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Discopimp  
#1 Posted : Monday, July 09, 2018 8:12:30 AM(UTC)
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So apparently a carrier passed away on his or her route in our district this weekend. Not much details are out yet, not even in the local news. Management hasn’t even spoken on it. Such an unfortunate tragedy. Is it possible they want to cover it up so we don’t speak up on the issue that these old trucks have no AC and outdated fans???
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#2 Posted : Monday, July 09, 2018 8:18:39 AM(UTC)
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most workplace deaths/injuries go unreported...you hear about most police officer/fireman deaths of those in your local coverage area, some of them make national news, but for just a postal employee, I think it takes shooting up the building...

that said, I would expect a 'safety' talk from management about it...someone a district over had a dog repellant can explode in an LLV and break a window and we were told of it
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#3 Posted : Monday, July 09, 2018 1:03:24 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Discopimp Go to Quoted Post
So apparently a carrier passed away on his or her route in our district this weekend. Not much details are out yet, not even in the local news. Management hasn’t even spoken on it. Such an unfortunate tragedy. Is it possible they want to cover it up so we don’t speak up on the issue that these old trucks have no AC and outdated fans???


contact the union local president.

if you feel what you said about the above, have you filled a 1767?
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#4 Posted : Monday, July 09, 2018 1:51:50 PM(UTC)
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If I died on the job and no autopsy was required by law, I would hope my next if kin would authorize and insist on an autopsy.
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#5 Posted : Monday, July 09, 2018 2:25:27 PM(UTC)
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Was it possibly heat related?

Contact your NBA for assistance.

There is someone in national that monitors heat indices throughout the nation.
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#6 Posted : Monday, July 09, 2018 3:15:57 PM(UTC)
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#7 Posted : Monday, July 09, 2018 3:20:51 PM(UTC)
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started june 16, 1990

so sad.

http://php.app.com/agent...lemployees/details/91737


please take PLENTY of water and take HEAT breaks.

file 1767 like it is raining!!!!
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#8 Posted : Monday, July 09, 2018 7:20:05 PM(UTC)

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Originally Posted by: z165012 Go to Quoted Post
most workplace deaths/injuries go unreported...you hear about most police officer/fireman deaths of those in your local coverage area, some of them make national news, but for just a postal employee, I think it takes shooting up the building...

that said, I would expect a 'safety' talk from management about it...someone a district over had a dog repellant can explode in an LLV and break a window and we were told of it


I'm in a neighboring district and we got the safety message. But then again the scanners have been hammering that message for weeks.

To the mention of fans up thread a few years ago we were getting messages don't worry about the fans because the only blow hot air on you. They were probably trying to fight people refusing to take out a vehicle with a bad fan. But then last year all of the disabled fans in 20 year old LLVs got replaced. I figure someone else paid the price for that safety improvement.
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, July 10, 2018 6:17:36 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Discopimp Go to Quoted Post
So apparently a carrier passed away on his or her route in our district this weekend. Not much details are out yet, not even in the local news. Management hasn’t even spoken on it. Such an unfortunate tragedy. Is it possible they want to cover it up so we don’t speak up on the issue that these old trucks have no AC and outdated fans???


Cover it up? LMAO, how in the world could they cover up a death? As far as outdated fans and no AC, what's new? You learn to work appropriately for the weather you have, that's how it is when you have a job that requires you to work outside.
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, July 10, 2018 6:47:54 AM(UTC)
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So apparently a carrier passed away on his or her route in our district this weekend. Not much details are out yet, not even in the local news. Management hasn’t even spoken on it. Such an unfortunate tragedy. Is it possible they want to cover it up so we don’t speak up on the issue that these old trucks have no AC and outdated fans???


Cover it up? LMAO, how in the world could they cover up a death? As far as outdated fans and no AC, what's new? You learn to work appropriately for the weather you have, that's how it is when you have a job that requires you to work outside.



You’d be surprised how many people “outside” of the post office don’t know these trucks don’t have working AC’s. Let me guess you’re part of management
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#11 Posted : Thursday, July 12, 2018 2:21:45 PM(UTC)

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According to radio news O.H.S.A has opened an investigation on the death, the LA County has gotten around to the autopsy yet.

I am interested in how the focus on so called stationary events will be judged against the scanner suggestions to slow down.
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#12 Posted : Thursday, July 12, 2018 3:11:26 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Discopimp Go to Quoted Post
So apparently a carrier passed away on his or her route in our district this weekend. Not much details are out yet, not even in the local news. Management hasn’t even spoken on it. Such an unfortunate tragedy. Is it possible they want to cover it up so we don’t speak up on the issue that these old trucks have no AC and outdated fans???


