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tenaciousnerd  
#861 Posted : Monday, March 23, 2020 1:43:34 PM(UTC)
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Hi all - long time lurker here, first time poster. I'm hoping for some advice on salary negotiation. I will defend my PhD (social science) next month. I've completed two ten week internships with the federal government (one at a GS-9 level; one unpaid). Can I negotiate steps within GS-9? If so, which step do you recommend I shoot for?

Thanks in advance for your advice, and thanks for this helpful thread!
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CriminalIA  
#862 Posted : Tuesday, March 24, 2020 2:47:06 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Poplou Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: tenaciousnerd Go to Quoted Post
Hi all - long time lurker here, first time poster. I'm hoping for some advice on salary negotiation. I will defend my PhD (social science) next month. I've completed two ten week internships with the federal government (one at a GS-9 level; one unpaid). Can I negotiate steps within GS-9? If so, which step do you recommend I shoot for?

Thanks in advance for your advice, and thanks for this helpful thread!


They will NOT negotiate unless you have federal service at a higher level.

You have (or rather will have imminently) a PhD, and you are applying for a job that starts at around $25/hour....? You know most PhD holders can secure employment paying around $50/hour, right? Those student loans are going to eat you alive in a few years with compound interest with what you'll be able to pay at $25/hour....


How long until you delete this comment, Poplou? I won't respond further and feed the conversation, but you do delete sometimes.

Edited by user Tuesday, March 24, 2020 2:48:19 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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tenaciousnerd  
#863 Posted : Tuesday, March 24, 2020 3:23:19 PM(UTC)
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Hi all - long time lurker here, first time poster. I'm hoping for some advice on salary negotiation. I will defend my PhD (social science) next month. I've completed two ten week internships with the federal government (one at a GS-9 level; one unpaid). Can I negotiate steps within GS-9? If so, which step do you recommend I shoot for?

Thanks in advance for your advice, and thanks for this helpful thread!


They will NOT negotiate unless you have federal service at a higher level.

You have (or rather will have imminently) a PhD, and you are applying for a job that starts at around $25/hour....? You know most PhD holders can secure employment paying around $50/hour, right? Those student loans are going to eat you alive in a few years with compound interest with what you'll be able to pay at $25/hour....


How long until you delete this comment, Poplou? I won't respond further and feed the conversation, but you do delete sometimes.


I just point out obvious truths that people don't like, yet are on point and extremely accurate. That's why I do so well in the IC.

The average PhD grad walks out with 100K+ in student loans. At an average 7% interest rate, that is $7000/year in interest without even factoring in compound interest. That means you need to pay $600/month minimum just to keep the interest at bay and not even touch the principle. The average GS-9 is going to have an exceptionally hard time keeping up with a 100k+ student loan, and it's absolutely idiotic for a PhD grad to be making $25/hour when they should be able to secure employment making $50/hour.

But I mean, you know, it's just math. It's not like losing control of a 100K+ student loan with compounding interest would have life destroying consequences or anything, right? I mean, defaulting on federal student loans, which would cause a person to instantly lose their security clearance, and thus their IC job, wouldn't be a big deal now, would it? <shrug>. What do I know.


You assume I have debt. My graduate coursework was fully funded, and I didn't take out loans for undergrad.
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GeorgeofTheJungle  
#864 Posted : Tuesday, March 24, 2020 7:18:45 PM(UTC)
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Hi all - long time lurker here, first time poster. I'm hoping for some advice on salary negotiation. I will defend my PhD (social science) next month. I've completed two ten week internships with the federal government (one at a GS-9 level; one unpaid). Can I negotiate steps within GS-9? If so, which step do you recommend I shoot for?

Thanks in advance for your advice, and thanks for this helpful thread!


They will NOT negotiate unless you have federal service at a higher level.

You have (or rather will have imminently) a PhD, and you are applying for a job that starts at around $25/hour....? You know most PhD holders can secure employment paying around $50/hour, right? Those student loans are going to eat you alive in a few years with compound interest with what you'll be able to pay at $25/hour....


How long until you delete this comment, Poplou? I won't respond further and feed the conversation, but you do delete sometimes.


I just point out obvious truths that people don't like, yet are on point and extremely accurate. That's why I do so well in the IC.

The average PhD grad walks out with 100K+ in student loans. At an average 7% interest rate, that is $7000/year in interest without even factoring in compound interest. That means you need to pay $600/month minimum just to keep the interest at bay and not even touch the principle. The average GS-9 is going to have an exceptionally hard time keeping up with a 100k+ student loan, and it's absolutely idiotic for a PhD grad to be making $25/hour when they should be able to secure employment making $50/hour.

But I mean, you know, it's just math. It's not like losing control of a 100K+ student loan with compounding interest would have life destroying consequences or anything, right? I mean, defaulting on federal student loans, which would cause a person to instantly lose their security clearance, and thus their IC job, wouldn't be a big deal now, would it? <shrug>. What do I know.


You assume I have debt. My graduate coursework was fully funded, and I didn't take out loans for undergrad.


Do the thread a favor and don’t respond to him. He just comes in here to troll and then deletes his posts.

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Dune-8  
#865 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2020 10:20:16 AM(UTC)
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Who's still here from 2018?
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#866 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2020 10:22:22 AM(UTC)
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I am, still waiting for poly results and background To begin.
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I am.


It's still a long road ahead, I hope that the next part goes quicker for you than it has (and still is going) for me.

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NewSkillz  
#868 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2020 10:43:02 AM(UTC)
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Who's still here from 2018?


Supposed to be on the list for the next BFTC. We’ll see what happens with the class dates with the postponements.
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WaitingIsTheHardestPart  
#869 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2020 11:03:00 AM(UTC)
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Still here from 2018! Been in BI since July 2019 😥
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#870 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2020 11:09:19 AM(UTC)
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I am. I was slated for the 5/10 class, but now its TBD.
CriminalIA  
#871 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2020 11:37:16 AM(UTC)
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Who's still here from 2018?


I am.

My BI began in December. I talked to 2 different investigators in December and yet another in January. Haven't heard a peep from anyone since, but I did receive the active e-mail on schedule about 2 weeks ago.
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IAdreamin  
#872 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2020 12:50:05 PM(UTC)
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I am, still waiting for poly results and background To begin.


You probably won't get poly results unless you fail. I didn't get any results, but I know my previous employer, current employer, University staff/professors, and my friends have all been contacted.

It was a bit surprising because I thought I bombed the poly. I wasn't outright called a liar like someone else here, but the polygrapher said I had "red flags". As far as poly results, I'd say no news is good news. You may already be in background and just not know it.
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#873 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2020 7:25:04 PM(UTC)
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Also still here. So I guess they've canceled the May and possibly the July classes?
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CriminalIA  
#874 Posted : Tuesday, March 31, 2020 2:53:47 AM(UTC)
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Also still here. So I guess they've canceled the May and possibly the July classes?


Students that were in class were sent home, and the May class was cancelled. Not sure about July, though. At least that is my understanding - take a look at the last page on the SA 2020 thread for chatter on that.

Edited by user Tuesday, March 31, 2020 4:26:29 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Punctuation

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Detroit18  
#875 Posted : Tuesday, March 31, 2020 4:09:24 PM(UTC)
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Who's still here from 2018?


I am. I am in the same boat as Gk2018, waiting on polygraph results and BI.
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Just applied again for the 2nd time failed the phase 2 writing test in 1yr. Ago so hopefully i pass this time
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