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Whatevershe  
#161 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2019 8:28:38 AM(UTC)
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I have bills to pay. We should be able to borrow from TSP during a shutdown, with no penalty. My 2 cents
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#162 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2019 8:51:57 AM(UTC)
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Looks like the Democrats will be passing funding bills for individual agencies, starting with IRS. There will be a lot of pressure to sign that. Delaying tax refunds has big consequences.
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Looks like the Democrats will be passing funding bills for individual agencies, starting with IRS. There will be a lot of pressure to sign that. Delaying tax refunds has big consequences.


Say that they do that and then it passes the Senate (which it won't) or if the Senate does pass it and it goes to the Presidents desk to sign (which he won't) Say all of that does happen and they open the IRS, we may go back to work, but we still won't get paid. They are not going to pay certain civilian government workers, and not others. At least I don't think they will be allowed to pay us.

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#164 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2019 9:17:52 AM(UTC)
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Looks like the Democrats will be passing funding bills for individual agencies, starting with IRS. There will be a lot of pressure to sign that. Delaying tax refunds has big consequences.


Say that they do that and then it passes the Senate (which it won't) or if the Senate does pass it and it goes to the Presidents desk to sign (which he won't) Say all of that does happen and they open the IRS, we may go back to work, but we still won't get paid. They are not going to pay certain civilian government workers, and not others. At least I don't think they will be allowed to pay us.


You will get paid once your agency is funded, just like all the other currently funded agencies. But you are right that the Republicans probably will not allow individual bills. In fact, the Republicans tried to do the exact same thing in the 2013 shutdown. The Dems shot them all down.
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#165 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2019 9:49:04 AM(UTC)
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Looks like the Democrats will be passing funding bills for individual agencies, starting with IRS. There will be a lot of pressure to sign that. Delaying tax refunds has big consequences.


Say that they do that and then it passes the Senate (which it won't) or if the Senate does pass it and it goes to the Presidents desk to sign (which he won't) Say all of that does happen and they open the IRS, we may go back to work, but we still won't get paid. They are not going to pay certain civilian government workers, and not others. At least I don't think they will be allowed to pay us.


You will get paid once your agency is funded, just like all the other currently funded agencies. But you are right that the Republicans probably will not allow individual bills. In fact, the Republicans tried to do the exact same thing in the 2013 shutdown. The Dems shot them all down.


Current Senate Program:

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Tuesday, Jan 08, 2019
3:00 p.m.: Convene and resume consideration of the motion to proceed to S.1, the Strengthening America’s Security in the Middle East Act.


I wouldn't hold my breath. The House doesn't have any votes until late Tuesday according to their Majority Leader's calendar either. Delaying/Impacting "REFUND SEASON!!!!1111!!!!11!ELEVENTY!!!" is tremendous leverage that I don't see POTUS giving up. My television viewing, such that it is, is so much calmer this year at this time of the year because the blockheads and the rest aren't running ads promoting their services nearly as often as normal.

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#166 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2019 9:52:47 AM(UTC)
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Looks like the Democrats will be passing funding bills for individual agencies, starting with IRS. There will be a lot of pressure to sign that. Delaying tax refunds has big consequences.


Say that they do that and then it passes the Senate (which it won't) or if the Senate does pass it and it goes to the Presidents desk to sign (which he won't) Say all of that does happen and they open the IRS, we may go back to work, but we still won't get paid. They are not going to pay certain civilian government workers, and not others. At least I don't think they will be allowed to pay us.


You will get paid once your agency is funded, just like all the other currently funded agencies. But you are right that the Republicans probably will not allow individual bills. In fact, the Republicans tried to do the exact same thing in the 2013 shutdown. The Dems shot them all down.


This is just nuts! Congress IS NOT doing their job and they are getting paid. From my perspective, they're not even trying. Congress DOES NOT require the President's signature to pass a bill. Yes it is easier if the President does sign, but there are provisions in the Constitution for veto overrides.
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#167 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2019 9:59:56 AM(UTC)
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Looks like the Democrats will be passing funding bills for individual agencies, starting with IRS. There will be a lot of pressure to sign that. Delaying tax refunds has big consequences.


Say that they do that and then it passes the Senate (which it won't) or if the Senate does pass it and it goes to the Presidents desk to sign (which he won't) Say all of that does happen and they open the IRS, we may go back to work, but we still won't get paid. They are not going to pay certain civilian government workers, and not others. At least I don't think they will be allowed to pay us.


You will get paid once your agency is funded, just like all the other currently funded agencies. But you are right that the Republicans probably will not allow individual bills. In fact, the Republicans tried to do the exact same thing in the 2013 shutdown. The Dems shot them all down.