I don't know if this is the same incident you're referring, but it has received quite extensive coverage:

http://www.foxla.com/new...in-truck-during-heatwave
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#13 Posted : Thursday, July 12, 2018 3:21:14 PM(UTC)
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In over 30 years with this outfit, I've never seen USPS's "commitment" to telling us (thru our scanners) to drink extra water, know the heat stress symptoms, check on your buddy, etc as they've done this year. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the Missouri carrier that died a few years ago, or issues in IOWA last year. Problem is, not once(unless my day off) have I seen the scanner, or mgmt.(in my office) tell carriers to "take extra breaks", as suggested by OSHA(preferably in the shade or place with AC). We had a CCA who thought their two-10 minute breaks was "only time" to take a break from the heat(they weren't told otherwise). Sadly, I hope this "work till you drop" attitude isn't everywhere. Watch out for yourself, don't depend on management to.
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#14 Posted : Thursday, July 12, 2018 6:53:06 PM(UTC)
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Only you care about your safety.

Does management tell you how many times you can go to the bathroom? Hit a gas station 10 times if you need to in order to work through a heat spell.

Or cold weather if you live in the cold.
Learn to discipline yourself, so someone else doesn't have to
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#15 Posted : Friday, July 13, 2018 9:40:36 PM(UTC)
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The most important thing ,for a carrier in the heat, is cold water. You cooler will hold only so much. CCA' s should be taught to not keep going without cold water. Stop and buy a bootle.
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#16 Posted : Saturday, July 14, 2018 6:28:20 AM(UTC)
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I do recall quite a while back we got a scanner message that said something that could be interpreted as taking as many breaks as necessary. I don't recall the exact wording, but I was shocked they would put out something other than verbal that a carrier could use to excuse an extra break. Within a short time (days or weeks) I got a similar message that changed the wording to "approved breaks". And I thought there is no harm to carriers these *******s won't ignore to try to cover their butts while leaving open the ability to discipline anyone they want.
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#17 Posted : Saturday, July 14, 2018 11:37:37 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Hannah Blector Go to Quoted Post
I do recall quite a while back we got a scanner message that said something that could be interpreted as taking as many breaks as necessary. I don't recall the exact wording, but I was shocked they would put out something other than verbal that a carrier could use to excuse an extra break. Within a short time (days or weeks) I got a similar message that changed the wording to "approved breaks". And I thought there is no harm to carriers these *******s won't ignore to try to cover their butts while leaving open the ability to discipline anyone they want.


The contract is very clear that comfort stops are unlimited "within reason". When it's 100 degrees out, that could mean many breaks. I have a hard time believing even the most psychotic manager could make discipline stick in this situation.
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#18 Posted : Saturday, July 14, 2018 11:56:35 AM(UTC)

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I do recall quite a while back we got a scanner message that said something that could be interpreted as taking as many breaks as necessary. I don't recall the exact wording, but I was shocked they would put out something other than verbal that a carrier could use to excuse an extra break. Within a short time (days or weeks) I got a similar message that changed the wording to "approved breaks". And I thought there is no harm to carriers these *******s won't ignore to try to cover their butts while leaving open the ability to discipline anyone they want.


The contract is very clear that comfort stops are unlimited "within reason". When it's 100 degrees out, that could mean many breaks. I have a hard time believing even the most psychotic manager could make discipline stick in this situation.


Making discipline stick isn't what causes the morale problems it is carriers being called before the supervisor to explain at all. Also with carrier supervisors having to write to their bosses explaining stationary events.
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#19 Posted : Saturday, July 14, 2018 1:59:53 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Hannah Blector Go to Quoted Post
I do recall quite a while back we got a scanner message that said something that could be interpreted as taking as many breaks as necessary. I don't recall the exact wording, but I was shocked they would put out something other than verbal that a carrier could use to excuse an extra break. Within a short time (days or weeks) I got a similar message that changed the wording to "approved breaks". And I thought there is no harm to carriers these *******s won't ignore to try to cover their butts while leaving open the ability to discipline anyone they want.


YEP I NOTICED THAT AS WELL IT WAS ABOUT TWO DAYS LATER.
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#20 Posted : Saturday, July 14, 2018 3:50:55 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Hannah Blector Go to Quoted Post
I do recall quite a while back we got a scanner message that said something that could be interpreted as taking as many breaks as necessary. I don't recall the exact wording, but I was shocked they would put out something other than verbal that a carrier could use to excuse an extra break. Within a short time (days or weeks) I got a similar message that changed the wording to "approved breaks". And I thought there is no harm to carriers these *******s won't ignore to try to cover their butts while leaving open the ability to discipline anyone they want.


should have taken a picture of the scanner.
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