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Intranetusa  
#1 Posted : Monday, September 17, 2018 10:05:15 AM(UTC)
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I'm thinking of trying to get in the door as an 1102 in Federal agencies (FDA/DHHS, DOD, etc). I have a few years of contract specialist experience in the private sector (dealing mostly with commercial and state govt contracts) and over 100 credits in business and law (combination of classes from my bachelors degree and JD degree).

I'm hoping to get in as a GS12 or I would have to basically take a large paycut. Would this be unrealistic? If I want to get into the govt from the private sector, do I have to take a large paycut to get a foot in the door?

Furthermore, if I'm trying to get a foot in the door as an 1102, would getting certifications from private associations help? (eg. NCMA certifications such as the CFCM (Certified Federal Contract Manager). CCCM, CPCM, etc? Or do federal agencies only care about their own government certifications?

Thanks!

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#2 Posted : Monday, September 17, 2018 11:03:16 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Intranetusa Go to Quoted Post
I'm thinking of trying to get in the door as an 1102 in Federal agencies (FDA/DHHS, DOD, etc). I have a few years of contract specialist experience in the private sector (dealing mostly with commercial and state govt contracts) and over 100 credits in business and law (combination of classes from my bachelors degree and JD degree).

I'm hoping to get in as a GS12 or I would have to basically take a large paycut. Would this be unrealistic? If I want to get into the govt from the private sector, do I have to take a large paycut to get a foot in the door?

Furthermore, if I'm trying to get a foot in the door as an 1102, would getting certifications from private associations help? (eg. NCMA certifications such as the CFCM (Certified Federal Contract Manager). CCCM, CPCM, etc? Or do federal agencies only care about their own government certifications?

Thanks!
It is possible to come in as a GS-12...but the probability is low depending on your actual experience. Worked on Federal contracts while at Lockheed and so are very familiar with the FAR? Maybe. GS-12 is journeyman level...as in can do the job with little to no guidance. Consider GS-11 positions as well and see if they will start you on a higher step so you don't lose as much starting out.

You should have voted Cthulu...the greatest of all Evils
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#3 Posted : Monday, September 17, 2018 11:21:53 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Intranetusa Go to Quoted Post
I'm thinking of trying to get in the door as an 1102 in Federal agencies (FDA/DHHS, DOD, etc). I have a few years of contract specialist experience in the private sector (dealing mostly with commercial and state govt contracts) and over 100 credits in business and law (combination of classes from my bachelors degree and JD degree).

I'm hoping to get in as a GS12 or I would have to basically take a large paycut. Would this be unrealistic? If I want to get into the govt from the private sector, do I have to take a large paycut to get a foot in the door?

Furthermore, if I'm trying to get a foot in the door as an 1102, would getting certifications from private associations help? (eg. NCMA certifications such as the CFCM (Certified Federal Contract Manager). CCCM, CPCM, etc? Or do federal agencies only care about their own government certifications?

Thanks!
It is possible to come in as a GS-12...but the probability is low depending on your actual experience. Worked on Federal contracts while at Lockheed and so are very familiar with the FAR? Maybe. GS-12 is journeyman level...as in can do the job with little to no guidance. Consider GS-11 positions as well and see if they will start you on a higher step so you don't lose as much starting out.


Thank you for the advice. I will look into GS11 with a higher step level. Do you think NCMA certifications such as the CFCM would significantly help in the application process?

Also, good to see you're still here Frank. Not sure if you remember, but you offered me some advice on my resume a few years ago. Thanks again!
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:06:27 AM(UTC)
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I'm thinking of trying to get in the door as an 1102 in Federal agencies (FDA/DHHS, DOD, etc). I have a few years of contract specialist experience in the private sector (dealing mostly with commercial and state govt contracts) and over 100 credits in business and law (combination of classes from my bachelors degree and JD degree).

I'm hoping to get in as a GS12 or I would have to basically take a large paycut. Would this be unrealistic? If I want to get into the govt from the private sector, do I have to take a large paycut to get a foot in the door?

Furthermore, if I'm trying to get a foot in the door as an 1102, would getting certifications from private associations help? (eg. NCMA certifications such as the CFCM (Certified Federal Contract Manager). CCCM, CPCM, etc? Or do federal agencies only care about their own government certifications?

Thanks!
It is possible to come in as a GS-12...but the probability is low depending on your actual experience. Worked on Federal contracts while at Lockheed and so are very familiar with the FAR? Maybe. GS-12 is journeyman level...as in can do the job with little to no guidance. Consider GS-11 positions as well and see if they will start you on a higher step so you don't lose as much starting out.


Thank you for the advice. I will look into GS11 with a higher step level. Do you think NCMA certifications such as the CFCM would significantly help in the application process?

Also, good to see you're still here Frank. Not sure if you remember, but you offered me some advice on my resume a few years ago. Thanks again!
No problem...always like to help!
As for certs...they only help in that they show you can learn, but DAWIA and FAC-C are federal certs only available to fed employees. And that is what you need. Understanding the FAR (Fed Acquisitions Regulation) is like going to law school in a new language while learning that whole new language (while juggling chainsaws and hand-grenades!).



You should have voted Cthulu...the greatest of all Evils
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, September 18, 2018 6:15:06 AM(UTC)
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No problem...always like to help!
As for certs...they only help in that they show you can learn, but DAWIA and FAC-C are federal certs only available to fed employees. And that is what you need. Understanding the FAR (Fed Acquisitions Regulation) is like going to law school in a new language while learning that whole new language (while juggling chainsaws and hand-grenades!).

Gotcha. Thank you.

NCMA's Federal Contract Manager Certificate for the FAR will cost me about 500 bucks (test and membership) and studyguides another few hundred. I guess I'll hold off on it for now until I can gauge whether I'll need it or not for that extra push to get in.

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