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The Department of Defense (DoD) is charged with coordinating and supervising all agencies and functions of the government relating directly to national security and the United States armed forces. The mission of the Department of Defense is to provide the military forces needed to deter war and to protect the security of our country.

The Department of Defense is America's oldest and largest government agency -tracing its roots back to pre-Revolutionary times. Today, the Department is not only in charge of the military, but it also employs a civilian force of thousands. With over 1.4 million men and women on active duty, and 718,000 civilian personnel, DoD is the nation's largest employer. Another 1.1 million serve in the National Guard and Reserve forces. More than 2 million military retirees and their family members receive benefits.

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Harris  
#1 Posted : Monday, June 25, 2018 6:36:51 AM(UTC)
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Can anyone tell me if it is still possible to get a waiver of the 5 year rule to go from one overseas tour to another? I am currently serving in the UK and my first three years will be up in Feb 2019. I would like to apply for positions at another overseas location, which of course I would need a waiver because the minimum accompanied tour is 36 months and I would only have two years of eligibility left. Has anyone done this before?
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Can anyone tell me if it is still possible to get a waiver of the 5 year rule to go from one overseas tour to another? I am currently serving in the UK and my first three years will be up in Feb 2019. I would like to apply for positions at another overseas location, which of course I would need a waiver because the minimum accompanied tour is 36 months and I would only have two years of eligibility left. Has anyone done this before?


I personally know a GS14 whom transferred from one DoD Agency in the UK to another Agency in the DoD at Bahrain with 18 months left of his 5-Year OCONUS tour. He did have to rotate back to the US at the end of his 5 years however (last May).

The 5 Year Rule is tough to get around unless you are with USAREUR. Some Selecting Officials will exclude your application if you have been OCONUS for more than 36 months though, but it depends on the position and SA.

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#3 Posted : Monday, June 25, 2018 7:58:58 AM(UTC)
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Thanks, I am aware I can do an 18 month or 24 month consecutive, I was looking at doing two consecutive 36 month tours and wondering if it has been done before or if it can even be done with a waiver.
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Can anyone tell me if it is still possible to get a waiver of the 5 year rule to go from one overseas tour to another? I am currently serving in the UK and my first three years will be up in Feb 2019. I would like to apply for positions at another overseas location, which of course I would need a waiver because the minimum accompanied tour is 36 months and I would only have two years of eligibility left. Has anyone done this before?


If you apply for the position and they select you, that is something the gaining unit would have to agree too. I had a coworker in the same situation...during the interview they discussed how much time he/she had left on the current tour. Once they discussed that topic, they let him/her know that they was unwilling to seek an extension, if he/she was selected. I also knew someone else that applied for a position with only two years left on his/her term and the unit still selected him/her. Like EEngiNerd said, it depends on a lot of factors. I would just apply for the position and see what happens.
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#5 Posted : Monday, June 25, 2018 10:27:01 AM(UTC)
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Seen weird things. We have a GS-13 that was in Korea and came over to Germany 2 years into his 5. Not sure how long he has been here. He should be close to leaving pretty soon.


I thinking staying in one location beyond 5 with the same agency seems to kind of work.


Staying past 3 and changing agencies is a gamble.



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#6 Posted : Monday, June 25, 2018 8:58:06 PM(UTC)
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I have 15 years in Civil Service with only 18 months in the US...It can be done as there are waivers to everything. My suggestion is to never leave it in anyone's hands, always have control of your paperwork. FWIW, I just went past my 5 year rule once again! My new DEROS is May of 2021.
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, June 26, 2018 10:42:19 AM(UTC)
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I have 15 years in Civil Service with only 18 months in the US...It can be done as there are waivers to everything. My suggestion is to never leave it in anyone's hands, always have control of your paperwork. FWIW, I just went past my 5 year rule once again! My new DEROS is May of 2021.



Have you been a GS employee receiving LQA for that time?



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#8 Posted : Tuesday, June 26, 2018 9:01:16 PM(UTC)
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I have 15 years in Civil Service with only 18 months in the US...It can be done as there are waivers to everything. My suggestion is to never leave it in anyone's hands, always have control of your paperwork. FWIW, I just went past my 5 year rule once again! My new DEROS is May of 2021.



Have you been a GS employee receiving LQA for that time?





I am a GG 14. I have been receiving LQA the entire time, and I have also been receiving the DC locality rate(25%).
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, June 27, 2018 8:41:07 AM(UTC)
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I have 15 years in Civil Service with only 18 months in the US...It can be done as there are waivers to everything. My suggestion is to never leave it in anyone's hands, always have control of your paperwork. FWIW, I just went past my 5 year rule once again! My new DEROS is May of 2021.



Have you been a GS employee receiving LQA for that time?





I am a GG 14. I have been receiving LQA the entire time, and I have also been receiving the DC locality rate(25%).



That's a unicorn deal and one of the reason working for the Intel Community in Europe is on my radar... DC locality rate, no 5-Year Rule, and each year OCONUS count 1.5x for retirement.


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#10 Posted : Wednesday, June 27, 2018 5:50:00 PM(UTC)
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I have 15 years in Civil Service with only 18 months in the US...It can be done as there are waivers to everything. My suggestion is to never leave it in anyone's hands, always have control of your paperwork. FWIW, I just went past my 5 year rule once again! My new DEROS is May of 2021.