This is just nuts! Congress IS NOT doing their job and they are getting paid. From my perspective, they're not even trying. Congress DOES NOT require the President's signature to pass a bill. Yes it is easier if the President does sign, but there are provisions in the Constitution for veto overrides.


You have to be able to rustle up a two-thirds majority in both chambers for that. Speaker Pelosi has a majority in the House but not two-thirds. Majority Leader McConnell has a majority in the Senate but not two-thirds. Unless everybody joins hands and works together between the parties in both the House and the Senate with two-thirds voting to override in each chamber, no veto override is possible.

The House reflects the spirit and passion of the country. Right now the country is split pretty finely to where the band-aids have been ripped off a few too many tensions and festering angers. The Senate shows that the states are divided too. We're not in a kumbaya moment.
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#168 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2019 10:17:10 AM(UTC)
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I wouldn't hold my breath. The House doesn't have any votes until late Tuesday according to their Majority Leader's calendar either. Delaying/Impacting "REFUND SEASON!!!!1111!!!!11!ELEVENTY!!!" is tremendous leverage that I don't see POTUS giving up. My television viewing, such that it is, is so much calmer this year at this time of the year because the blockheads and the rest aren't running ads promoting their services nearly as often as normal.


It's not just EITC filers. Many middle class filers expect these refunds for financial planning (stupid, but it's common). The 2013 shutdown was in October so there wasn't this kind of pressure then.
If only 1 agency is funded before a deal is struck it is likely to be IRS. I hope the IRS makes it clear no refunds until funding.
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#169 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2019 10:19:24 AM(UTC)
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Looks like the Democrats will be passing funding bills for individual agencies, starting with IRS. There will be a lot of pressure to sign that. Delaying tax refunds has big consequences.


Say that they do that and then it passes the Senate (which it won't) or if the Senate does pass it and it goes to the Presidents desk to sign (which he won't) Say all of that does happen and they open the IRS, we may go back to work, but we still won't get paid. They are not going to pay certain civilian government workers, and not others. At least I don't think they will be allowed to pay us.


You will get paid once your agency is funded, just like all the other currently funded agencies. But you are right that the Republicans probably will not allow individual bills. In fact, the Republicans tried to do the exact same thing in the 2013 shutdown. The Dems shot them all down.


This is just nuts! Congress IS NOT doing their job and they are getting paid. From my perspective, they're not even trying. Congress DOES NOT require the President's signature to pass a bill. Yes it is easier if the President does sign, but there are provisions in the Constitution for veto overrides.


You have to be able to rustle up a two-thirds majority in both chambers for that. Speaker Pelosi has a majority in the House but not two-thirds. Majority Leader McConnell has a majority in the Senate but not two-thirds. Unless everybody joins hands and works together between the parties in both the House and the Senate with two-thirds voting to override in each chamber, no veto override is possible.

The House reflects the spirit and passion of the country. Right now the country is split pretty finely to where the band-aids have been ripped off a few too many tensions and festering angers. The Senate shows that the states are divided too. We're not in a kumbaya moment.


But that's my point. I've heard both senators and representatives in both parties say a shutdown isn't good for the country. But what are they doing to resolve the problem?

The House passed passed the appropriation bills that the Senate passed prior to the shutdown, but McConnell will not bring them back to the floor for a vote, why? Because the President will not sign them, not that they won't pass the Senate.
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#170 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2019 10:32:36 AM(UTC)
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But that's my point. I've heard both senators and representatives in both parties say a shutdown isn't good for the country. But what are they doing to resolve the problem?

The House passed passed the appropriation bills that the Senate passed prior to the shutdown, but McConnell will not bring them back to the floor for a vote, why? Because the President will not sign them, not that they won't pass the Senate.


Because right now McConnell is on the same page as the president. The Democratic Senate did the same thing during the 2013 shutdown, shooting down piecemeal bills from the House without forcing Obama to veto.
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#171 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2019 11:02:53 AM(UTC)
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Looks like the Democrats will be passing funding bills for individual agencies, starting with IRS. There will be a lot of pressure to sign that. Delaying tax refunds has big consequences.


Say that they do that and then it passes the Senate (which it won't) or if the Senate does pass it and it goes to the Presidents desk to sign (which he won't) Say all of that does happen and they open the IRS, we may go back to work, but we still won't get paid. They are not going to pay certain civilian government workers, and not others. At least I don't think they will be allowed to pay us.


