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tenaciousnerd  
#861 Posted : Monday, March 23, 2020 1:43:34 PM(UTC)
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Hi all - long time lurker here, first time poster. I'm hoping for some advice on salary negotiation. I will defend my PhD (social science) next month. I've completed two ten week internships with the federal government (one at a GS-9 level; one unpaid). Can I negotiate steps within GS-9? If so, which step do you recommend I shoot for?

Thanks in advance for your advice, and thanks for this helpful thread!
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#862 Posted : Tuesday, March 24, 2020 2:47:06 PM(UTC)
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Hi all - long time lurker here, first time poster. I'm hoping for some advice on salary negotiation. I will defend my PhD (social science) next month. I've completed two ten week internships with the federal government (one at a GS-9 level; one unpaid). Can I negotiate steps within GS-9? If so, which step do you recommend I shoot for?

Thanks in advance for your advice, and thanks for this helpful thread!


They will NOT negotiate unless you have federal service at a higher level.

You have (or rather will have imminently) a PhD, and you are applying for a job that starts at around $25/hour....? You know most PhD holders can secure employment paying around $50/hour, right? Those student loans are going to eat you alive in a few years with compound interest with what you'll be able to pay at $25/hour....


How long until you delete this comment, Poplou? I won't respond further and feed the conversation, but you do delete sometimes.

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tenaciousnerd  
#863 Posted : Tuesday, March 24, 2020 3:23:19 PM(UTC)
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Hi all - long time lurker here, first time poster. I'm hoping for some advice on salary negotiation. I will defend my PhD (social science) next month. I've completed two ten week internships with the federal government (one at a GS-9 level; one unpaid). Can I negotiate steps within GS-9? If so, which step do you recommend I shoot for?

Thanks in advance for your advice, and thanks for this helpful thread!


They will NOT negotiate unless you have federal service at a higher level.

You have (or rather will have imminently) a PhD, and you are applying for a job that starts at around $25/hour....? You know most PhD holders can secure employment paying around $50/hour, right? Those student loans are going to eat you alive in a few years with compound interest with what you'll be able to pay at $25/hour....


How long until you delete this comment, Poplou? I won't respond further and feed the conversation, but you do delete sometimes.


I just point out obvious truths that people don't like, yet are on point and extremely accurate. That's why I do so well in the IC.

The average PhD grad walks out with 100K+ in student loans. At an average 7% interest rate, that is $7000/year in interest without even factoring in compound interest. That means you need to pay $600/month minimum just to keep the interest at bay and not even touch the principle. The average GS-9 is going to have an exceptionally hard time keeping up with a 100k+ student loan, and it's absolutely idiotic for a PhD grad to be making $25/hour when they should be able to secure employment making $50/hour.

But I mean, you know, it's just math. It's not like losing control of a 100K+ student loan with compounding interest would have life destroying consequences or anything, right? I mean, defaulting on federal student loans, which would cause a person to instantly lose their security clearance, and thus their IC job, wouldn't be a big deal now, would it? <shrug>. What do I know.


You assume I have debt. My graduate coursework was fully funded, and I didn't take out loans for undergrad.
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GeorgeofTheJungle  
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Hi all - long time lurker here, first time poster. I'm hoping for some advice on salary negotiation. I will defend my PhD (social science) next month. I've completed two ten week internships with the federal government (one at a GS-9 level; one unpaid). Can I negotiate steps within GS-9? If so, which step do you recommend I shoot for?

Thanks in advance for your advice, and thanks for this helpful thread!


They will NOT negotiate unless you have federal service at a higher level.

You have (or rather will have imminently) a PhD, and you are applying for a job that starts at around $25/hour....? You know most PhD holders can secure employment paying around $50/hour, right? Those student loans are going to eat you alive in a few years with compound interest with what you'll be able to pay at $25/hour....


How long until you delete this comment, Poplou? I won't respond further and feed the conversation, but you do delete sometimes.


I just point out obvious truths that people don't like, yet are on point and extremely accurate. That's why I do so well in the IC.

The average PhD grad walks out with 100K+ in student loans. At an average 7% interest rate, that is $7000/year in interest without even factoring in compound interest. That means you need to pay $600/month minimum just to keep the interest at bay and not even touch the principle. The average GS-9 is going to have an exceptionally hard time keeping up with a 100k+ student loan, and it's absolutely idiotic for a PhD grad to be making $25/hour when they should be able to secure employment making $50/hour.

But I mean, you know, it's just math. It's not like losing control of a 100K+ student loan with compounding interest would have life destroying consequences or anything, right? I mean, defaulting on federal student loans, which would cause a person to instantly lose their security clearance, and thus their IC job, wouldn't be a big deal now, would it? <shrug>. What do I know.


You assume I have debt. My graduate coursework was fully funded, and I didn't take out loans for undergrad.


Do the thread a favor and don’t respond to him. He just comes in here to troll and then deletes his posts.

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