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#61 Posted : Friday, August 10, 2018 8:36:23 AM(UTC)
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I got an email from them to do a "task" on the usa jobs site. I see the position now says "selected" but there is no link as the email said for task. I'll have to call them tomorrow.

No interview??


Congrats, cs79!

Hopefully since you were selected as an external applicant that is an indication more offers will be extended in a couple of days or weeks to ones that qualified to be referred.

What announcement were you selected for and for what grade?

Again, congrats!


I agree. Hope the process moves faster for external applicants qualified to referred
Holding on with Hope & Patience :)
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#62 Posted : Friday, August 10, 2018 1:36:21 PM(UTC)
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Guys don’t lose hope we informed they are going to hire 1400 people in IT regarding to tax reform so don’t lose hope just try


Thanks for the encouragement, Johns.

I don't understand why the process is so slow. When I try to contact the HR point of contact in the announcement for the status of my application I rarely get any feedback.

Are the 1400 people they are looking to hire going to be permanent hires? Are the 1400 going to be hired in 2018 or over a course of the next couple of years that Trump is in office?


HAHAHA you DO know this is the government, right??? There's probably tens of thousands of people that have applied, regardless of their qualifications. It's likely going to take some time to get through this.
I've heard that there is a listing of all seats which were open and internal rosters have been offered as the first choice. cs79 is technically an "Internal" as he/she was already in a government role. I know for a fact that there is a method for their hiring, specifically in "waves" which include internals, military, and recent grads going first.
As I mentioned before there is probably some internal shuffling going around so it's hard to say if they're "hiring" 1400 new people or if they are "moving" people into new positions and not back filling. We would need someone from their HCO to speak to that. I've heard 1400+ but that could mean that since they are new positions, internal applicants aren't promoted, they're changing jobs. From what I've seen online and from contacts I know, this seems more like the case.

I'm also not surprised to hear they haven't written back. Again, specifically the announcement refers to a person or email address to ask questions. I assume this goes to a large center where they give quick replies back. Some replies I've received were one sentence responses with no other information. For instance "if you didn't get a grade notification, they haven't graded you yet." Thats even if I get a response.
I've also gotten inconsistencies in applications that have sent an email saying my application has been "received" however the site still reflects "qualifications under review" and I've also not heard back like the first 30 day update email said I would. That email said was an update I received back in May saying it's been 30 days and still in process, we'll continue to email you updates on the progress every 30 days. That was almost 3 months ago and I only received one update stating that they've updated one location on one of the announcements.

Of the many applications I've placed, only one has been graded. That was likely an auto grade since it was a quick turnaround. All others have been stagnant, one of those being the security role similar to what Johns has taken.
Really, if you are an external, I think it could happen, but understand you're up against military (who rightly deserve the priority) and internals. That's just how this works. Unless you're applying to a Direct Hire position, it's probably going to be closer to September that you hear anything. When I applied, I was thinking even if it weren't as "easy" as it has sounded, it would probably be August/September at the very minimum that I get any update. Heck, I've even got applications from 2010 that still reflect "application under consideration" on the IRS dashboard and I have NEVER received updates as to not being chosen for those!!!

Stay positive! There has never been a better time to be in IT.
-Good Luck and Congrats to those that have been selected!!!




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#63 Posted : Friday, August 10, 2018 3:42:31 PM(UTC)
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It was one of the IT open for a year (03/13/2018 to 03/13/2019) positions. There were several that got posted in March. I applied the same day it opened. I am a 12 equivalent and the offer is a 12. I filled out all the forms they asked for. We will see what happens.

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What announcement were you selected for and for what grade?

Again, congrats!

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#64 Posted : Friday, August 10, 2018 6:37:53 PM(UTC)
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As the IRS looks to implement its new long-term strategy and sees a spending boost on the horizon from Congress, David Kautter, the agency’s acting commissioner, plans to hire 1,700 full-time additional employees ahead of next year’s tax filing season.
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In order to implement the new tax law, the IRS says it will have to upgrade more than 140 computer systems and update more than 450 tax forms by next year’s filing season.


https://federalnewsradio...-next-tax-filing-season/
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#65 Posted : Thursday, August 16, 2018 7:49:47 AM(UTC)
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I think this next month is going to be active for many potential outside hires...
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#66 Posted : Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:07:32 AM(UTC)
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Detdude thanks for the heads up! May I ask how do you know?
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#67 Posted : Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:49:03 AM(UTC)
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Detdude thanks for the heads up! May I ask how do you know?