You will get paid once your agency is funded, just like all the other currently funded agencies. But you are right that the Republicans probably will not allow individual bills. In fact, the Republicans tried to do the exact same thing in the 2013 shutdown. The Dems shot them all down.


This is just nuts! Congress IS NOT doing their job and they are getting paid. From my perspective, they're not even trying. Congress DOES NOT require the President's signature to pass a bill. Yes it is easier if the President does sign, but there are provisions in the Constitution for veto overrides.


You have to be able to rustle up a two-thirds majority in both chambers for that. Speaker Pelosi has a majority in the House but not two-thirds. Majority Leader McConnell has a majority in the Senate but not two-thirds. Unless everybody joins hands and works together between the parties in both the House and the Senate with two-thirds voting to override in each chamber, no veto override is possible.

The House reflects the spirit and passion of the country. Right now the country is split pretty finely to where the band-aids have been ripped off a few too many tensions and festering angers. The Senate shows that the states are divided too. We're not in a kumbaya moment.



You are right. Even if both houses pass this Pelosi "power play" show, Trump isn't about to sign it, and there isn't a snowballs chance in hell that there are enough votes to override his veto.

Meanwhile, we in AM should be receiving another report to work call sometime this week, (this time for real) to show up and work without pay shortly. There goes any possibility of unemployment or getting a temporary job, unless you want to or are willing to more than 40 hours a week.

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#172 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2019 11:16:51 AM(UTC)
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What they SHOULD do is for one during any shutdown members of congress and their staff and then the President and his people should be the LAST PEOPLE to be paid! THE LAST!

Next anyone working without PAY should be paid interest. I never went through this before, so I gather that's not happening. Now me I'm off and cool with that. But to have to go in and work for a period of weeks maybe on my dime....no way! But I guess I would.

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Looks like the Democrats will be passing funding bills for individual agencies, starting with IRS. There will be a lot of pressure to sign that. Delaying tax refunds has big consequences.


Say that they do that and then it passes the Senate (which it won't) or if the Senate does pass it and it goes to the Presidents desk to sign (which he won't) Say all of that does happen and they open the IRS, we may go back to work, but we still won't get paid. They are not going to pay certain civilian government workers, and not others. At least I don't think they will be allowed to pay us.


You will get paid once your agency is funded, just like all the other currently funded agencies. But you are right that the Republicans probably will not allow individual bills. In fact, the Republicans tried to do the exact same thing in the 2013 shutdown. The Dems shot them all down.


This is just nuts! Congress IS NOT doing their job and they are getting paid. From my perspective, they're not even trying. Congress DOES NOT require the President's signature to pass a bill. Yes it is easier if the President does sign, but there are provisions in the Constitution for veto overrides.


You have to be able to rustle up a two-thirds majority in both chambers for that. Speaker Pelosi has a majority in the House but not two-thirds. Majority Leader McConnell has a majority in the Senate but not two-thirds. Unless everybody joins hands and works together between the parties in both the House and the Senate with two-thirds voting to override in each chamber, no veto override is possible.

The House reflects the spirit and passion of the country. Right now the country is split pretty finely to where the band-aids have been ripped off a few too many tensions and festering angers. The Senate shows that the states are divided too. We're not in a kumbaya moment.



You are right. Even if both houses pass this Pelosi "power play" show, Trump isn't about to sign it, and there isn't a snowballs chance in hell that there are enough votes to override his veto.

Meanwhile, we in AM should be receiving another report to work call sometime this week, (this time for real) to show up and work without pay shortly. There goes any possibility of unemployment or getting a temporary job, unless you want to or are willing to more than 40 hours a week.


Even if we get the call, there won't be any sense for 55/56, 182/184, 18/19, and a few of the others with separate numbers to be re-opened. FA & TAS will still be shuttered plus we won't be touching refund returns so no need for TPP. All we're allowed to do under current law & interpretation is baldue, procedural, and possibly tax law if it relates to securing a return. Even providing transcripts would become out of scope as we'd bump up against the no-faxing policy change. Leaving a message up on the specialties saying that they're still not being worked would be better than having people sit there & get abused. We're going to get plenty of abuse plus Frivolous Arguments.

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#174 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2019 12:06:41 PM(UTC)
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LT's right, not much for us to do during a shutdown. Don't think a start date has been announced yet, so there wouldn't be any 2018 returns to process right now. And what would the night shift do after phone time?
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How are the state revenue departments handling this since they too need to open for state return filing?

My state is hiring for their revenue department.

A tax service in my area opened for business and are going to be offering refund anticipation loans.