Have you been a GS employee receiving LQA for that time?





I am a GG 14. I have been receiving LQA the entire time, and I have also been receiving the DC locality rate(25%).


How do you get DC locality rate of 25%? I've been selected for Europe and that 25% would make up the loss of household income for the wife...it's important to me!!!

Thank you for your time,
PJ
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, June 27, 2018 9:11:54 PM(UTC)
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I have 15 years in Civil Service with only 18 months in the US...It can be done as there are waivers to everything. My suggestion is to never leave it in anyone's hands, always have control of your paperwork. FWIW, I just went past my 5 year rule once again! My new DEROS is May of 2021.



Have you been a GS employee receiving LQA for that time?





I am a GG 14. I have been receiving LQA the entire time, and I have also been receiving the DC locality rate(25%).



That's a unicorn deal and one of the reason working for the Intel Community in Europe is on my radar... DC locality rate, no 5-Year Rule, and each year OCONUS count 1.5x for retirement.




Who said I was Intel?
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, June 27, 2018 9:14:14 PM(UTC)
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I have 15 years in Civil Service with only 18 months in the US...It can be done as there are waivers to everything. My suggestion is to never leave it in anyone's hands, always have control of your paperwork. FWIW, I just went past my 5 year rule once again! My new DEROS is May of 2021.



Have you been a GS employee receiving LQA for that time?





I am a GG 14. I have been receiving LQA the entire time, and I have also been receiving the DC locality rate(25%).



That's a unicorn deal and one of the reason working for the Intel Community in Europe is on my radar... DC locality rate, no 5-Year Rule, and each year OCONUS count 1.5x for retirement.




and yes, the 5 year rule does apply to all, there are just avenues around it! I never heard of the retirement rule, that is something i'll have to research.
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, June 27, 2018 9:16:19 PM(UTC)
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I have 15 years in Civil Service with only 18 months in the US...It can be done as there are waivers to everything. My suggestion is to never leave it in anyone's hands, always have control of your paperwork. FWIW, I just went past my 5 year rule once again! My new DEROS is May of 2021.



Have you been a GS employee receiving LQA for that time?





I am a GG 14. I have been receiving LQA the entire time, and I have also been receiving the DC locality rate(25%).


How do you get DC locality rate of 25%? I've been selected for Europe and that 25% would make up the loss of household income for the wife...it's important to me!!!

Thank you for your time,
PJ

I am not a GS employee, but a GG. As a GS, you will not receive it.
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Who said I was Intel?



No one. I have colleagues who work for in the IC and they are all GG's with DC Locality, no 5-Yr Rule, and the 1.5x bonus for retirement time.

GG-13/14/15 positions OCONUS are extremely rare & non IC ones even rarer (within the DoD).

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I am DOS. Security Specialist who works with Heads of State. I also have DoD in my office. I also asked my CPS about the 1.5 bonus, they never heard of it either.
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I am DOS. Security Specialist who works with Heads of State. I also have DoD in my office. I also asked my CPS about the 1.5 bonus, they never heard of it either.


Apologies... the multiplier is 1.7 yrs vs 1.5.

DIA falls under the law that stipulates certain members of the intelligence community (CIA< DIA< NSA) are to receive 1.7 annuity year credit while serving as an intelligence officer overseas. I think it has to do with specialist skills and requirements- unique challenges for intelligence folks while overseas.




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Originally Posted by: Harris Go to Quoted Post
Can anyone tell me if it is still possible to get a waiver of the 5 year rule to go from one overseas tour to another? I am currently serving in the UK and my first three years will be up in Feb 2019. I would like to apply for positions at another overseas location, which of course I would need a waiver because the minimum accompanied tour is 36 months and I would only have two years of eligibility left. Has anyone done this before?


As plenty have answered .. you can get a waiver. Some play the system very well and stay 10, 15, 20 years overseas. But most worker bees are held to the 5 year rule.

If a new unit picks you up.. and wants to keep you.. they will get you a OTEX.

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#18 Posted : Monday, July 02, 2018 3:31:40 AM(UTC)
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I am DOS. Security Specialist who works with Heads of State. I also have DoD in my office. I also asked my CPS about the 1.5 bonus, they never heard of it either.
There is the Answer...DoS: The agency whose primary mission is overseas. The rest of the federal agencies with people outside the US stick to the 5 year rule (though waivers can be found on occasion IF leadership is willing to go to bat for you) pretty closely.

You should have voted Cthulu...the greatest of all Evils
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I am DOS. Security Specialist who works with Heads of State. I also have DoD in my office. I also asked my CPS about the 1.5 bonus, they never heard of it either.
There is the Answer...DoS: The agency whose primary mission is overseas. The rest of the federal agencies with people outside the US stick to the 5 year rule (though waivers can be found on occasion IF leadership is willing to go to bat for you) pretty closely.



Nice try, even though I am DoS, my approval was signed off on by DoD officials. Now to clarify your BS statement of "The agency whose primary mission is overseas". 1. The mission has nothing to do with it. 2. Is completely wrong. 3 Finally is a reach by you because you cannot accept the fact that it can happen and you have been proved wrong yet again!

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And here I thought DoS security folks were all FS and not GG - I learn something new every day.

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