I have some contacts that, like JohnS, received information and passed it along. My understanding from conversations I've had and read on this thread is that the IRS is working to get qualified people in spots asap. That's why you are seeing zero interviews conducted. There is heavy reliance on the HCO to identify who is qualified then "refer" them to the hiring manager. From what I know of the job market, finding qualified people takes a lot of time and there aren't a lot of people available because of the private sector growth. What you gain in "stability" with a government job, you lose in pay in the private sector. Many highly qualified IT people, especially software developers can pick and choose where they want to work.
We know from GerogaPeach and Cs79 that their "waves" have come. That means most internals have already been placed and it's time to backfill the remaining 1700 (1400 IT jobs) from the article we read about a few post above this. If this is in anticipation for the new tax season, that means they need bodies in the seat by October/November to get projects off the ground or to at least get people up to speed on any "changes" that need to be designed, tested, and implemented prior to tax season.
I'm no oracle but it's about time movement occurs. From the rumblings I've heard, it seems like September will be the initial month followed by harder to fill positions throughout the end of the year. That 1700 was the goal for this year since it's been a while that the IRS has been on somewhat of a freeze.

I'd be interested to hear what insiders think about this.
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taco_tuesdays on 8/16/2018(UTC)
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No internal contacts but few things that would speed-up hiring in general - FY money if that is even an actual factor and schools have started or going to pretty soon - end of vacations
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#69 Posted : Thursday, August 16, 2018 4:32:43 PM(UTC)
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IMO, all this talk of "OMG the feds are desperate for IT staff! We just can't recruit them because there aren't enough!" is all a bunch of nonsense. They can't recruit them because of their own incredibly flawed hiring practices.

I applied for two of the GS-5/7 IRS IT specialist positions that basically read like glorified helpdesk roles paying the 38K-50K range. My qualifications?

Education:

B.S. Political Science / double minors in HR management & business admin - state university, magna cum laude

A.A.S. Computer Programming - community college

Certificate - Desktop Support & Computer Networking

IT Certs: A+, Network+, Security+, Server+, Microsoft MCDST/MCP/MTA.

Programming experience - VB .NET/C#: I have a portfolio of LOTS of homebrew software that I've developed, including software that has hundreds of downloads and positive reviews by users. This portfolio is clearly noted on my USAJobs resume.

Work experience: 6 months as a network tech at a major global telecom and several years of professional law enforcement work.

My rating from the IRS? **NOT QUALIFIED** Poof. Done.

You're telling me all of that gets an immediate not qualified? For essentially a glorified helpdesk job pulling in 38K-50K? GTFO! In the private sector, I'm basically an instant hire for ANY job comparable to these.

The feds are screwed when it comes to IT recruiting because they screwed themselves. End of story.


Do you think you were "Not Qualified" due to actual work experience? If you were referring to me stating it's difficult to find qualified helpdesk workers, the answer would be no. I don't believe there is a lack of those out there. I'm talking more for the higher G11+ jobs where they'll likely have issues. A G11+ at 105K takes decades however someone could earn that in the private sector in a year.
I'm sure the IRS has no shortage of resumes and I would agree they have slowed down the process by grading the most minute detail of a resume. I'm also speaking from an outsider's view point and would encourage those inside to provide detail. I'm assuming you would need someone from HCO or at a management role who actually gets to review resumes. My understanding is that the HCO is reviewing qualifications. I'm also assuming those are going through some type of algorithm then some human who has looked at 100000 resume's has to review.

To your qualifications, obviously the programming is beneficial to have however it's much different to create home brews versus applications that follow an experienced, enterprise SDLC. Most of the questions prior to getting even to an "Application Received" status are likely the algorithm filters. Have you tried to change those answers? Again, I agree with you. Their practices likely filter out many qualified candidates. From the brief description, it looks like your actual work experience in IT was the time limitation even though you're credentialed via certificates. Did you obtain those through education?

Also - For those holding onto this like it's the end of the world if you don't get it. To Poplu's point, the private sector is expanding and there are many opportunities to be had.

I agree with the time frame listed above. Now that summer is over, many people are returning to work. We want these jobs because you get about 30+ days off a year. If you figure Summer is vacation season, I'm assuming not much was getting done between 07/04 and 09/03 !!!
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