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thom325  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, April 10, 2018 5:49:55 PM(UTC)
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So I understand that that a full time regular clerk has a regular schedule.
But my question is what is a non traditional clerk and what is a pool relief clerk?
Are the same thing?
I was told a pool relief isn’t the same as a non traditional and that a pool relief fills in wherever they are needed.
Even if it’s filling in for a lead clerk.
If that’s the case do they get lead clerk level 7 pay as well?
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, April 10, 2018 6:52:53 PM(UTC)
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So I understand that that a full time regular clerk has a regular schedule.
But my question is what is a non traditional clerk and what is a pool relief clerk? non traditional clerk or NTFT are full time in the eyes of the union work less the 40 hours or more then 40 hours and get credit for fulltime, some have set schedules and some do not. a pool clerk is with a bunch of other clerks and go where needed and take the hours and days off of the position they are filling in for.
Are they same thing?no
I was told a pool relief isn’t the same as a non traditional and that a pool relief fills in wherever they are needed.
Even if it’s filling in for a lead clerk.
If that’s the case do they get lead clerk level 7 pay as well? should


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#3 Posted : Tuesday, April 10, 2018 7:53:33 PM(UTC)
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Ok thank you. The schedule they had posted was 6-3 mon-fri and 5-2 on sat so I’m assuming that’s just the default schedule when no one is on vacation.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, April 11, 2018 5:39:51 AM(UTC)
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Ok thank you. The schedule they had posted was 6-3 mon-fri and 5-2 on sat so I’m assuming that’s just the default schedule when no one is on vacation.


yes.
all position must have a default schedule
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#5 Posted : Thursday, May 31, 2018 1:51:38 AM(UTC)
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So as a flex or nifty does that mean they can move me around whenever they want? When am I entitled to the hours that we’re posted? Becuz from my understanding I should only have a different schedule when someone is on vacation.
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#6 Posted : Thursday, May 31, 2018 5:44:31 AM(UTC)
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So as a flex or nifty does that mean they can move me around whenever they want? When am I entitled to the hours that we’re posted? Becuz from my understanding I should only have a different schedule when someone is on vacation.


flex and ntft are two different categories.


there are flex ntft.

what does your form 50 say you are?
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#7 Posted : Thursday, May 31, 2018 6:06:03 AM(UTC)
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So as a flex or nifty does that mean they can move me around whenever they want? When am I entitled to the hours that we’re posted? Becuz from my understanding I should only have a different schedule when someone is on vacation.


flex and ntft are two different categories.


there are flex ntft.

what does your form 50 say you are?


By the position it says sales,svc/dust asoc and full time
I also get paid hourly
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#8 Posted : Thursday, May 31, 2018 10:31:14 AM(UTC)
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So as a flex or nifty does that mean they can move me around whenever they want? When am I entitled to the hours that we’re posted? Becuz from my understanding I should only have a different schedule when someone is on vacation.


flex and ntft are two different categories.


there are flex ntft.

what does your form 50 say you are?


By the position it says sales,svc/dust asoc and full time
I also get paid hourly




don't understand how one line can state "FULL TIME " and then you state "I also get paid hourly"


tell us what line 51, 52, 61 and 62 of the form 50 state
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#9 Posted : Thursday, May 31, 2018 8:02:26 PM(UTC)
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Line 51, 2320-0003
Line 52, sales,svcs/distribution assoc
Line 61-06/B
Line 62,-22.88
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#10 Posted : Friday, June 01, 2018 4:55:00 AM(UTC)
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Should a lone NTFT clerk at an RMPO get lead clerk pay if they are the only employee at the office?
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#11 Posted : Friday, June 01, 2018 5:37:23 AM(UTC)
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Line 51, 2320-0003
Line 52, sales,svcs/distribution assoc
Line 61-06/B
Line 62,-22.88


this confuses me.

try calling shared services and ask what they have you listed as.
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#12 Posted : Friday, June 01, 2018 5:38:25 AM(UTC)
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Should a lone NTFT clerk at an RMPO get lead clerk pay if they are the only employee at the office?


depends.

I know where there is a clerk all alone in an office every Saturday they do not get higher pay.
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, June 06, 2018 1:18:35 PM(UTC)
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Funny i found this because it came up in a usps fb group today.

So whats the difference btwn a flex and ntft ?
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, June 06, 2018 2:24:48 PM(UTC)

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Funny i found this because it came up in a usps fb group today.

So whats the difference btwn a flex and ntft ?


NTFT (non traditional full time) has a set schedule, set days off. This schedule can vary greatly from one clerk to the other. Could be M-F 8-5 with one hour lunch, Sat/Sun off with Sat 9-4, Mon/Tues 10-5, etc. etc. But its a set schedule. Anything outside those hours would be either OOS (out of schedule) or OT (overtime)

The added "flex" title to a NTFT allows management to change the schedule somewhat under a set perimeter of daily hours.
For an example a NTFT/flex bid states 6hrs daily between the hours of 6-6. With 36 hr/wkly guarantee.
Management can schedule the NTFT/flex 6-12 in the morning or 10-4 or any other 6 hr run daily. Just depends if they need them for mail in the morning or covering lunch, etc.
They don't get OOS or OT unless the go outside the 6-6 perimeter.

Google "everything NTFT" it gives ALOT of information on the position.

Not to confuse the issue further, but I know a NTFT/flex clerk (based off her form 50) that has a bid schedule that is so tight, there is no flexibility built in. She has a guarantee of 5 hrs daily. Bid states 10-4 w/one hour lunch M-F. See no flex in that schedule. And Sat. is 7-12 bid schedule. They are paying her OOS every Sat, because Amazon comes in at 6am.
I suggested she get with union to change her bid for that extra hour. She asked, "why?". She is making OOS every week. If they change her bid, they might do something else. She loves her schedule.


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#15 Posted : Wednesday, June 06, 2018 2:28:23 PM(UTC)

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Should a lone NTFT clerk at an RMPO get lead clerk pay if they are the only employee at the office?


I believe it depends if there are other employees in the office. If there are carriers, then lead clerk pay. If NTFT clerk is only one in he building, then no lead clerk pay.
Although something nags me in that is not necessarily the only deciding point.
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, June 06, 2018 5:06:02 PM(UTC)
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Funny i found this because it came up in a usps fb group today.

So whats the difference btwn a flex and ntft ?


and to confuse the issue even farther a flex with out NTFT is used like a pse.
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#17 Posted : Thursday, June 14, 2018 6:56:14 PM(UTC)
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So basically they can work me 10-7? Regardless of the fact the bid says 6-2. It says that I’m a flex but I just don’t understand the point of posting a bid if the bid is actually non-existent.
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#18 Posted : Friday, June 15, 2018 5:17:34 AM(UTC)
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So basically they can work me 10-7? Regardless of the fact the bid says 6-2. It says that I’m a flex but I just don’t understand the point of posting a bid if the bid is actually non-existent.


please answer post 11
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#19 Posted : Friday, June 15, 2018 8:39:57 AM(UTC)

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Should a lone NTFT clerk at an RMPO get lead clerk pay if they are the only employee at the office?


No. RMPO Clerks are not entitled to Lead Clerk pay. Management and the Union agreed on that issue.
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