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#176 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2019 1:43:16 PM(UTC)
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Looks like the Democrats will be passing funding bills for individual agencies, starting with IRS. There will be a lot of pressure to sign that. Delaying tax refunds has big consequences.


Say that they do that and then it passes the Senate (which it won't) or if the Senate does pass it and it goes to the Presidents desk to sign (which he won't) Say all of that does happen and they open the IRS, we may go back to work, but we still won't get paid. They are not going to pay certain civilian government workers, and not others. At least I don't think they will be allowed to pay us.


You will get paid once your agency is funded, just like all the other currently funded agencies. But you are right that the Republicans probably will not allow individual bills. In fact, the Republicans tried to do the exact same thing in the 2013 shutdown. The Dems shot them all down.


This is just nuts! Congress IS NOT doing their job and they are getting paid. From my perspective, they're not even trying. Congress DOES NOT require the President's signature to pass a bill. Yes it is easier if the President does sign, but there are provisions in the Constitution for veto overrides.


You have to be able to rustle up a two-thirds majority in both chambers for that. Speaker Pelosi has a majority in the House but not two-thirds. Majority Leader McConnell has a majority in the Senate but not two-thirds. Unless everybody joins hands and works together between the parties in both the House and the Senate with two-thirds voting to override in each chamber, no veto override is possible.

The House reflects the spirit and passion of the country. Right now the country is split pretty finely to where the band-aids have been ripped off a few too many tensions and festering angers. The Senate shows that the states are divided too. We're not in a kumbaya moment.



You are right. Even if both houses pass this Pelosi "power play" show, Trump isn't about to sign it, and there isn't a snowballs chance in hell that there are enough votes to override his veto.

Meanwhile, we in AM should be receiving another report to work call sometime this week, (this time for real) to show up and work without pay shortly. There goes any possibility of unemployment or getting a temporary job, unless you want to or are willing to more than 40 hours a week.


Even if we get the call, there won't be any sense for 55/56, 182/184, 18/19, and a few of the others with separate numbers to be re-opened. FA & TAS will still be shuttered plus we won't be touching refund returns so no need for TPP. All we're allowed to do under current law & interpretation is baldue, procedural, and possibly tax law if it relates to securing a return. Even providing transcripts would become out of scope as we'd bump up against the no-faxing policy change. Leaving a message up on the specialties saying that they're still not being worked would be better than having people sit there & get abused. We're going to get plenty of abuse plus Frivolous Arguments.



They still would have us answer the phones. App 20, App 10 with limited info being dispersed. Answering the expected tax law questions will be futile, since many of us were supposed to be receiving the training right now.
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LT's right, not much for us to do during a shutdown. Don't think a start date has been announced yet, so there wouldn't be any 2018 returns to process right now. And what would the night shift do after phone time?


Same thing that will happen to the day people that come in at 6 AM in the east as far as phone lines not being in operation at that hour. They will have you sit and work on your favorites or do something to bide your time. I also wouldn't put it past them to extend the phone hours of operations on the front and back end. The NTEU would probably roll over on it.

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LT's right, not much for us to do during a shutdown. Don't think a start date has been announced yet, so there wouldn't be any 2018 returns to process right now. And what would the night shift do after phone time?


Same thing that will happen to the day people that come in at 6 AM in the east as far as phone lines not being in operation at that hour. They will have you sit and work on your favorites or do something to bide your time. I also wouldn't put it past them to extend the phone hours of operations on the front and back end. The NTEU would probably roll over on it.



TSA people had their shifts changed involuntarily on grounds of exigent circumstances. That was a reported ground for their "blue flu". I'm expecting anything as possible.
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LT's right, not much for us to do during a shutdown. Don't think a start date has been announced yet, so there wouldn't be any 2018 returns to process right now. And what would the night shift do after phone time?


Same thing that will happen to the day people that come in at 6 AM in the east as far as phone lines not being in operation at that hour. They will have you sit and work on your favorites or do something to bide your time. I also wouldn't put it past them to extend the phone hours of operations on the front and back end. The NTEU would probably roll over on it.



TSA people had their shifts changed involuntarily on grounds of exigent circumstances. That was a reported ground for their "blue flu". I'm expecting anything as possible.


Yep That could be a possibility also.

Reminder to ALL. If and when we get declared essential, all pre-approved leave is kaput. Any sick leave is literally not permitted. Wonder what ramifications these TSA's may face for their unscheduled absences?

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I just find it incredibly ironic that despite all the talk about how the shutdown is because of border security, it's the border security peeps that aren't getting paid.

Sooner or later your own financial well being will take priority over this wall debacle regardless of what your position is on it.
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