years.
I countered with 20% per year for four.. -- They countered with 16% per year for four years. I accepted via email

When my FJO came in, it said 10% for four, and I reminded them of the 16% number that was discussed and they went back and said I was correct.


In conclusion, just ask and work from there as soon as the CJO comes in, and don't be afraid to try to negotiate. The worst thing they will do is just say no, they aren't going to pull the offer because you were curious if there was any wiggle room.
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#19 Posted : Wednesday, September 8, 2021 7:03:21 AM(UTC)
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Hi do you refer to language bonus or what bonus? I received a CJO & since Im already a GS my offer maxed out at 10-10 for the job I applied. By the time I will get my FJO I will be a GS12-4. I will be losing about 9k p/year and was wondering what type of incentives there are. I I speak a foreign language fluent and 3 other languages DLPT scores 2/2. Any suggestions or ideas before I bring it up later in the process?
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#20 Posted : Wednesday, September 8, 2021 7:44:26 AM(UTC)
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Hi do you refer to language bonus or what bonus? I received a CJO & since Im already a GS my offer maxed out at 10-10 for the job I applied. By the time I will get my FJO I will be a GS12-4. I will be losing about 9k p/year and was wondering what type of incentives there are. I I speak a foreign language fluent and 3 other languages DLPT scores 2/2. Any suggestions or ideas before I bring it up later in the process?

When you are promoted to 12/4 get your SF50 and use that to negotiate your FJO. MOST government agencies will match however, not sure if DIA is doing that. Nice job and good luck.
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